SOOOOO Guy,
    Do you teach a  correspondence  course in working smart? I got the working hard part down pretty good now.

   " Always do the right thing,it will please some people,and amaze the rest" Mark Twain

   HEY GUYS,
   I,also would be interested in seeing any engines in that area. I will be in Damascus MD for the Thanksgiving holidays,so the west side of DC,Fredrick MD area as well

    Anybody got any idea how to remove part of the paint? I got a wisconsi ,I think,that someone painted ovet the manufacturer's plate. Some parts are missing,and I need to know modef,and serial,hp ect. How can I do this?

   Whitte , I saw one at "Rough'N Tumble" ,10 hp I think.,also 'Thermoil"

   Guy,
   Ain't Zambia a wonderful place?

   HEAR HEAR GUY!!!!!
   Probably the best post I've read here.
   It's unlikely that India is going to make significant improvements in engine quality,no matter what we do or say.Our only option is to do the best we can with what is available,ie bring the listeroids up to "Lister" specs-run them like they are,and take what we get,or find a different design altogwther.
   Stilllllll ,it would be nice to open a crate from india,and take out an engine with materials,fit ,and finish as good as the originals

   What are the manufacturers thinking about? They are building a product aimed at third world customers,with third world spendable incomes.   " Ahmed" gecides that he needs an engine to irrigate his fields,grind grain,or whatever. He takes two or three years income and buys an engine that because the idler gear shaft was put in wrong will only run 400 hrs. What happens then? Is it now junk?Where does he get parts,or better how does he pay for them ?
   Substitute casting sand,leaks,broken castings,or any of the maladies Listeroid owners have faced. Why would a manufacturer do this? Cheap made crap is cheap made crap,don't matter how much green paint you put on it. You can bet the farm,if Mr Ahmed bought an XYZ bramd engine,and it pukes it's guts,he's going to tell it downt at the bar- coffee shop,or whatever the local gathering spot is .These guys are supossedly howling costs,how much does bad publicity cost?
   This is a good design,or it wouldn't have lasted this long. One of these days,some one is going to start building "GOOD" engines again using Mr Lister's design,and they will sell. Period. Yes they will cost more up front,but when Mr Ahmed goes to his banker,bil,or local loanshark,wherever he gets his money ,that guy is going to want to know this lump of iron is going to have more than scrap value 1 year from now.
   Wonder who it will be,and when?