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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 17, 2015, 09:38:18 AM »
Hi McR,

Just a thought.... New/better oil pump...Roller Followers....What about modding a set of hydraulic lifters to do an auto shutdown if oil pressure is low.... Also, they would be self setting and with the little hydraulic cushioning I think they would be much quieter too on the tappet end.....

Regds
Ed

That sounds cool, but my knowledge of hydraulic lifters is, well, I don't know anything about them. Maybe an added feature down the road if I get the mechanics of this working...

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I have to say I played with this idea a bit myself. Not so much because of the legal aspect as for the adventure of it. Depending on time, and how my current project goes, I may still go after it, just with a bit of a twist. Now that I already have an 18/1 in the works, the only way to go is up! Maybe a 36/2, or a 72/4? I'm already laying out a "Boxteroid" in my head, but whether or not it ever makes it to metal only time will tell.

When I was looking at doing what you are talking about, I was thinking more along the lines of building it up from raw steel. If you have the machinery (which it sounds like you do), the ability, and the time, skip the garbage Indian castings altogether, and do it right. The problem I had, was sourcing the plans (note to self, become really good friends with the g-man  ;) ). Without those, or an engine to work from, it was a no-go.

I don't think you honestly need to worry about picking up a parts kit and throwing one of these together for a home generator. If you try sneaking them into production on next year's VW line-up you may grab some attention, but a dude in his garage isn't even on the radar.

If your primary objective is to stay off the radar (though I doubt you really have anything to worry about), whether you buy a "full set" of parts, a compressor to convert, or just a set of castings to build from, it's all the same as far as risk. It wouldn't take a Sherlock Holmes to crack that case. The only way to stay off the radar, if you really felt you needed to, would be to build from scratch, or very near to it.

Now, if your primary objective is the cool factor and adventure of doing it yourself, you should be going full on from scratch anyway, AND, you should be taking lots of pictures to share, because if that's what you're about, I like your style, and want to see what you make!

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 10, 2015, 12:45:06 AM »

/\ Injector pump cam follower. +1 on a nice job, but I would like to know if your needle roller bearing is running on a hardened shaft?

Does this engine have an oil pump or is it splash lubrication? I ask this because if it has an oil pump, on original single cylinder Lister CS engines, this follower is the one that will always wear out first, due to the marginal lubrication it gets.



Yes, the shaft is hardened.

The plan is to eliminate the stock oil pump, replace it with something I have a bit more faith in, and do a little work creating a system to distribute the oil in a bit more controlled manner.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 10, 2015, 12:36:55 AM »
Hi McR,

Nice job on those followers - add champion machinist to your qualifications - Quick question - are they for IP/Oil Pump or valves..... If valves, you are aware that changing from flat follower to roller follower changes the open/close/dwell/acceleration/characteristics of motion for the valve train(Possibly not so much to be of concern)?

Just a thought...

Regds
Ed

They are for the valves. After reading 38ac's build thread, and learning about those indian valve trains, I decided I was going to make a big project bigger (as is may way) and fabricate an entirely new camshaft and lifter setup rather than try and make do with what I had. Necessary? No. But again, it is a weakness of mine to overdo things. I will make a new shaft and lobes to suit.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM »
One more step on the road to smoke. I whipped up a set of needle bearing roller followers out of tool steel. They need just a little cleaning up and I'll move on to getting the camshaft components cut and built up...

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Contamination with hydraulic oil?
« on: December 04, 2015, 12:43:28 PM »
I may potentially have access to a large and steady supply of WVO. The only real hitch I see is that there is likely to be some contamination with hydraulic oil. The amount of hydraulic relative to WVO is relatively small, but variable. Some of the WVO may have none, and if a leak has occurred recently, there may be a small percentage of hydraulic oil mixed in.

The questions I am hoping you guys can help me with are these...

Is there a percentage of hydraulic oil that is acceptable when burning WVO in one of our simple diesels?

Is there a means by which we can determine easily what level of contamination there is? (The hydraulic oil does contain dye to alert operators of a leak)

Is there a method by which I can separate the two oils easily?

Is there anything else that jumps to mind as potential concerns that I haven't mentioned here?

Thank you in advance!

