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Listeroid Engines / Re: crack in 6/1 head
« on: October 20, 2021, 10:48:42 PM »
Thanks for the replies,

 I went with the JB weld repair, the crack after further inspection runs from one side wall to the plug and continues, on the other side of the plug to the side wall. I used a small paint brush and cut the bristles back to make it stiff, then used it with brake cleaner and compressed air to scrub the cast iron clean. With the brush I was able to scrub the JB weld in and down the length of the crack. Head is running 190f-205f, JB weld is rated to 500f. The engine has been run for 8hrs under load so far and the repair is holding.

 This is not a ideal fix, but the crack running into the plug made the repair with welding look expensive to have a machine shop repair.








 


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Listeroid Engines / crack in 6/1 head
« on: October 19, 2021, 11:42:31 AM »
Hi all

 My new to me 6/1 has a crack in the head water jacket, not sure how to go about fixing this. It would be great if a bit of jb weld would stop the leak, but my thought are to take the head to a machine shop and see what can be done.

Any thoughts..thanks

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Need help with generator head
« on: September 08, 2021, 09:24:31 PM »

 Was able to get 22vac at 600rpm with applying 22vdc to the two small wires going to the exciter. Applied 12dc to two of the larger wire, the motor rocked an inch then locked, i'm guessing  dc needs to be fed to the exciter at the same time as the large wires to get the generator to act as a starter.

 

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Need help with generator head
« on: September 08, 2021, 07:06:35 PM »
  yup outside collimator was nice and green, cleaned all the electrical connections and the collimators with steel wool.
 Was able to spin the generator up to 700rpm with a drill, the larger wires were putting out 4vac and the small two at 2vac.


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Lister Based Generators / Re: Need help with generator head
« on: September 08, 2021, 12:40:09 PM »
 Thanks for the reply ac38..

 That would be great if the generator is complete, I will try the reverse drill trick. There are five wires coming from the 120v  head, one is marked with black tape.  I am guessing two of the three large wires would be neutral and L1 and the other could be used for a starter winding, the two small wires could be for battery charging.

 I will post some pics of the brushes..

 Thanks



 

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Lister Based Generators / Need help with generator head
« on: September 08, 2021, 12:18:46 AM »
 Just picked up this Lister 6/1 generator setup, anyone have any ideas how to get this generator to output power or test. Not sure if it is missing a dog house and parts needed to output power. Could not find any info on the web, looks similar to a two stator kato gen head. There is also no place on the crankshaft for a starter handle, so I am guessing this generator head also acts like a starter also..

 thanks..

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 12, 2021, 11:48:18 AM »
  I have torqued the head bolts to 100lbs on the 3/4 and 60lbs on the smaller, now there is a little stiffness when starting to spin the wheels.

 Anyone have any ideas why over torqueing the head bolts could bind the crank.. could it be the center main bearing carrier is being put out of alignment..

 Seem to remember the head bolts thread into inserts in the block, could one of these backed out..

 

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 09, 2021, 11:20:41 AM »

 Started off by moving the cam gear out 1-2mm, you can see where the gear had previously sat in the picture, this made no difference. Then backed off the head bolts, this freed the  engine right away.

 I have a  manual for the engine and no where does it state the torque specs for the head bolts, found it funny how it states to change the oil every 2-3 months if the engine is run every day.

 Anyone know what the torque specs and procedure are for the CE..

Thanks..

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 05, 2021, 11:16:26 AM »

  The cylinders looked new so I don't expect it to be a bent rod. The two things I need two check then would be to make sure the rod bearings have .002" play and that the cam gear was not driven on to the point of binding, I will back the housing off again and recheck to see if there is any endplay.

 Thanks

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 03, 2021, 10:27:05 AM »
 Thanks for all the replies..

 I had to wet sand the sides of the rod bearing quite a bit to get them to fit the the crank, wet sanded them on glass until they would just move freely. Checked the rod bearings with platsicgauge, also tried to spin the crank with the rod bearings loosened to see if the crank would spin easier.

 I have to try to get some endplay on the crankshaft, there is zero endplay on the engine now using a pry bar..

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 03, 2021, 01:18:27 AM »
 
 The engine has 30 minutes of run time since complete reassembly,  I am going to check to see if the crank is pinched between the cam gear, i can't remember if the crank had a seat to stop the cam gear from being driven on too far.

 Dave..


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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:15:48 PM »

 I checked the end play and there is zero end play, my thinking now is that when I reinstalled the cam gear on the drive shaft it must have been driven on too tight. This would cause the the binding even with the end housings being backed off a mm. The cam gear had to be heated with map gas to get it off and to reinstall.

 This would have to be it, as the only other way to adjust the endplay would be to shim the non cam side end housing. There are no drive shaft shims on this engine just the collar of the main bearings.

 I reassembled the engine last November, had taken pictures of the whole process but unfortunately they were lost when my phone quite working. So going off memory of the reassembly process..

 Dave..

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: August 02, 2021, 12:15:36 PM »
 thanks for the reply..
 
 It's prybar stiff cold or hot, no difference. Once it starts to move there is not much resistance. My plan is to take the head off and start from there, I guess just keep dissembling until there is a noticeable change in resistance.

Dave..

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Lister CE endplay adjustment
« on: July 31, 2021, 11:25:15 AM »
Hi all

 After reassembly of the 1950 Lister CE there is resistance to getting the flywheel moving, once the the wheels start to move it is smooth. It starts fine and runs well, when the engine is coming to a stop it seems to bind when the wheel are just about to stop moving.

 This engine seems to have been given a complete rebuild in the distant past and then left for at least 20 years. Ring gap is perfect, cylinders sleeves look new, no ware on lifter springs, main bearings look new. I replaced the rod bearings and checked the tolerance with plastic gauge.

So I not sure if it is normal for the engine to be stiff to get moving, or did I miss a step on reassembly. I did not see any way to adjust the endplay, I loosened both side covers and backed them off a mm and it did not make a difference.

 Any thoughts..

 Thanks..


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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CE decompression changeover damage
« on: December 03, 2020, 11:23:47 AM »
Thanks for the reply...

  Just not sure if the head should be taken to a machine shop and have a insert put in, or run it the way it is.

 thanks

 

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