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Listeroid Engines / Re: 12/2 cooling system, round 2
« on: August 04, 2007, 08:11:09 PM »
Photos have been posted on coppermine.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 12/2 cooling system, round 2
« on: August 04, 2007, 06:59:09 PM »
Jens,

This is a big flat plate heatx, 24" x 9 1/2" x 8 1/2", 2 1/2 ports reduced to 1 1/4", 76 plates, plate area of 114 sq ft, weight - 114 lbs. I wouldn't attempt this on a garden variaty heatx. I be sure to post pictures on coppermine, today or tomorrow.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 12/2 cooling system, round 2
« on: August 04, 2007, 01:18:54 PM »
Just a follow-up update of my coolant system upgrade. First, I deviated from my original plan. I discarded the idea of using a large water tank. The system is now configured as follows. From the engine, I'm thermosyphoning to a big flat plate heat exchanger. Total coolant capacity in primary loop is about 6 gals, 5gal in engine and heatx, 1 gal in reservior tank. The secondary loop counterflows with primary, and consists of a taco pump, and 3 valve selectable branches. One branch feeds a water- air heatx, which exhausts the heated air into a soon to be work shop, is now a storage area for wvo. On the hottest day so far (93 deg. F ambient, 108 deg. F room temp), load 75% capacity, this loop was able to maintain outlet coolant temp to no higher then 204 deg. F, with secondary loop outflow from heatex at around 175 deg. F. When this loop is not selected I can optionally keep the fan running, to exhaust hot air from the room. As originally planned, the second branch of the secondary loop, feeds a 30+ feet, 3/4" copper tubing coil submerged in my 24 ft round, 54" deep pool. Pool is 14' from the wall of my engine room. Closed cell form insulated PEX, trenched in 2ft, connects the coil to the engine room plumbing. Water temps in this branch so far, have not exceed 140 deg. on a hot day, and primary coolant exits engine temp varies between 192 & 202 deg. F, as t-stat cycles. So far, I have not connected third branch too house hot water baseboard string. Plan on installing overtemp fuel cutoff switch this week, which I feel is absolutely needed due to coolant system configuration.

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I use a 50/50 mix of coolant and water with 195 deg t-stats. Never thought of going higher then that.

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Acetone, if it works, is alot easier then anything I've been contemplating. I'm going to definitely research this further. If it looks promising, I'll try it.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Oil is all around
« on: August 01, 2007, 02:12:40 PM »
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I still have o-ring washers under valve seats.

Correction, I meant valve decompressors.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Oil is all around
« on: August 01, 2007, 02:10:20 PM »
My twin leaked oil alot at first, especially around valve decompressors. I later found that my crankcase breather was painted shut. It Leaks alot less now. I still have o-ring washers under valve seats.

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My 12/2 in summer months, runs 5 - 7 hour per day. Load during 2/3 - 3/4 of its run is typically between 75 and 80% (42 - 45 amps, 115 vac). During last 1/3 (battery charge tapering), load reducers, although I do add on other loads such as pool pump, wash machine, and dishwasher, to reduce this taper. I rarely ever allow its load to reduce below 40%. Regarding spray pattern, I'm heatiing fuel to 225 deg. F to reduce viscosity to close to diesel. Regarding engine compression, previous to last decoking, I definitely felt compression was too low. During first 600 hour of service, head clearance was at .068", which I reduced from .080" (I don't know what they were measuring at the factory). At the time of last decoking, I further reduced clearance to .055 - .056". I never actually measured the compression with a volumemetric measurement, but I can say after this reduction in clearance, compression felt much higher. Cylinder exhaust temps are within 20 deg. F at 80% load. I have yet been able to get them any closer. I must say, since I lowered clearance, it seems to be running much cleaner. Fuel consumption is lower now. Overall, it is running much better. Also noticed valve adjustment is now holding steady so far, without need to readjust. Before it required valve clearance to be readjusted more then seemed reasonable. I suspect this was due to continuing buildup on the valve seats. It is now about 150 hours running since I decoke, it still seem to be running very good, but I'm starting to "sense" a slight change in sound (not mechanical). Maybe I'm crazy, or just listening to it too often. I don't know. What decoking interval is everyone else adapting, and what fuel are you using.

