Quote from: glort on April 07, 2020, 12:37:49 AM

Quote from: Johndoh on April 06, 2020, 10:04:39 PM

 Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus.

That statement as well as the sentient behind it, is patently and demonstrably incorrect and ignorant.

MANY drugs have MULTIPLE uses and applications.  In the cited case of Lupus, Have a look at that it is treated with:

https://www.womenshealth.gov/lupus/lupus-diagnosis-and-treatment

One of them is the antimalarial drug you espouse is only for Malaria. Most of the others cited are demonstrated to be used for other things.
On the list, seems few or any of the treatments are actually specificaly for lupus, they are for other conditions and work with lupus as well.


 

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None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed.

How exactly do you expect that to happen in the time frame we have had the China flu sweeping the world? Testing takes time, Time a lot of people don't have.
As for the testing and approval of drugs, yeah.  I have been given shit, and that's' exactly what it was, shit, on multiple occasions for my ailments that fked me up 6 ways to Sunday and only made me worse than I started out.   One of them, had I taken the Correct dose and not 5 Times less than prescribed, WOULD have Killed me no 2 ways about it. Knocked the shit out of me  for days as it was. But it was tested and approved for the condition I had.
And NO, taking less was NOT the problem, taking less means I'm here upsetting you all now.

Believing in drug testing and that this makes them safe and effective is like believing the Main stream Media is truthful and honest.

If I get this china Virus,  I'm Fked. End of story.
Given that is the case from the outset, what's to loose if they do give me something that's not peer reviewed and the drug co hasn't had time to buy off medicos and get and approval pushed through so they can start making Billions out of it? I'll take my chances seeing I have none left anyway and maybe, just maybe, there is something in it that will help. Exactly what would I have to loose? 

Of course if it does pull me through there will be those that predictably carry on about it not being tested  and therefore I must have been going to get better on my own anyway.

In not being tested, it should also be remembered was well as not being proven to work, it's also not proven that it DOESN'T work so it's already in with a 50% chance of helping people.

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Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.

You really should Consider going for a walk and getting some Fresh air Paul.

No one is espousing Quackery of defying common sense or Physics.  All that is being suggested is that one drug may have benefits in treating  other conditions that there has been no time given the speed and severity of the emergency to test thoroughly. 
These are not new Drugs cooked up in a back shed ( although not tested and approved, no one is saying they don't work) they are long used medications that as above ARE used in a multiple treatments like so many other drugs out there.

In any case, what better way or time to test than right now?
At worst, they may do absoloutley Nothing at all but the patient believing they are helping might fight harder and have more motivation to pull Through.

I never underestimate the Human mind and what it can do well beyond explanation.  It can lead people to do things and achieve things there is no scientific explanation for. I have seen that with my own eyes with people that were given no chance but are Living very well now because they were Fked if they were going to die so they Didn't. I am Very good friends with a Young guy just like that.

OTOH, there are people that can believe in all sorts of Fairy tales and Bullshit and believe everything the Media they think is Infallible tells them and doomsday end of world Scenarios which they let totaly control their thoughts and position and turn them in zealots which they cherry pick facts to support there delusion.

How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions? Calling people ignorant because they don't follow "the world according to glort" says more than your long winded, badly punctuated and poorly informed diatribes ever could.