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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CS 6/1 as form of rehab
« on: December 05, 2017, 11:07:17 AM »
That picture at the start of the thread is a beauty !
Very nice unit.

(lister envy) :-\

Veggie
Hope you are talking about the ST2 not the CS. looked like this when I got it(see photo). The reason it now looks ok is that dieselgman helped me find the parts. Don`t want to go into the cost but it probably explains why he has more than one CS to rebuild this winter. Only joking, prices were very reasonable.
That liner will probably continue to serve if you want it to?  As long as there's nothing "lippy" for rings to catch on?  You gotta think "600 RPM" not "automotive" IMHO

You could certainly give it a scuff-up and put it back together and try?  All that's lost is a couple hours work

Injector etc?  Maybe throw the whole injector/linkage shit in a bucket of diesel and while it's soaking have a look on Old Timer Engines to see how cheap all that stuff is and just buy a new pump, lines, linkage & injector -then when you go to start it you will know all that stuff is good and when you get a solid, distinctive "CRINK" from the injector you'll know you are good

Just my $0.02


Thanks Mike, sadly it has a very profound lip. A re-bore to 20 thou might just about eliminate it. Still thinking about having it sleeved. Might be cheaper to import a new cylinder but have my doubts about the Indian Listeroid parts.
Think I`ll take your advice on fuel injection components: dump in a bath of diesel and leave for a long time. Its what I did with the ST2 and it worked a treat. I still had to replace the injector nozzles but everything else cleaned up real nice.
I concur on the fuel injection stuff... both pumps and injectors readily available brand new MICO Bosch and their quality is good. The OEM pump does have a drilled shaft for the excess fuel (overload) pawl... maybe worth recovering an old pump for that feature.

dieselgman
Thanks dieselgman, where I live never drops below freezing so no problems with start up all year round.

Nice rehabilitation project!
These engines all end up looking more or less the same after years of neglect - but I never grow tired watching them come back to life. Keep posting those updates.

Oh my word dieselgman... 10 engines... I feel like I need a break after doing just one   :o  ;D

Thanks for the encouragement dieselsmoker. Read all of your posts on your rebuild. A lot of skills and innovations,

So how did the sick old git go today?
I managed to strip everything except the crankshaft and one flywheel. Managed to snap the head off the gib key, still no movement in the key. The crankshaft on this side has a lot of pitting from corrosion. Suspect that water has got into keyway and seized everything solid. Going to weld a length of 1/2 inch threaded bar to the remaining gib key and try to pull it off with a piece of tube 3 inch and 1/2 inch steel plate with a hole in it. Will post photos tomorrow. Could be some swearing if it don`t work. Anyone know how much heat I can safely put into the shaft and flywheel without damaging stuff?
I have a question regarding the profiles on the camshaft. The inlet/exhaust cam lobes are clean and nicely rounded, the cam lobe that drives the oil pump and injector pump has a different profile, looks worn to me(see photo) advice please.

Thanks guys
Bob
 

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CS 6/1 as form of rehab
« on: December 04, 2017, 11:24:39 AM »
Well guys, looks like we all need a bit of rehab except for dieselgman who appears to need help, if he doesn't need therapy now he soon will.
I had a real fun day:
Removed cylinder, badly worn/corroded.
Removed one gib key and fly wheel, came out easy. Wish I could say the same for the other one, broke my gib key puller. Made a tapered drift and warmed everything up, still no joy. More penetrating oil and will leave for a few days before trying again.
Removed piston and conrod. Main bearing shells badly worn down to the copper, crankshaft looks ok but will measure the journal to be sure. Anyone know if undersized bearings are available if it needs a regrind?
Managed to free up the fuel injector pump rack enough to disassemble the governor linkages. Any advice on decontaminating the injector pump?
Removed cam followers/tappet assembly, exhaust side has a lot of play, anyone know what the tolerances should be?
Just a couple of pics to prove the knackered old git is still having a go, No surrender.
Bob

