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Listeroid Engines / Re: Listeroid Comparison!!
« on: October 10, 2008, 06:38:04 PM »
Welcome, there are some pretty smart people on this site and you should spend many hours learning from them.

I personally like the big singles because of simplicity, power and fuel economy. I have a dual speed generator pulley and flywheel weight (128 lbs. total) on my 14/1, to broaden the capability of my system.

One speed is for 600 RPM, I set it at this speed because the original 5/1 ran at that proven RPM and my 14/1 makes almost 1 1/2 times the power (4,250 watts continuous) of a 6/1 at 650 RPM. The other pulley size is so the engine can operate at 850 RPM, enabling my 14/1 to make the same power as a 12/2 at 650 RPM. I never need the additional power of the 850 RPM, so I just use the 600 RPM speed.

So what I'm trying to relate to you is that, you always think your going to need more continuous power than you actually need. Use additional flywheel mass on the generator pulley to assist in your surge load needs, then size/RPM your  unit, to your continuous load needs.

So think realistic (maybe smaller than you think) and you will have the best design for your personal requirements and have the best fuel economy and engine durability. This is not a cut and dry subject, everyone has their own needs and specs that suits them best.

Diesel Guy

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Generators / Re: 2cyl verse 1 cyl
« on: October 08, 2008, 09:43:10 PM »
I meant to write:

The fuel economy will be "increased" and the fuel consumption would be reduced.

Diesel Guy

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Generators / Re: 2cyl verse 1 cyl
« on: October 08, 2008, 09:38:59 PM »
 
I know this is a little late:

I would advise a 16/1 engine and operate it at about 750 RPM.

The single would make about 12 HP @ 750 RPM, the same as a 12/2 @ 650 RPM and would be more reliable and easier to maintain.

The soild flywheel's mass is greater on the 16/1 compared to the 12/2 lightweight spoked flywheels.

The stored kinetic energy potential from the 16/1 with its much heavier flywheels and spinning 100 additional RPM would be much higher than a 12/2.

This will help the flicker problems of singles from the power stroke, as well as provide greater short term surge potential compared to a 12/2.

The governor on the 16/1 will maintain much closer cycle regulation and quicker engine response from a produced  load, compared to the 12/2. This due to the additional 100 RPM engine speed.

The fuel economy would also be reduced overall in real world environment, due to greater thermal efficiency from higher RPM, direct injection and less mechanical drag, injection pump, ect.

Just my opinion, I know there are twin people out there that might disagree and that's OK.

Good luck.
Diesel Guy


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Engines / Re: new power line 6hp smoke?
« on: October 08, 2008, 05:31:46 PM »
You should always check the timing on a new engine first. Then you can eliminate one thing at a time to cure the problem.
Diesel Guy

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Everything else / Re: Turbos from China
« on: January 21, 2008, 05:56:48 PM »
buickanddeere,

"On diesels engines, too little air produces hot exhaust temps."  "MAYBE" ???

For you that might be true on paper, but in the real world, when your waiting for the equilibrium between slightly over fueling (too hot) to over fueling (only slightly cooler) you just might have melted a piston or two in the process.

Believe me, I know, been there done that!!

Diesel Guy

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Everything else / Re: Turbos from China
« on: January 20, 2008, 03:25:43 PM »
Chris,

Your exactly correct it probably would build boost. I’m just explaining that when they are properly sized they offer the best spool up rates, peak boost, lowest exhaust temps and acceptable backpressure.

This is a perfect example, when you see those turbocharged Toyota Supra’s cars drag racing with their small displacement with their high RPM engines and big dyno numbers. The turbochargers they use are so large that if they were placed on a much lower RPM, large displacement diesel engine they would put out roughly the same HP, if everything else was matched properly.

A turbocharged 600 cc motorcycle engine, redlining at 15,000 - 16,000 RPM. Needs “much” more air than a 1,434 cc or 2,868 cc engine operating at 650 - 1,000 RPM.   

As I mentioned in the other post, even if a turbo was over sized it would still lower the piston and exhaust temps from the boost produced. It just wouldn’t work correctly without proper sizing, because an AC generator needs tight regulation.

A too large of a turbo with the required lower compression ratio, makes for an engine that is much less responsive and capable of following a tight RPM zone, compared to a higher compression, naturally aspirated engine.

