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Listeroid Engines / Re: World’s Stupidest Lister Question!
« on: June 14, 2006, 01:03:09 PM »
I'm NOT one of the wise men but I don't see the engine walking in the video and if its not than its not that out of balance. If the hole in the hub of the flywheel isn't centered I don't think there is anything you can do about it. A loose fit on the belt and a belt tensioner might reduce strain on the bearings if you have to use that flywheel. If the ends of the crank are turning true the crank isn't bent. My static balance showed 330 grams needed on each flywheel almost opposit from the cast in flywheel weights. Haven't had a chance to run it since then though.

Thanks, Geno

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Right Cam Bushing
« on: June 14, 2006, 12:31:56 PM »
My website doesn't say it but all the bushings went in the freezer prior to my installation attempts. The upper rod bushing would get hot from the hot con rod  before I even got it aligned. I did get it in and aligned but it wasnt easy. The wrist pin was a tighter fit due to some bushing compression. No binding but no play when its oiled up.  All I'm waiting for now are the Timken TRBs and I can really get going.

Thanks, Geno

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Right Cam Bushing
« on: June 11, 2006, 01:02:47 AM »
The only wear was from some Indian crap that was in there. The engine is to new to show real wear.

The idler shaft and left cam bushing have the groove on top. From what I've read here, its for gravity feed, which makes sense. Thats why I asked about this one. What Hotater says makes sense also. What Guy says makes sense too. There is to much sense here.

I, however just found out about something that makes no sense and I want one. A small (3-10kw??) surplus, U.S. Airforce turbine powered generator which (according to my friend/owner of the website I maintain) can be had for under a 1000 US Dollars. My neighbors will be really happy with me then.

Thanks, Geno<at>sprucemtsurplus.com

6/12/06 This is the solution I've reached for the bearing:  http://www.genedevera.com/listeroid/#rcb

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Listeroid Engines / Right Cam Bushing
« on: June 09, 2006, 12:27:58 PM »
My right cam bushing was installed with the oil groove on the bottom. I assume this is wrong and it should be up?  I'll be putting it back together soon and want to make sure I do it right.



Thanks, Geno

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Addition: It didn't work. You can only select 3 options and I can't modify the options. Don't vote I sent a msg to the moderator to delete the poll.


There are many people here who know more than I do so any suggestions to my options are welcome as they can be changed. I think.

Detailed descriptoins of the failure and pictures would be helpful.

3 votes allowed for owners with multiple engines.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Chewed Up Idler
« on: June 06, 2006, 06:25:38 PM »
George may have some some in bronze.  http://www.utterpower.com/idler.htm  Others may have cast.
This has become a real problem and not just on twins anymore. To the best of my knowledge its only the higher hp singles that break gears aside from the occasional 6/1 with stamped timing marks.
See this post  http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=231.0

Is this the difinitive procedure for measuring backlash? How about .005? Checking every 45º or so of rotation would indicate if the idler is out of round. Mine will be going back together soon and I want to make sure its right.

Quote from: Tom on May 24, 2006, 10:18:56 pm
Guy and Kevin,

Just to confirm that we are all talking the same thing. The lash would be measured with a dial indicator on a tooth of the cam gear and the measurement would be the amount of rotation before the slop is taken up in the gear train. And if that is the case Guy's number of 5 thou would probably be an undetectable amount when just rocking the gears back and forth.

It seems like excessive lash could be contributing to the gear failure some have experienced as the gears slap against each other. It seems like I need to attend to this before I have "chunks". And seeing as Tim lost a bronze gear that is not the answer either. So what should I do? Put the aluminum one in that I have on the shelf and see how it fits?

Tom


Thanks, Geno


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Lister Based Generators / Re: Any UPS/Inverter Experts Out There??
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:59:36 AM »
I'll bet this stuff comes up all the time.

" LOT (2) POWER SUPPLIES SUCH AS POWER WARE FERRUPS POWER SUPPLY, MDL FE3, 1 EA; POWER WARE FERRUPS POWER SUPPLY, MDL FE1, 1 EA"

http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=888609&convertTo=USD

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Any UPS/Inverter Experts Out There??
« on: June 01, 2006, 01:00:24 PM »
The transformer in this, and many other UPS’s stores enough power to allow the inverter to come on line. I don’t know if that’s still the case with newer ones.

This units manual shows 90% efficiency and has survived many lightning strikes. 2000-1 protection, up to 6000 volts, 200 amps, I think. I gave the manual back yesterday.

The computer company I work for has provided power conditioning/UPS systems for our computers for 15+ years. I’ve thrown out or sent back enough units to keep us all happy. In the old days computers needed more, and better quality power to run properly. This makes the older units more suited to my needs. The power losses of the older units is a concern, but in my experience they are MUCH more robust. I don’t like a 10% loss, but my needs are different from others. I’m just exploring options anyway. The newer UPS’s do clean up the power but are more for ensuring a controlled shut down of the server. Recovering from one day’s data loss for some of my clients is more costly than the price of a server. Our normal units these days are 1 kva and I’ve got a bunch of those as spares. I found my old o-scope a few months ago and when I get the time I’ll have to do some testing.

That being said there are probably many of these units out there, power conditioners or UPS’s, and many more thrown away. Electronic surplus houses, flea markets, military surplus. Ebay has an old 325-watt Oneac for $125.00 That’s ridiculous for such a tiny output. Current liability and litigation happy people make many company’s loathe to sell or give away anything no longer useful to them. What if they sold a used ups that got shorted in a dangerous way due to rough handling during shipment? A billion $ company has deep pockets.

