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Listeroid Engines / Re: Cooling question???
« on: February 19, 2006, 02:18:07 PM »
If you have the space, the simplest idea is an old 40 gallon water tank - it already has the appropriate NPT fittings.  Mount it higher than the engine, run straight lines and thermosiphon.  Costs little and is easy to do.  Open up the top (cut it off with a grinder or some such thing), run your lines from the engine to the tank, plug the holes you don't need, fill with water (or antifreeze if necessary) and off you go.  There are several good pics on George's website and the CD.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: The Brand Roundup
« on: February 16, 2006, 10:37:32 PM »
It is possible that the newer Ashwamegh gears are better - they have certainly received enough complaints about the old ones!

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Listeroid Engines / Re: The Brand Roundup
« on: February 16, 2006, 06:41:12 PM »
As Joe alluded to, the concensus now is that the stamping on the idlers is a bit of a red herring.....It seems that the major problem with the gears (and I had both the idler and the cam gear fail in my Aswamegh 25) is poor casting AND using less than enough material.  From what I have seen the stamping may cause the gear to fail sooner rather than later, but with such a poor castings they are doomed to failure regardless. 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Red Green Show
« on: February 16, 2006, 01:32:35 PM »
The thing that scares me about Red Green is that I can see, in everything he does, a grain (ok, maybe a bit less) of a good idea.....I thiink it's just me, I need help.......

John F.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: The Brand Roundup
« on: February 14, 2006, 10:12:13 PM »
While I don't presume to speak for George at Utterpower, I don't think he now has the same opinion of Aswamegh as he had when he wrote that piece.  That was written before he discovered the problems with their gear train.  The rest of the engine is strong, but they really did cheap out on the gears, resulting in a probable failure rate in excess of 25%.  That appears to have been solved with the retrofitting of the bronze idler but quite frankly it should not have happened in the first place. 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Idler gear remove and replace tips?
« on: February 07, 2006, 07:16:27 PM »
The aluminium gears are fine, unless you have a machine that has too little lash on either the crankshaft side or the camshaft side.  In that case it will wear very quickly - I put one in a Vidhata 12/2 and it was worn out in about 400 hours.  I think the problem with (some of) the twins is that the pilot hole that goes through the crankcase for the idler gear is out by a few thousands of an inch and that causes excessive strain on the gears, which contributes to premature wear and failure.  Ally that with a poorly cast idler and failure is pretty inevitable.  I have been toying with the idea of making an offset shoulder on the idler bolt so the lash could be adjusted.  Need a "round tuit" though! 

Everyone should go inside their engine and mark the crakn and cam gear placements to make sure you can replace an idler in th event of catastrophic failure.  If that is not done, there is a pretty easy way to get correct timing within a tooth or so.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Keeping track of your hours
« on: February 05, 2006, 11:19:10 PM »
I use two Kill-o-Watts - one in the genshed and one in the house - that way I can watch the voltage/frequency at a glance.  I have noticed that if I do a slow switch-over from one genny to the other (about 1 second without power) the Kill-o-Watts will show blank.  I think they just don't have time to re-set, as others have mentioned, it's just a matter of unplugging an dreplugging

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Keeping track of your hours
« on: February 04, 2006, 08:29:25 PM »
I also use an hour meter attached to the genhead.  I got the meter from the local John Deere dealer, it is a standard tractor part.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Wonderfull News
« on: February 03, 2006, 01:49:56 AM »
Let me see now - Willem is not a common name but yet - same name as Diesebill and the proprieter of Old Style Listers......Coincidence?  I think not........

As for the EPA regs - they make NO distinction between BioD or DinoD - they are all lumped under "compression ignition"  The only good news is those of us in Kanukistan are not being subject to the same restrictions (yet) - stationary engines are still allowed.

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Waste Veg Oil
« on: January 29, 2006, 11:02:59 PM »
WVO is easy to use in a Lister.  The only thing you need to remember is that the oil has to be reasonably hot when it gets to the injectors.  That is pretty easy to do, you can either run a line from the water jacket in the engine through the oil tank, or have the engine and oil tank in an insulated building that keeps it pretty warm.  I do the latter, when the engine is running it gets up to about 90 - 100F in there, easily enough to pre-heat the oil.  As for the dual tanks, I actually have 3, one for diesel or bio and two for WVO.  The fuel lines run down the side of my water jacket lines into a common three into one brass fitting (you can find them in the air tools section of your local hardware store).  Make sure this fitting is close to the engine so when you do a change over to dino/bioD it doesn't take too long. I strip off the onboard filter and use filter in each line to make the change over quicker.  I have two WVO tanks so that I can be running on one while I fill the other and give time for the oil to settle - that is probably overkill because I filter the stuff pretty well  but I have the space. 
if you need to know anything else I'd be happy to give you a more detailed explanation.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Importation EPA ban.
« on: January 29, 2006, 10:31:20 PM »
I took the heads off the 12/2 after 2000 hours of WVO.  Carboning was not too bad, although it had begun to build up round the exhaust valve.  My buddy is now using a fuel conditioner from Macewen's (a local fuel company) and he thinks that the carbon problem is solved.  I'll probably put a propane injection system on teh new ones to see if that keeps it clean.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Importation EPA ban.
« on: January 29, 2006, 07:23:58 PM »
Hi guys;

Yes, I do sell these engines in Canada and yes, I have over 3,000 hours on a 12/2 using WVO.  My buddy (the one with the dog) has over 4500 hours on his 12/2 on WVO.  He is indeed off grid and has been for 8 months, as previously mentioned.  I would have been right there along with him, but I had some serious problems with my engines.  The 12/2 (Vidhata) ran for about 2,000 hours then broke a camshaft.  A real horror story to fix that!  Then the 25/2 (Ashwamegh) cracked the cam gear - the webbing on the gear was too thin and yes, there are index marks stamped in the wheel.  I am in the process of replacing those two engines (a 20/2 and a 6/1) with ones from Joel Koch.  They should be up and running in the next month, and I expect to be joining the off-grid bunch by midsummer.  Sometimes, sh.. just happens.  But the good thing - I KNOW how to fix a broken Lister!

Cheers,

John F.

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Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Waste Veg Oil
« on: January 21, 2006, 09:29:39 PM »
I currently (say that because I'm changing engines) run a 12/2 and a 25/2 on WVO.  My buddy runs a 12/2 on WVO also, he has been off-grid for over 8 months now.  Listers love WVO!  Between the two of us, we have over 6,00 hours of WVO runnning on the two 12/2 engines, no problems.  I pulled the heads on my 12 after 2,000 hours and de-coked, build up was not too bad.  I'm looking into Propane injection to lessen the carbon build-up to virtually nothing.  I'd be happy to share experiences if anyone wants to email me.

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