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Engines / Re: Inherited Lister engine, advice and id help please
« on: May 28, 2020, 02:46:07 PM »
Hmph. I totally forgot about the fuel rack!

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Engines / Re: Inherited Lister engine, advice and id help please
« on: May 27, 2020, 01:15:30 PM »
1st step - With the injector line disconnected, crank the engine around. You should see fuel spurting from the end of the injector line. If not - there's either air in them, or you need to look at the injection pump. If you see a decent gob of fuel every firing stroke, move on to step 2.

Step 2: With the injector removed from the engine, re-connect it to the fuel lines. Crank engine over (keep your hands well away from the injection end - if it's working, it can actually inject diesel fuel through skin - nasty!). You should see a nice fine mist of fuel. If you see fuel but it's not well atomised, your injectors need servicing/replacing. If no fuel comes out, then either the injector is jammed, or the pump is too weak.

If your pump isn't pumping, it may be seized, or it may be worn. I don't know if you can easily see the IP (Injection Pump) operating on the LD engines, I suspect not... so you may need to pull it to have a look. If it's seized, then the pump won't be returning when the cam has passed the follower. If it's worn, then the follower will be down, but the fuel is going down the sides of the piston instead of up the pipe. Pumps can be repaired, but they're extremely fine tolerance devices, so it might be easier/cheaper to get a 2nd hand one.

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Looking at the state of that bolt/follower - I'd say something let go in that gearbox under full power/rpms. I suspect there's a lot more damage in there to find...

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It looks like a cam follower of some kind.

Could I ask you to make be do a bit of post-processing on that pic? Best thing would be to snip off the edges so just the bolt is there, then re-size down to something managable - 800x600 is best, 1024x768 is also OK. The 4000x3000ish size makes it unviewable (in one lump) on most screens, and especially on my tiddly laptop screen that I'm on just now.

If you're a Linux user, GIMP is the program you need to do the job. For Windows users, you can use plain old Paint to trim the image, then I recommend the Faststone Image Resizer (which is FREE - a quick google should find the download page) to resize the result (you can also use it to resize and rename a series of photos, add watermarks etc. Really good piece of software, and free to boot.

Cheers!

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Please contact the seller directly if you're interested in purchasing; I'd appreciate it if the seller could let us know when the units are sold, or updates as to stock levels.

Other replies, especially those which appear to be prodding the hornets nest, will be deleted - and if I'd not been a bit indisposed this week, they'd have been removed a damn site quicker.

Thanks all.

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What have I said about bad behaviour?

No more. End of.

Executive summary: The OP no longer has any engines for sale. This topic is now locked.

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If it really will run on crude oil, I believe the big oil co's can't give it away at the moment!

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General Discussion / Re: Intermittent starting Lister d
« on: April 27, 2020, 11:23:46 AM »
Sounds like the carb is in need of cleaning/adjustment.

Bear in mind that my knowledge of carburettors could fit into a box of matches, without taking the matches out first.... so caveat emptor!

So... if it won't run with any throttle, I'd guess that the main jet is blocked. It'll start and just about run on the idle jet, but as soon as you feed it more air, it's not getting enough fuel, so it dies.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister info needed
« on: April 20, 2020, 07:48:15 AM »
Hi Gavin,

Your engine serial number breaks down as follows:

146 - is the production number for the year
31 - = 3/1, i.e. it's a 3hp engine @ 600rpm, or a 3.5hp @ 650rpm
12 = 1962 (1950 + 12 years)

I can't tell you much more than that, unfortuately.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HELP WITH LISTER ST2A 14 H.P.
« on: April 05, 2020, 12:12:13 AM »

Are the batteries mounted solidly - with maybe a rubber section underneath to isolate then from the cold floor ...


Ooh - good point. Definitely make sure the batteries are not sitting on a cold concrete floor in sub-zero temperatures, they REALLY don't like that (for some reason). Putting them on a pallet will insulate them well enough... makes them easy to move around too, if you've got a pallet truck!

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HELP WITH LISTER ST2A 14 H.P.
« on: April 04, 2020, 12:16:08 PM »

1. What battery is recommended? I occassionally have problems starting it in the morning if it gets below freezing and I end up draining the battery. I will
be installing a solar trickle charger that will stay on the battery permanently so that when it is not in use, which can be a month or more, it will stay charged.
That said, maybe there is a better battery for this generator.


