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Listeroid Engines / Re: is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:35:51 PM »
Bruce, you said get capacitors that cover 20-40 uF.

so, I'm looking at this 10 (mdf?) UF one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-MFD-uf-370-440-v-vac-volts-Oval-AC-Electric-Motor-Run-Capacitor-HVAC-/400467157669?hash=item5d3db3e2a5:g:NOQAAOSwxH1T48Z~

and getting 3 of them, so I can start with 10 and work up.   is that what you suggest?
and how do they get wired in?  the AC just goes in, and comes back out the same 'post' but opposite side? (can't quite see how those flanges are set up)


In other, not complete testing news: I hooked up my old school table saw and had it running before I switched on the house, and the house seemed to be willing to take that power.  Once I turned off the tablesaw, it seemed the house rejected it again.  I couldn't do a lot of experimenting though.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 12, 2016, 06:13:17 PM »
Ok...jumping in here.... I don't know the system you are using, but have you tried a straight resistive(ie bar heater) load in case its a feedback of sorts from the inverter etc.... that helped me isolate problems a few times in the past.....

As in, throw a space heater on there before adding the other (house) load?

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Listeroid Engines / Re: is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 11, 2016, 10:20:33 PM »
so, here's what I've done so far (with Tom from Central Gen's help) which I think, Bruce, is your number #2 advice ?   the red wires?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V0DAmAPiGJw/VpQp5ncr76I/AAAAAAAAGtY/MPRxjngYzdA/s1600/2016-01-11%2B12.15.23.jpg 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 11, 2016, 05:16:49 AM »
so, always looking for an easy solution, I'm wondering about putting one of these load balancer things in between the alt and everything else (mainly my house inverter/charger)

it so happens that a neighbor didn't need this: http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Wallmount-Conditioner-outlets/dp/B00006B81V  and gave it to me, so it's just sitting here.

think this might help?

Tys

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Listeroid Engines / Re: is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 09, 2016, 05:42:46 PM »
With the mechanical governor on the roid, you should really be setting the no-load frequency to around 62 HZ.  ALL mechanical governors have RPM droop across their load range.  Since the mechanical flyweights are in constant opposition with a spring, They MUST have a decrease in RPM to provide the mechanical movement which increases the throttle to help counter the drop in RPM.  My 6/1 set at 62HZ no-load droops to 58HZ at max load.  This is actually kind of handy, as with a kill-a-watt plugged into any outlet in the house I can, at a glance, tell the load on the generator...  Starting out at 62HZ or so might help with the inverter tripping out for low freq when it places a load on the generator...   

This is the area I was interested in.  for the record, it's a 6/1 connected to a BRAND NEW 3kwST. 

I know the inverter/charger isn't messed up, in fact I have been using a gas gen to push in AC, and have pushed in AC with my old alt before it fried.

also, I did have a killOwatt connected in (can't video that in the same way) and it shows that same jump UP in htz.  I'm really surprised there's that much 'reaction' from the house load.

about my speed question:  I can't do the math if I can't get a consistent readout on AC or Htz!  and, this new alt seems to have an AVR that really controls the AC, so I'm down to looking at Htz. thus all these questions. 

Anyway, next test is I'll make sure the belt is good and tight and set the speed up so it shows 62hz at no load.
check out how tight I've got the belt right now, in case there's some slippage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8r2nXln3E&feature=youtu.be 




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Listeroid Engines / is this simply belt slip?
« on: January 08, 2016, 07:29:04 PM »
so, new alternator on the 6/1, with 8" pulley, when I put the house load (outback inverter/charger that seems to cycle on then freak when the hertz are weird, turn off, then try again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJqen5-hR2Y&feature=youtu.be

questions: doesn't it seem like the engine is running really fast to get to the no load of 60h?

is the belt slipping, that I get that jump in hertz UP to 80 and 70?  wouldn't it normally just drop?

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 10, 2015, 05:44:49 AM »
What about scavenging a alternator from a trashed 3600 rpm screamer ?  Generally, the engines die, and the alt is likely still OK.   You would have to get a mounting plate and a pulley together for it though.

hm. that's probably more project than I can handle, but it does have some appeal. have you seen it done, with a lister/22 inch flywheel?

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 08, 2015, 11:19:55 PM »
yeah, looks like I'm screwed on the ideal product, as George doesn't seem to be doing them anymore.  so, what are the alternatives (ha. get it?)

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 08, 2015, 10:53:31 PM »
yes, this thing was not in the most protected environment for a number of years. of course, now, it is.  

so I'm hearing, replace the stator windings (who does that?? )   OR get a completely new Alternator.  

I've certainly looked at Utterpower's PMG, but I'm hoping for other specific suggestions:  what should I get and who should I get it from?

--- I use my 6/1 for BACKUP for my off-grid  (full time) home.  That is, in the winter, from November to March, I like to bump up my battery bank because the solar panels aren't getting the long love from the sun.  I also use this thing for power tool usage.  That ends up being about a 5 hour stretch, once a week for 4 months, max.  80 hours a year.

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 07, 2015, 05:54:18 AM »
So, go the thing apart today. oy.  what an ugly mess.  It would appear that if what Tom said, that it got up to high amperage and then overheated at the short, the short is in the outside windings, as the only melting I can see is there, on the bottom of the circle.    All the rust and rubbing are another ugly part. 

Looking at this picture, does that assessment seem accurate? does that explain everything else that has been going on?  how "gone" is this alternator?

(figured out how to post sort of decent sized photos here)

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 06, 2015, 04:43:38 AM »
so, what happened when I did the AC outs into the rectifier?

why am I only seeing 2 volts out now?

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 04, 2015, 04:23:00 PM »
well, can you tell me this - what might a 'bad spot' look like?  I might just have some wearing out of a wire just inside the case, right?  if that was touching something it shouldn't, that'd be a short, no?

and if I pull the whole axle and look at it, what might a bad spot look like? could one see it with the naked eye, or is it not testable?

Tys

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 04, 2015, 05:23:11 AM »
Well if I were a bet'in man I'd say that the field windings are shorted.

how do I check, and how do I fix?

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 03, 2015, 08:13:35 PM »
ok, so, did that...

the voltage jumped up to 110 for a second, then went back down to low 60s... the engine acted like it had a HUGE load on it, and the alternator sounds different.   and there was some 'hot electricity' smell.

I only ran it for 20 seconds or so.


I put it back the way it was, and only 3v came out. alternator sounds different.

now what?

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Everything else / Re: 3k st alternator just stopped mid work
« on: November 02, 2015, 10:31:41 PM »
sorry, looking for more clarification on this fix. (it's raining today, so I'm skipping working on wiring anyway)

I've posted another photo here:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mw48cgB_xEI/Vjfi54CUAPI/AAAAAAAAGow/G7sumGCr_tw/s1600/altblowoutwithdrawnlines.png

with GREEN DRAWN on lines of what I think is the suggested change. 

Connecting on AC out (#1) to the bridge retifier  and connectig the other AC out (#2) to the Z winding going into the AVR (#6)   Does that all look correct?

Also, I'm unclear on whether I UNHOOK the Z windings, or leave them connected.  my green slash marks are on the Z wires - do I cut those or leave them connected?

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