Thanks, Geno

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Any UPS/Inverter Experts Out There??
« on: May 27, 2006, 10:49:35 AM »
Its internally selected for 208 single phase. It can be set up for 120 and 240 also.

Default frequency limits are ±3% and are selectable but to what limits the manual doesn't state. Thats nice.

Its good that my ST will probobly be OK. I have a client who spent good $ on a, computer grade genset for a big computer. The only way the UPS will turn on is if the generator has at least a 30% load. We have to hook up a 2000 watt load at the generator. Space heater or something. That was fun figuring out.

This thing also does a battery and inverter test at selectable intervals (24 hrs by default) I find it amazing that the batteries are any good at all. They are at least 10 years old and are probobly the originals. The final test report is from 1992! These people have been my client for years. I even installed this thing.

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Lister Based Generators / Any UPS/Inverter Experts Out There??
« on: May 26, 2006, 11:20:29 PM »
Model: FD5.3KVA
Manufacturer: Best Power Technology.

If the batteries on this thing ever die I can probably get it for free.
It was put into service around 12 years ago and has survived many lightning strikes in and around the building. There has been no maintenance on it in 10 years.

My main use would be to provide clean, constant voltage/frequency to my equipment/house.

If I hooked it up would It be more efficent to strap my ST head at 120 or 240?

It’s a big inverter but I don’t, at this time, have a good use for it.
Any comments on practical uses of any kind would be appreciated.

My main question is: Will my ST head provide clean enough power for it to even turn on. Newer UPS’s won’t turn on without good clean power.

The manual shows a 90% efficiency. Is clean power a good trade off to a 10% loss.

Its also got a 70 amp. break before make bypass switch. I can find a use for that!

Thanks, Geno




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Listeroid Engines / Columbia University Study On Listeroids
« on: May 21, 2006, 04:41:08 PM »
There is a new link and page on the utterpower.com website which should be of great interest to all of us. This is the exact type of exposure and testing that Listeroids need if they are ever to be recognized as efficient, economical and clean sources of power to the people who make the BIG decisions on their future. A Columbia University study has the validity to put my back yard, mad scientist experiments to shame.
http://www.utterpower.com/modi.htm
http://www.me.columbia.edu/me3410/spring06/group01/index.html
I've only looked it over briefly so far.

I registered a new domain name this morning (http://www.genedevera.com )  and will be putting lots of information there including a description of, and a link to the project.

Anyone who can promote and spread information on this project should. If you have a website where you can put a link to and description of the project, even better.

http://listerengine.com/  certainly gets a lot more, and the right kind of traffic than mine does. Perhaps a link to and brief description of the project could help us all. The home page sure would be nice.  ;)

Thanks, Geno

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Governor advise
« on: May 21, 2006, 04:29:38 PM »
The bolt will come out when the studs for the cam cover are removed and you can move the cam cover a bit so the pivot bolt is clear of the flywheel.

Addition: The above might be wrong but its real close. My pivot bolt did the same thing but it did come out without removing the flywheel. Take out the studs, the pump and fiddle with it. Mine is a pile of parts right now so I cant look at it to jog my memory. I do remember driving out the pin on the shutdown lever so maybe that has something to do with it.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Governor advise
« on: May 20, 2006, 11:45:58 PM »
You may know this but if you remove the cam cover studs with channel locks or double nuts you get a lot more clearance to remove the cover.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Another Gib Key Saga
« on: May 19, 2006, 12:46:51 AM »
I once put so much lube in a motorcycle throttle cable it clogged up the carb (mikuni flat slide, it ran right into the carb) I got stuck several miles in the woods.

My point: I have “over maintained” equipment to the point I’ve burnt myself. Not even time will tell if I’ve done it this time. I’ve heard experienced people from both sides of the fence comment on if inspecting/replacing the crank bearings is needed. I decided to do it and I’ve probably got 15-20 hours into it.

GET A PROPER PULLER

Both flywheels are off, the crank is on the bench. I have a small drill groove in the flywheel and the crank is untouched. My drill bit wandered up a bit or something. Key material was soft. I made 3 guides and spaced them out evenly.

Paul: My crank slot went past the end of the key so finding the end was easy. My flywheel has a rough, recessed, channel, about an inch wide in the middle. (Your broached area perhaps) It’s as if they didn’t have the quality tools to machine the whole way through. I don’t know if this caused my problems. Rocking did nothing to break or deform the key. Pulling the flywheel over it is another story.

GET A PROPER PULLER

I was able to borrow a proper puller for the other side and the key started moving before I knew it. The funny thing is that I poured the Jameson’s on the other side! Perhaps my frugal Irish ancestors were trying to tell me something. Don’t waste good Whiskey!

I just got done and don’t feel like doing anything else tonight or taking pictures. I’m disappointed yet happy for the learning experience and glad its over.

Have I forgot to mention:

GET A PROPER PULLER

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Another Gib Key Saga
« on: May 17, 2006, 01:34:03 AM »
I could'nt upload either. I'm busy tonight.  Here are 2 of Mikes pics. It looks like a beast.
http://www.sprucemtsurplus.com/temp/L-usa1.jpg
http://www.sprucemtsurplus.com/temp/L-usa2.jpg

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