By just looking at it without exact numbers of size, it just much work fine with the Listeroid engines. My gut feeling is it would work.

Diesel Guy

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Everything else / Re: Turbos from China
« on: January 20, 2008, 03:49:00 AM »
Doug,

Even an oversized turbo will provide cooler piston and exhaust temps. when the engine is under full load. The boost would clean up a lot of the black smoke produced. On gas engines, too little fuel produces hot exhaust temps. On diesels engines, too little air produces hot exhaust temps.

When manifold pressure increases the compression ratio has to be lowered accordantly. If a generator is mostly used under 50% load, a higher compression ratio, naturally aspirated engine would archive greater efficiency than a lower compression ratio turbo charged engine. So turbo charging has it's benefits and short comings.

Diesel Guy

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Everything else / Re: Turbos from China
« on: January 20, 2008, 03:20:13 AM »
Turbocharger size is directly proportional to peak horsepower output, if that turbo can handle 125 HP then it is "Oversized' not "Undersized".

When we set up an engine for drag racing we put a large turbo and for street use we use a small turbo. A low RPM generator needs an extra small turbo to provide adequate and useable spool up rates.

There is not much air flow from a 650 - 1,000 RPM engine, even though they have a fairly large displacement.

Turbine housing size is also a main factor, but properly matching turbo size with peak HP rating provides the best overall match.

Diesel Guy

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Generators / Re: Connecting backup power to the house
« on: January 15, 2008, 07:54:50 PM »
Andre Blanchard,

That's interesting, I didn't know that and it make scene.

Diesel Guy

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Generators / Re: Connecting backup power to the house
« on: January 15, 2008, 03:53:47 AM »
Tom,

In my opinion, you made a wise choice. Outback inverters are well made and the military uses them for their small systems. They don't like all the bells and whistles, the more basic an inverter, the more reliable.

Outback inverters are expensive per watt, but they spend the money on good quality internal components and they are beating Trace at their own game. That is one of the reasons for their loss of market share over the past few years. You’re going to get years of trouble free service from those units, good luck.

Diesel Guy

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New JKSON 6/1 owner
« on: January 14, 2008, 04:29:56 AM »
Welcome.

When I first started with these engines a few years ago, that was one of my concerns as well. But if you use 75-90 gear oil everything will last a long time. The simplicity of these engines is what makes them so good. You can lose an oil pump and you only lose your oil filter due to the splash lubrication and manual lube top end. It don't get any better than that. Good luck.

Diesel Guy

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Generators / Re: Connecting backup power to the house
« on: January 14, 2008, 03:45:16 AM »
Tom,

There is also a Equalizing Batteries Mode to keep your battery bank in top condition. Also, there is a Selling Power - From a DC Source Mode, my 5548's had them not sure if your 2512 has it. It enables the battery bank to stay fully charged and sell the excess power from an engine driven DC/solar/wind/hydro source, back into the grid. It also has a Selling Power - Stored in the Batteries Mode, to sell what power was produced that day, back into the grid. I loved the Trace inverters with all their options, what I didn't like is that, they don't last long before needing repair. I went through 2 sets of 5548's before I gave up on the Trace product line. Some love them and some don't. When they work they are great. I hope yours last along time.

Diesel Guy

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Listeroid Engines / Re: engine knock review.
« on: January 12, 2008, 04:49:18 AM »
jens,

Injection timing, remember the other post when I mentioned, if the fuel is injected early it would produce rapid acceleration ATDC, on your belt slipping post? The crack you are hearing is the extreme pressures in the combustion chamber, this reduces engine life many folds.

Diesel Guy

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Listeroid Engines / Re: engine knock review.
« on: January 12, 2008, 04:01:57 AM »
rocketboy,

It sounds too advanced to me also.

Diesel Guy

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Here is information I got:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/ListerData/cstech.htm

Valve Timing:-
Inlet Opens 5 Deg before TDC and closes 15 Deg after BDC on all engines. Exhaust Opens 45 Deg before BDC and closes 5 Deg After TDC for types WITH compresion changeover valves (3/1, 5/1, 6/1,10/2, 12/2) Exhaust Opens 55 Deg before BDC and closes 20 Deg After TDC for types WITHOUT compresion changeover valves (8/1, 16/2)

I'm sure the larger displacement, 1,000 rpm 14/1, has a larger cam.

Diesel Guy

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