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Listeroid Engines / Water/ propane injection of wvo fueled listeroids
« on: July 31, 2007, 10:21:30 PM »
Since decarbonizing my 12/2, I've been giving some thought into additional ways I could be minimizing carbon buildup, as part of a routine operating procedure. At this point, I think I'm doing about all I can to minimize buildup without doing something completely different.  I'm starting and stopping on diesel, have well heated fuel lines, and running wvo only when up to t-stat temp(195 deg. F). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm starting to get an inkling, that running wvo, will over time, substantailly add to my maintenance effort,  if I want to maintain it at peek operating efficiency.  I'm starting to think that implementation of an on-demand propane or water injection system, might be a reasonable course to pursue, if I want to reduce the need for decarbonization, and keep the listeroid running longer near its peak efficiency, between decarbonizations. Does anyone here have experience with either of these? Have search here and elsewhere. I do find how it relates to performance, but not allot of qualitative data about controlling carbon buildup. Also, what's everyone's experience with decarbonization requirement for listeroids running on diesel or bio-diesel.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Do we really need all that paint?
« on: July 05, 2007, 12:39:56 PM »
In addition to excess paint globbing up governor linkage and ip shaft ends, check the crankcase breather. I spent alot of time trying to completely seal oil leaks, then finally discovered the crankcase breather element was completely painted closed. This was one of the only parts I didn't disassemble and inspect. I would suggest inspecting "everything."

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Injector removal
« on: June 26, 2007, 11:22:37 AM »
Yup, it was just stuck. Compression and a little persuasion, freed it up. Not too bad as far as carbon. Spray seems fine. Stayed away from orfice.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Injector removal
« on: June 25, 2007, 08:35:32 PM »
Stan - Thanks, I'll give that a try.

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Listeroid Engines / Injector removal
« on: June 25, 2007, 06:40:47 PM »
On my twin, when I removed the injector hold down blocks to use my valve spring compresser, I notice the injector felt loose on one of the heads. To tighten, I turned cw, but the injector supply tube ran out of clearance in the head cutout. First, Am I correct in thinking this is a pipe thread connection. Since I wanted to check injectors for carbon buildup and spray anyway. Are the removal steps as follows? 1. Remove hold down nuts and block. 2. Unscrew ccw and remove injector supply tube. 3. Unscrew injector ccw and remove. Someone, please verify, or describe correct removal procedure.  It seems apparant, but just wanted to make sure.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 12/2 cooling system, round 2
« on: June 19, 2007, 12:15:15 AM »
Spike - Your right, I had a brain laps. Chalk it up as second guessing myself. Just want to do this once, and get off and running again. I've had this thing idle for too long now.

Finished checking everything out and will reassemble engine tonight. Overall, I have no complaints with what I saw. After 600 hours, the piston big end bearings look the same as they did when I first inspected them.  The rings measured almost no wear and completely free, with clean grooves. Did notice some polishing at very top of pistons.  The cylinders still have well defined crosshatching, no verticle lines, and a "slightly" more polished look, where the top and bottom rings change direction in the cylinder. The only thing I did note with the cylinders before cleaning, was a slight build up at the top of cylinders, making its way a quarter to half the distance to the first ring. This is most likely baked on wvo residue, and was a pain to remove. Probably responsible for the piston polishing noted above. The valves and seats did have some carbon buildup. The crankcase was free of any grit. And as mentioned earlier, oil looked very clean also. I think if I get cooled properly, and with the wvo properly heated now, it should be able to put up some good hours. I plan to pull head after another 500 hour or so to compare.

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I've installed a bypass type oil filter. I've got a twin, so the bulk the pump output volume still flows thru to the oil pipes to the crank shaft bearing. A small part of its volume is bypassed into a sub-micron filter, and returned thru the left side cam shaft oil plug.

Sorry, I can't help with the other questions.

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