Oh I couldn't help myself. Broken promises....
So, to sum up your post.
1/ serpentine belts are superior to vee belts because your mustang belt lasted three times as long as your toyota belt
lets start with point #1
in OUR applications the belt is always doing a constant speed, probably around 45 mph, a car belt can do 100 mph, and the speed is never constant, but always varying, as are the loads, your example is even worse, because you are comparing two different vehicles, and we know nothing about either, maintenance, set up, nothing
It's a perfect example, you just don't like it because it defeats your perspective and shows you're speaking from a posterior oriface not intended to be spoken from.
1) if it lasted so well in my Mustang, and countles other cars: how can the slow speed, wide radius pulleys, and constant RPM of a Listeroid do anyhting but improve?
2) V-belts are often an UPGRADE to equipment that uses v-belts. the reasons are well documented and so widely known that it is common knowledge. Their efficiency and durability is improved by the environment just mention in "1", but still do not surpass Serpentine belts. Period.
Anyone with eyes and ears can easily discover that this is a heavilly supported trend. It's such a blatant and established fact, there's no point in even talking about it. Serpentines are jsut better. Not leaps and bounds better, due to the improvement that a v-belt has in this application, but still better. Sure, v-belts have been around a long time, and serviced many an application....
I can Carpet Bomb, or I can Send a Cruise Missile. Both get the job done. One just has fewer negative side-effects.
V-Belts suck less in "this application." But the Serpentine is still better. If it is better in an environement we already know is much worse....... A 'nicer' environemnt can only improve this. It's not paples to Oranges. It's Good Apples to Bad Apples.
You don't need to know anything else about my car, or how I maintain it. you never asked for any such information when you condemned Serpentine Belts, and told me that Oil is bad for my engine, especially the Oil Pump... What would be the point in telling you about it? You deny the clearest logic available to you, so why should I bother presenting it?
2/ because you oil your tools all oil is good and protective
lets take point #2
in OUR applications the oil is a self contained recirculating lube system, so it not only lubes and cools, but also carries away combustion by products, metal wear particles, and of course crank case condensate, in ever increasing proportions until it gets changed, lister and listeroids do not operate on a total loss two stroke lubrication system, so yet again your example bears precisely zero relevance to the points in question here.
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If this is so terrible, why do we still use it? It is a perfect example of how you suggest the best tool for a job (oil for lubrication), which is widely known, is somehow a terrible idea. If Oil in my engine is so freakin' terrible, you must be suggesting that I not use it. Please, provide a superior alternative. Tell me why nothing better is widely used? Should I run my engines dry? Use Water instead? Please. It is entirely relevant. Again, you jsut don't like it becasue, for some inexplicable reason, proven fact just doesn't cut it for you.
The best known available solutions are just bad becasue the Original Design didn't have them? I think the Original Listers required Oil for lube. As for the serp, I've seen plenty of old equipment upgraded to a serpentine drive, specifically because it is longer lasting and more efficient. Experience proves it. Math proves it. Physics proves it. Millions of Practical applications in the field prove it. It's is an established fact beyond the reach of any opinion or argument.
Both your cars seat 4 adults, and probably average 30 mpg, so from this, according to your logic, a lister must also seat four adults and achieve 30 mpg
incidentally, both of your cars have lube oil pumps that are not immersed in the sump. but the camry was transverse OHC or DOHC depending on whch one you had, while the mustang was almost certainly an inline pushrod motor, so again even in your own examples you are comparing apples to oranges.
So, you say that a pump that has no oil in it, and is exposed to air, and air's humidity, will corrode less?
The Car's engines doesn't have pulleys? It doesn't use oil either? My God, what have I been doing all these years? Silly me, putting oil in my engine.... What are these belts attached to then? It's a perfect example. And, yet again, you simply don't like it.
You may as well stick you fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA" and call it a debate platform....
You pretend there are no associations betwen topics that are clearly related, and then make entirely pointless suggestions of your own. What should I be using instead of oil? Please tell me. Explain to me how a pump NOT submerged, sitting for a month, is going to suffer less from exposure to the elements, than one under 5 quarts of contaminated oil. Please, do tell.
None of your suppsoed "points" address the actual principals at hand. You'd do just as well to ride your lister as you would to keep telling me that Oil is bad for my engine, or that Serpentines are not better for this application, or virtually any other. Maybe you could use some of those bullet-proof V-Belts as tank treads and mount a barstool to it? I bet they make better dental floss than a Serpentine. Oh, you got me...
This isn't a matter of beating someone in an argument. It's not raising my blood pressure. or really even making me mad... If Guy wants to give himself headaches, that's all good and well for him. I would jsut hate to see someone take his advice about not putting oil in your engine to heart... V-Blet manufacturers love people who use V-Belts.... It gives them 3x the business. In an emergency or off-grid application, I'd rather have soemthing that I can counton, than soemthing I can replace. Why not just use some off-the-shelf 3600rpm gas generator then?
Blah blah blah.
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