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General Discussion / Re: My God there is some crap going on here.
« on: November 01, 2006, 11:32:06 PM »
Hi Guy
Did it never occur to you that the shut down delay on start-o-matic sets after no load wasn't in case farmer turned another light on, but to equalise the temps inside the engine before shutting down?
Here again you show your ignorance. What delay on shut down. You disconnect load and the fuel control solonoid releases under spring pressure closes the rack and inserts the decompressor. The set takes about 1 min to run down and is left in a decompressed postion ready to start next time. Is this enough time to equalise the temperature in the engine? A pure figment of your imagination there is no shut down delay.
start-o-matics are rarer than rocking horse shit stateside, you may have noticed that is why everyone is buying chinese heads to go on their listerOIDS
there are also some pretty smart people in these forums who can read the s-o-m schematics and cobble together an electronic equivalent for less than it would cost to buy and ship over a set of s-o-m mechanical control boxes, and get a more electrically efficient system out of it to boot
You miss the point again. I dont suggest that people buy startomatic boxes from here to convert thier listeroids. What I said was if you are buying a startomatic in the UK make sure you get it with all the bits. Whats wrong with that? Ask Andy what he would prefer.
US purchasers of UK startomatics want to get the best bit of kit they can. Why would they buy a lister in the UK and then cobble together a modern equivalent, when they could get one with all the correct original bits If they ask the correct questions.
Also what point is there in having a more electrically efficient startomatic system. Its a generator and the original system only takes about 10 watts to operate it. Why bother about better efficiency its only 10 watts on a 2500 + watt generator who cares.
I you had a clue you would realise that the rare thing to happen with s-o-m sets is to put two side by side and find them to be identical...... andy on here bought one, different alternator to mine, no control boxes but different alternator ergo different boxes, my mate bought one, another different alternator and another set of different boxes, binnie has just bought one, yet another different alternator and different set of control boxes, thats four bought this year I know of, and no two the same.
I was talking about your bullshit control box not other peoples. But if you want to go there.
Andys generator a 1954 somac with a type N alternator no top box or startomatic box
Binnies generator is a October 1940 war time generator and a lot earlier design
Your Mates I cannot coment on You give no details year, alternator type,or power output 2.5kw 3.0kw or 4.5kw?
My first 2.5 kw SOMAC 1951 with a type K alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
My second 2.5 kw SOMAC 1956 with a type N alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
Your generator is a 1956 SOMAC with a type N alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
Andys alternator IS a N type the same as yours. My second SOMAC same year as yours same N type alternator all of these machines are of a similar age and operate on the same control gear.
My 1956 2.5kw startomatic box has got the same internal componants as the pictures in the 1952 startomatic manual which you offered to this group also the 1951 unit has got the startomatic box with the same componants. Yours look nothing like mine or the ones in your manual or any of the other same style cast ali boxes that Ive had the pleasure examining. Please post pictures of the inside of your control cubical again I noticed they wernt there when I went for a look. Binnies generator was produced in 1940 during the war the control gear on his set is of an older design and not really relavent to this type of cast ali box.
In 1958 lister introduced the 8/1 engined 4.5kw startomatic and the 6/1 engined 3kw startomatic Both these machines use the steel control cubical and this is the same one that was used untill the end of production.
More soon Mick
Did it never occur to you that the shut down delay on start-o-matic sets after no load wasn't in case farmer turned another light on, but to equalise the temps inside the engine before shutting down?
Here again you show your ignorance. What delay on shut down. You disconnect load and the fuel control solonoid releases under spring pressure closes the rack and inserts the decompressor. The set takes about 1 min to run down and is left in a decompressed postion ready to start next time. Is this enough time to equalise the temperature in the engine? A pure figment of your imagination there is no shut down delay.
start-o-matics are rarer than rocking horse shit stateside, you may have noticed that is why everyone is buying chinese heads to go on their listerOIDS
there are also some pretty smart people in these forums who can read the s-o-m schematics and cobble together an electronic equivalent for less than it would cost to buy and ship over a set of s-o-m mechanical control boxes, and get a more electrically efficient system out of it to boot
You miss the point again. I dont suggest that people buy startomatic boxes from here to convert thier listeroids. What I said was if you are buying a startomatic in the UK make sure you get it with all the bits. Whats wrong with that? Ask Andy what he would prefer.
US purchasers of UK startomatics want to get the best bit of kit they can. Why would they buy a lister in the UK and then cobble together a modern equivalent, when they could get one with all the correct original bits If they ask the correct questions.
Also what point is there in having a more electrically efficient startomatic system. Its a generator and the original system only takes about 10 watts to operate it. Why bother about better efficiency its only 10 watts on a 2500 + watt generator who cares.
I you had a clue you would realise that the rare thing to happen with s-o-m sets is to put two side by side and find them to be identical...... andy on here bought one, different alternator to mine, no control boxes but different alternator ergo different boxes, my mate bought one, another different alternator and another set of different boxes, binnie has just bought one, yet another different alternator and different set of control boxes, thats four bought this year I know of, and no two the same.
I was talking about your bullshit control box not other peoples. But if you want to go there.
Andys generator a 1954 somac with a type N alternator no top box or startomatic box
Binnies generator is a October 1940 war time generator and a lot earlier design
Your Mates I cannot coment on You give no details year, alternator type,or power output 2.5kw 3.0kw or 4.5kw?
My first 2.5 kw SOMAC 1951 with a type K alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
My second 2.5 kw SOMAC 1956 with a type N alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
Your generator is a 1956 SOMAC with a type N alternator plus cast aluminium startomatic box
Andys alternator IS a N type the same as yours. My second SOMAC same year as yours same N type alternator all of these machines are of a similar age and operate on the same control gear.
My 1956 2.5kw startomatic box has got the same internal componants as the pictures in the 1952 startomatic manual which you offered to this group also the 1951 unit has got the startomatic box with the same componants. Yours look nothing like mine or the ones in your manual or any of the other same style cast ali boxes that Ive had the pleasure examining. Please post pictures of the inside of your control cubical again I noticed they wernt there when I went for a look. Binnies generator was produced in 1940 during the war the control gear on his set is of an older design and not really relavent to this type of cast ali box.
In 1958 lister introduced the 8/1 engined 4.5kw startomatic and the 6/1 engined 3kw startomatic Both these machines use the steel control cubical and this is the same one that was used untill the end of production.
More soon Mick