Of course the British seem so proper and well-mannered.

The fuck!

 

Sorry, couldn't resist...

I think I have about 9 or so engines lying about the place at the moment, including a couple of doozy's (slowspeed's fr2 genset is, for want of a better word, f'king huge!).

I am currently considering hiring a friend to take all 9 to Blackpool in one trip - he has a bigger HIAB (crane) than me, and his lorry is faster, more comfortable, and less likely to lose bits of its cab: Don't get me wrong, having the crane lorry has (and continues to be) an unbelievable boon, but it really is a dog on long journeys. I'd plan to take the engines when the container is onsite, so I can load them straight in. I had a brief e-mail conversation with Kevin at the yard a little while back, and one thing he doesn't have is covered (dry) storage, so IMHO it would be best to get a container in there ASAP.

Serial numbers I can get for most (maybe all) of the engines. I presume they should, for preference, be drained of oil before being loaded? Any objection if I send the oil I extract to Spencer for his amusement?   

It's great that this project is on the move again - I need the space! On the other hand, the engines have been a great talking point for the weeks/months they've been here.

Quote from: Reg Burn on September 18, 2011, 12:33:06 AM

The engine is easy to start even without a handle.

Say that again 

I presume by bouncing it off compression like you would a hot-bulb engine.... but I've never seen that done with a CS, even a hot CS. A youtube video would be most revealing.

Interesting, it looks a lot lighter than its 1 & 1/3 tons - is that dry weight? And I must admit, I wouldn't want to try to pull that out of a muddy field after a typical British weekend...

Incidentally, in America, the engine would weigh 1.5 (short) tons, or 30.5 short cwt... which I guess is why they work almost exclusively in lbs, as that's the same weight here in Blighty.

Ade,

Who is in charge of that container gathering you are referring to? I have quite a few Listers in England waiting for transport right now.

dieselgman

You have a PM...

Anybody heard about this?

Long article, but if it's true it's not a good thing..........

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/grid.html

Unfortunately, his basic premise - that there is no frequency variation & hasn't been for ever - is wrong. There will be a permitted tolerance of variation - IIRC here in the UK it's 50Hz +/- 0.3Hz; in the States it's 60Hz +/- some small figure. The reason why this must be is most obviously illustrated with two examples:

1) Consider your own (hopefully Lister[oid] powered) generator. Load it from zero to 3KW and you will see a drop in RPMS - even if it's a temporary drop & the engine recovers. Remove the load & the engine races, before dropping back. Each sag/surge cycle alter the frequency of the output.

2) Now consider the national grid, with all its megawatts of generator. At 7am, 10 million Americans in Califorina all switch on their coffee machines. The sudden 100-megawatt load causes the grid generators to sag - just slightly - before the steam turbines driving them ramp in the extra power required. An hour later, the machines are all switched off and the corresponding lightning of the load causes the generators to race - just a little bit - before the steam turbines are reigned in. Each sag/load will, just slightly, affect the grid frequency.

And that, ladies & gentlemen, is why powerstations have complex control rooms full of people 24x7; they are constantly trying to predict just a few seconds in advance how much power is going to be needed, & are pro-actively adjusting the output to compensate. Here in the UK, we have a "coronation street" effect; about 12 million people in, say 8m households watch Coronation St, 3 times/week. 15 minutes in, the ad break comes on; and in a very siginificant number of those 8m households, someone will jump up & switch a kettle on. The resulting massive surge of power requirement would, if ignored, cause the grid frequency to drop sharply, as well as the voltage, causing brown-outs & other undesirable effects. However, the power station people know it's due, so just as the ad break starts, they switch in extra capacity to take up the load. I'm sure America has similar predictable surge loads, which are handled in the same way.


Anyway, the upshot is, the author's claimed "60hz, rock steady, never changing" grid frequency is rubbish. Yes, your kitchen cooker & some older mains-powered clocks may have used the grid frequency to keep time; but any critical clock has been synchronised by atomic decay for years; and nearly all other clocks are regulated by quartz.

Must admit though, the article's great for a laugh. I'll forward it on to some of my pals in the electricity industry, I think they'll find it hilarious.

This thread is now locked while the moderators look into it.

A perennial issue for users of forums, not just this one, is "how do I post a picture". Having seen another such question, here is the definitive answer.

Step 1: If you haven't already, please go visit http://www.listerenginegallery.com, and grab yourself an account. Accounts are completely free, and the gallery is run by a good friend of the Lister Engine forum. Once you've got your account, follow the simple steps there to upload and (optionally) resize your photos to "forum-friendly".

Step 2: Open a new tab/window/browser session (whichever suits you best), open the Lister Engine Forum, go to the thread/forum you plan to post in, and start your post.

Step 3: From the icon view of the Gallery, click the picture you wish to see. It will appear in "screen size" view; this is perfect for the forum. On Windows machines, right click and choose the appropriate option:

IE6/7/8(?) users - click "Properties", then copy the contents of the "Address" field in the pop-up window to the clipboard
Opera - click "Copy Image Address"
FireFox - click "Copy Image Location"
Safari - click ? <--- Are you a Safari user? Please let me know the menu option to copy an image's URL to the clipboard so I can complete this FAQ
Other - click ? <--- If you use a browser not listed above, please help! I need the same info as for Safari + your browser's name & version no.

Step 4: You now have the picture's URL in your browser. Switch to your new posting, and click the IMG button (); this will give you an {IMG}{/IMG} tag pair, only with square brackets not the curly ones I'm showing.

Step 5: Finally.... position your cursor between the two IMG tags, and paste in the URL you selected in Step 3.

To add extra images, simply repeat steps 3-5. You can do this with almost any picture you find on the web, they don't have to come from the Lister Engine Gallery; I believe you can do something similar with PhotoBucket and other on-line galleries.

If you can add anything to this guide, or if you feel any part of it needs clarification or re-wording, please do let me know either by PM, or by replying here.

Cheers,
Ade.