Any decent sized car or truck battery should be fine. If it's a 24v starter, then two in series. The bigger the better, if you're draining it occasionally. Batteries do have a finite life, and if it's been left flat for any length of time, it's probably wrecked it's charge capacity (don't ask me how I know this...) A solar trickle charger is an excellent idea to keep it topped off; a 100W panel and a charge controller should only cost around $100 these days, I'd have thought, and will give plenty of capacity.


3. How to crank start? When the battery has died, I have tried crank starting, but it is extremely difficult to rotate the handle....does something need to be disengaged to bypass the electrical starter?

4. How to operate the decompressor levers? According to the manual, when starting the levers should point towards the flywheel, is this correct? Do the levers
need to be backed off after it starts? I generally start the generator remotely from the cabin so I am not at the generator to fuss with the levers and have
always just had them at 12' o'clock. Appreciate any advise here....


Not being familiar with your set up.... does it have an automotive style starter, with cogs cut into the flywheel? If so - the starter will be automatically disengaged when not in use, just like a car one. If it's an original Start-o-Matic unit, then the generator is also the starter. Although it's permanently connected (via the belts), it shouldn't add too much resistance at hand cranking speeds. Getting it turning initially will be harder because of the extra drag (and quite possibly a flywheel mounted on the generator too).

To crank start, you need to engage the decompressors. I don't know which way they move; so just push them all the way over one way or another, and try to slowly turn the engine. If it comes to a dead halt, then back it up a bit, and turn the levers the other way. One way or another it should rotate freely (you might also hear a hiss from the exhaust valve on what should be the compression stroke).

Once you've established which way the levers go - now you really need to put your back into it! Start cranking it as fast as you possibly can. At the last moment, using your third hand, flip one of the decompression levers over. WIth a fair wind, and a bit of luck, the engine should fire on one. As soon as it's picked up a few revs, flip the second compression lever. Which one you do first is up to you - you might find the engine starts a bit easier on one cylinder compared to the other... so you'd favour that one.

Good luck!

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 05:38:30 PM »
Strange thing is, some American humour really is both clever AND very funny... e.g. IMHO this little dialogue from Airplane 2:

Witness : Striker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor : Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of your crew?
Witness : Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor : Andy went to pieces?
Witness : No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor : Howie came unglued?
Witness : Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor : And he bailed out?
Witness : No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor : Then Howie survived?
Witness : No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.

All delivered pretty much deadpan.

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 05:27:15 PM »
two parrots were sat on a perch one of them wondered if the other could smell fish.....

LOL!

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 08:07:43 AM »
I'll be honest.... I don't get it, and I'm usually pretty good at getting humour... must be a US thing?

Plenty of really dark humour here in the uk... for example, there's a one-legged beggar here in Manchester. Mate of mine is a bit of a sissy when it comes to beggars, and got talking to him. Turns out, he's a veteran, and lost his leg in a campaign in Afghanistan. Mate asked him how come he was on the street begging - to which he replied; "I'm trying to raise the air fare so I can go back over there and find me bloody leg!"

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Changfa Engines / Re: AIr Cooled Chinese L186 Diesel Injector Pump R&R
« on: March 16, 2020, 07:11:35 PM »

to help reduce stress caused by spinning loads that have high inertia.

This makes no sense to me at all.
The whole concept of CS listers is a large, heavy flywheel and slow speed. Some people put extra flywheels on to reduce flicker. If does not matter if it's the flywheel or rotating mass of the load, they have high inertia as do all of the traditional type generators like you want to use.  Never heard of anyone saying they cause " additional stress" ?  Additional to what exactly over any other load??


I think I can see what Henry is getting at - the high inertia will resist the power stroke, which means the rods and bearings are seeing maximum stress - from combustion pressure - for longer, than a lower inertia, free-er revving engine. Which, I suspect, is partially why Listers are built like brick sh*thouses; materials analysis was a new thing back when the CS was designed, if it even existed at all, so better over-built than under...

There is a, possibly apocryphal, story about the development of the RR Merlin engine; during the early tests, they'd run the shit out of an engine until it broke. They'd then beef up the bit that broke, and re-run the tests, until something else broke instead. Then they'd beef up that bit... Rinse and repeat many many times, and you end up with an - almost literally - bulletproof engine, which, as we know, went on to worldwide well deserved fame. I doubt the CS went through much of that; they'd just build it waaaay big enough in the first place.

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