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Engines / Re: Would you use this connecting rod?
« on: March 20, 2008, 02:16:21 PM »
All this talk about quality is good, I did import some engines about a year ago, and I went out of my way to get the best available.  I spoke with 4 manufacturers, and in the end chose to do business with Atul, who makes the Powerline brand.  I made it very clear that I was willing to pay up for quality, and that sand was unacceptable.  He assured me that meeting these requirements was possible and he would deliver a top quality product. 

I requested a build report for each engine, where the various components were measured against an acceptable spec range that was provided before the order was placed.  Each assembler would then sign the “build sheet” and the production manager would have an accountability trail.  Each engine that went out had this build report in it.  The idea being that if there is at least some level of accountability to a set of predefined measures, the quality would be improved.  This is also very easy to audit/ verify by the end user.  I have had no reports that anything was out of spec.  Because of the EPA and hassle factors I never got into the business in a meaningful way.  Had I decided to get more involved, I would have built upon this first step. 

While this is in no means the answer to all of the problems, it is a very simple and free step in the right direction.  So for anyone else who sells these things, why not verify that the major parts are built to spec.

Scott

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Engines / Re: Would you use this connecting rod?
« on: March 19, 2008, 02:41:37 AM »
If you want to meet the customers expectation, set the bar low that it impossible to dissapoint him 

The "kit" is nothing more then a way to shift the EPA risk from the seller to the buyer, (who is now the manufacturer of record in the eyes of the EPA).

The  generally accepted notion that all engines from India are filled with sand is utter nonsense.  You get what you pay for.  I bought engined from PEC / Anand, the poweline brand.  They were not the low bid.  I ran mine straight out of the crate, no tear down, rebuild etc.  The others that bought did the same, I have had no reports of sand, curry or other nasties in the engines. 

The engines run fine and I expect they will continue to do so for a long time.  They even run well on non standard fuel, veg oil and heated filtered motor oil.

If you are willing to do business with a vendor that expects sand why should you, the buyer expect anything different?

In the end the bad part has been replaced, thats all you can ask for.

Scott

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: ATT: Scott RE: WMO
« on: March 11, 2008, 03:05:48 AM »
rbodell

Since you are only using the diesel to reduce viscosity, you may be able to save quite a bit of money by using some heat rope around the high pressure line.  Have a 2 tank system, start and stop on diesel then switch to 100% wmo.

 To pre warm the fuel, run the wmo through ¼” copper wrapped around the exhaust pipe so it will flow easily through the pump, when heated to 250 deg F (after the pump) with hear rope it should flow like diesel.

It seems worth a try, the parts should cost <$20 and annualized you could save some real money as diesel approaches $4 per gallon.

If you do give it a shot let us know how it goes.

Scott

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General Discussion / Re: New Personal Message: Crossed the line
« on: March 06, 2008, 02:37:32 PM »
Rbodell

I know this is off topic of this thread, but can you please go into some detail on how you prepare your used motor oil prior to mixing/burning?  Specifically
Do you heat the injector line?
What micron level to you filter to?
What is the max used oil to diesel ratio you have used without heating
What is the max used oil to diesel ratio you have used with heating
And most importantly what were the results?

As free fryer oil becomes more scarce, UMO seems an obvious substitute.  Any insight you may have will be most appreciated by me and the group as a whole

Thanks
Scott

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Pics of your veggie fueled listeroid
« on: March 06, 2008, 02:21:10 AM »
the heat rope is powered by 120v AC

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Pics of your veggie fueled listeroid
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:13:10 AM »
to preheat the fuel before the pump, use some 1/4 copper tube and wrap around the exhaust pipe a few time close to the head.  This works well, I have used this arrangement for about 250 running hours.  If you are concerned about the copper becoming brittle due to vibration, use automotive break line.  After the pump, you can use heat rope to get the fuel temp to 250-300f pretty easily read this thread for post pump heating:

http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=1173.msg16353#msg16353

Scott

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Residential Silencer - Underground !
« on: February 19, 2008, 07:12:34 PM »
I have an underground exhaust.  The exhaust is routed outside of the gen shed via 2" black pipe into the top of a buried 30 gallon drum.  The exhaust exits out of the top and into a gentle bend into 4" black corrugated drainage pipe.  After a run of 51 hrs the plastic was only warm to the touch.

This system quiets the noise enough for me to run at night.

Scott

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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Changfa Radiator - (Repaired link)
« on: February 18, 2008, 03:20:34 AM »
test it with a multimeter

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Carbon issues
« on: February 17, 2008, 04:21:40 AM »
John
Clean everything out.
Run the engine for 60hrs,
Starting and stopping on diedel.  Do not switch over to veg till the engine is up to temp, 200f, and make sure ALL OF THE veg oil is purged prior to shutting down. 

Scott

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 17, 2008, 02:37:26 AM »
Bruce you mention low rpm  propane, did I miss something, this is a diesel engine.  Unless there is a conversion kit avaliable then this is apples to oranges.  But with that said, you have a good point, using propane or nat gas the engine would run forever.  Take a look at Marathon engines, they sell an engine set that is ment to be cogen. 

Scott

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Listeroid Engines / Re: EPA Certified engine
« on: February 16, 2008, 07:12:54 PM »
Chris
If your target market is the type of person who frequents this board, I think you will have a hard time selling any substantial number of prenium engines.  You need to keep in mind that the members here are typically of the "frugal" nature.  I just have a hard time seeing someone here spending $3000 for a 6/1.

I am notsaying that that a premium engin shouldn't carry a premium price, I just think the members here would rather buy a barebones engine that they can tinker with.

Or I could be wrong

Good luck

Scott

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Preparing for extended run times
« on: February 16, 2008, 03:47:03 AM »
OK I have some more fuel consumption data. 

Gal used     time in hrs    prod in kwh     consumption gal/hr      gal per kwh     gallon yield in kwh
  4                 14.5         21.381                 .275                        .187            5.33

These figures are not as good as the other day.  I had similar results to these the day before, but can't locate the actual #'s
One problem I have identified is that the generator room itself is too hot.  I measured it last night of at least 112f and the gen head was almost too hot to touch.  I need to increase the cool air into the room, it is well insulated and pretty tight.  I opened the door a little and the voltage went up. I can see this in the data collected by the inverter.

Another problem is when I am running it at 380rpm, the belt slips and this robs power and is slowly chewing up the belt, there is a fine black rubber dust accumulating on the gen head.

I can also add mass to the gen head by adding a 13" pulley that weighs 80+lbs this should help carry the gen head through to the next combustion stroke.  Another option is to get a larger pulley, right now I have a 5" pulley I am thinking of getting a 6"

Thats all for now.

Scott

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Carbon issues
« on: February 16, 2008, 12:01:58 AM »
here is the study you requested. 

http://www.me.columbia.edu/me3410/spring06/group01/index.html


Scott

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Carbon issues
« on: February 15, 2008, 09:01:47 PM »



Have you processed the oil to remove the glycerin ? Oil burns, glycerin is goo.

It is my understanding that glycerin is created once the catalyst methanol/lye mix is added during the manufacture of biodiesel.  Glycerin is created only when transesterification occurs.   

If this is incorrect someone whith a chemistry back ground will correct the above statement.

Scott

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General Discussion / Re: One person's ideas on taxes
« on: February 15, 2008, 03:13:11 AM »

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.




Scott

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