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CS 6/1 as form of rehab
« on: December 03, 2017, 10:35:12 AM »
Thanks Ron and Stef, just finished for the day. "No surrender" was the moto for the Irish Republican Army, while I don`t endorse their policies or methods you have to love their determination and enthusiasm and I am trying to embrace both.
Doctors tell me I should take it easy as I broke my neck twice, bust my sternum and ribs and followed it all up with a heart attack. What a load of BS, I can sit around waiting for a word with God or I can get on and try to be productive.
Today was the best I have had in twelve months. I am excited by what I am trying to do and have already learned a lot. Love the idea about a cooler unit from a refrigerated container. if I did that the wife might think I was doing something useful.
So how did I get on today?
1. I hit everything with penetrating oil.
2. Removed water pipes, exhaust manifold &etc.
3. Removed rocker cover & rocker arm assembly.
4. Removed Fuel injector and pipes.
5. Removed fuel filter and pipes to injector pump.
6. Removed COV.
7. Removed cylinder head.
8. Remove water jacket access covers from cylinder.
9. Drained sump
Observations so far:
Cylinder head has been home to a family of mice, long gone, only to be replaced by a live red back spider (nasty toxic beasty) which is now an ex arachnid (no machinery was damaged during this extermination)
Some Muppet with a large hammer and a small brain decided the best way to free seized valves (due to lack of maintenance) is to beat the sh1t out of them. Picture of deformed rocker attached.
Cylinder bore badly worn, Listard chrome finish damaged and severe corrosion due to water contamination.
Sump filled with some primordial slime that appears to be a mixture of crude oil and sewage.

Information required as to best re-bore, fit high chrome/steel liner with soft piston rings or rebore and use oversize piston with high chrome rings?
I need a supply for Whitworth studs and nuts in Australia any info welcome.


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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CS 6/1 as form of rehab
« on: December 03, 2017, 03:22:36 AM »
Thanks starfire and dieselgman for the encouragement, doubt I would be undertaking this without this forum.
I am going to struggle with just one such engine, 10 is probably masochistic, good luck. do you expect to get ten running or cannibalise some to produce maybe 7 good ones?
A couple of early observations on my engine: 1. having removed gib key cover(1 missing) I note that the gib keys are numbered to match the corresponding fly wheel. I have to assume some level of individual fitting was employed, probably involving a file and some engineers blue. 2.Wear on the crankshaft from the starting handle is normally on the number one side allowing a person to use their right hand for cranking before using the left to disengage the decompression lever. On mine the wear is on the number two side suggesting that the previous owner was left handed. 3. No discernible play or end float in the crankshaft. Crankshaft is not seized but I will refrain from attempting to turn her over until I have investigated the condition of the cam shaft and idler.
Just a thought, has anyone tried driving an air conditioner with one of these? Temperatures here are set to soar to 50 degrees this summer.
They say that laughter is the best medicine, my wife is feeling great laughing at her stupid husband. I am hoping to have the last laugh when the CS fires up.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Lister CS 6/1 as form of rehab
« on: December 03, 2017, 01:24:47 AM »
G`Day all from down under. (Northern NSW, Australia)
I have been a member for quite some time but have never posted before. A few years back I purchased a Lister ST2 SOM in very neglected condition. With a lot of help and parts from Gary at Diesel Electric she now provides back up for our home.
Last year I had a very serious car accident and have been undergoing rehabilitation ever since. In a slightly mad attempt to speed up this process I bought a Lister CS 6/1 yesterday. Serial number 1510616 (1956) crankcase casting number 25 A 56 so January 1956 I believe. Four years older than me.
It is my plan to restore this to as new condition and add a three phase generator head to power my workshop machines.
The CS is missing a fuel tank, cooling system, inlet manifold and filter, exhaust silencer and push rod. I will have to strip every part of this and examine them to compile a list of required spares. For now all I plan to do is cover everything in penetrating oil and let it soak in for a while.
I will post some pictures as I go and all advice will be very much appreciated

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