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 01, 2015, 04:02:54 PM »


Also have the valve head diameters increased from the original CS size.


Yes they are larger.

Looks like 1.7 and 2 inch diameters on those valves...

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: December 01, 2015, 11:40:36 AM »
Clearly the Indian design has increased bore and stroke, but to cope with the increased stresses that direct injection (when compared to the original Lister CS indirect injection engine) places on the wrist pin and big end bearing journals it would be interesting to know if these have been increased in diameter from the original Lister dimensions (wrist pin 1.25" diameter, big end 2.5" diameter).

The wrist pin on my unit measures 1.377, and the big end 2.753.

Also are the main bearings on a white metal bush or a taper roller bearing arrangement?

These are tapered rollers, pretty hefty ones (~.675 dia. rollers).

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: November 26, 2015, 02:42:56 AM »
Very nice.... don't forget to mask the edge connectors on the dimm's before u spray them.... is that the 12gb model or the 32gb model... Lol... ;D ;D ;D

Ha! Took me a second to catch your meaning. One of my many hats is IT, that room, my office/lab/shop is currently brimming with gear. A couple servers being built, a new work station for the floor, plus my own workstation and a management terminal. There are screens, wires, and blinking lights everywhere, except that one little corner, in which the Listroid sits. Second comment out of first-time visitor's mouths, after the one about how many monitors I have on my desk, is usually something like "Is that a steam engine?".  ???

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: November 25, 2015, 03:17:46 PM »
I'm not sure if this is considered heresy or not, but white is what I had on hand, so white she is.

Awlgrip "cloud white" to be exact. It was my first time spraying Awlgrip, or spraying anything from a real gun actually, so I am good with how it came out. Only 1 real sag out of all of those parts, and wouldn't you know it, it happens right in the middle of a flat surface. I figured for sure if I had any trouble it would be with the more complex pieces...
Oh well, one more step on the road to getting her running!

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: March 17, 2015, 03:02:38 AM »
Man, that came out nice and clean......but you never mentioned what type of "bath" it was. Heated sodium hydroxide perhaps?

Yes. i ended up mixing at a rate of 2lbs per each 5 gallons of water. With the air agitation running, an uninsulated barrel, and only a 1000 watt heater, I didn't get anywhere near boiling temp, but it doesn't seem that it was necessary. A nice strong solution, a 24 hour soak, and some elbow grease with a stiff dish brush during the rinse, got the job done. A pressure washer would have been easier than the brush, but it wasn't that bad, the paint came right off. Hitting it with the washer would have also made a big mess blasting all that paint around.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: March 16, 2015, 07:20:35 AM »
I have a little more cleaning up to do, but the bath worked out great. There weren't any real nasty surprises, pretty much what I had expected to see after all the reading I've done. Cursory inspection shows there is clearly a load of sand to remove, but that is not news to anyone I'm sure.

So here are a few of the bigger pieces, waiting for the next step...


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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: March 16, 2015, 12:42:40 AM »
The piece on the upper end that serves as the cam follower is pressed in. You have to remove it prior to pulling the rest out the bottom.  It is best to leave it alone unless there is a problem.

I have one of those sitting in the shop fgor quite some time, It just cant get to the top of the things to do list >:(

Ah, I was wondering which end had to come out, it looks as though the lower end is pressed in as well. This is the one part that I wanted to put in the bath but couldn't, just because of that piece. I may just cut it and recreate, probably safer to do it this way rather than risk damaging the casting trying to pull the pressed in end without creating a jig.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: March 15, 2015, 06:59:53 PM »
Good work !
Can't wait to see what she looks like.

Gary

Can't wait to pull her out and see what sort of castings I've got.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: All In
« on: March 15, 2015, 03:18:00 PM »
Clearly, as beautiful as she is, she could use a nice long bath, so I rigged her up a nice jacuzzi tub to relax in.

A few dollars in pvc pipe and fittings made a decent air manifold for agitation...



A bunch of holes in the bottom...



I picked up a "bucket heater" for short money, added the secret soap, hooked up the air, and presto, a nice bath for my lady...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/P9trb8SKTRM

(Can't seem to get the embed to work properly...)
She is bubbling away as we speak, we'll see how she looks when she's done with her day at the spa...

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