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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 31, 2011, 03:43:22 PM »

The rapid piston ring and bore wear now seems to have a few people thinking, and when you look at the shear volume of ash from burning WMO it all starts to make sense.


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 31, 2011, 01:12:45 PM »

Still no reply from mobile bob,
Well I suppose he was one of the main people disregarding my findings and as the evidence mounted to support my results he has gone very quiet  ;D


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 31, 2011, 08:55:12 AM »
Spencer I tried to look at the video but our wifi at work is so slow you get about 2 words out then it pauses for about 5 or 6 seconds. You almost forget what you hear. I did notice a large bowl of powder. I wonder if it would have a street value. Just kidding. Im sure the UK has no drug problem over there. I am pretty sure WMO will not go into my VA since it is rare and not easy to rebuild. If I come up with enough spare parts I might still run in the CE since it is easier to rebuild. I am still looking forward to see where the oil washing post goes. It would be nice if that resolved. Thanks for your work. Mike DD

Thanks for taking the time to look at the video  :)
When you are able to watch it fully you might change your mined about putting WMO any where near your engines fuel system  :o
This was the final nail in the coffin as the shear volume of ash is horrifying and feeding an engine a constant diet of that makes no sense.  :'(
I have pm mobile bob and asked for his comments on my new video but so far he's been very quiet.  ;D


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 30, 2011, 07:58:41 PM »

Check out the links to the vids of the gent who distills diesel from WMO that I just posted.  Interesting approach that might solve the problem.




I have had a look ,thanks.
I have seen the videos before but I did not think I was going to encounter the problems I have found so did not consider it necessary and so disregarded it.
I did wonder if I could also produce the 9 litres per day every day that I need.
This idea was mention to me on the other forum and I really started to consider it and got quite excited. ;D
Then another credible member posted that the additives will also vaporise with the oil as well, then I suddenly realised that my vaporising pan WMO heater works on the same principle and all above the vaporising pan is masses of white ash which must have also vaporised with the oil. :'(   


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 30, 2011, 07:18:34 PM »

Very interesting findings in your video.

Simply amazing the ash content.

Definitely would tend to act like an abrasive.

Much to think about!




Hi Steve,
I am glad you have taken the time to look at the video.
I was also truly shocked at the sheer volume of the ash and it's no wonder my engine has suffered such extreme bore and ring wear in a short time.
Just the large amount of volume is  amazing.
I have now stopped my generator project and see no future in carrying on with it.


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 30, 2011, 04:13:23 PM »
I have uploaded a video onto Youtube today speaking about my findings when burning wmo in my Lister cs generator.

Link below


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 07:47:51 PM »
Spencer I watched both videos twice. I have to say it is a very nice system. First what is the second motor hooked. Could not tell if it was electric or a pump? Next do you feel the engine was running hot enough? there is a guy in NZ that has has some pretty extensive research with WVO and I have emailed to see if he has experimented with WMO and his findings are run the compression high and run the engine hot. I noticed you were able to swipe you finger across the exhaust less than 12 inches from the engine. I also noted you water was 160. I wonder what if any would change if you maintained 190* water and I would think the exhaust should be so hot you could even think about even touch it. It is a nice video. Mike DD

Hi DD,
The second motor connected between the cooling tank and the engine is a dynamo which is charging up the forklift battery, that's the one in the black metal case on the jack truck.
The other batteries on the floor are just the starting batteries.
The dynamo is a 1250 watt second world war radio battery charger, the green box on the floor which I fiddle with contains the controls for it.
Don't forget the temp gauge is at the top of a thermosyphon system, so the engine is hotter than the gauge reads.
The thermostat is 85 degs and  the exhaust is , just went out and measured it but the battery in my laser temp guns a bit crappy and it's between 180 and 260 degs with about 2000 watts of load.
The engine burns all the WMO completely with out smoke and only ash formation and no black carbon.
This wear problem ,just my opinion is caused by abrasion from the ash which is formed from burn additives and is not related to any possible bad running or bad burning of the fuel.
I have sent bob a pm asking him to comment on the video and the white ash on the exhaust but so far no reply.


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 01:45:35 PM »
Spencer when I got home I went ahead and looked it up. It was the SOM correct. It looked pretty good. I cant wait to get mine. As for the CE and CD what is cheap. I am pretty taped out but parts for these critters are hard to find. I hope when you do your next video you get a little more light. Or maybe it was just my eyes. Please check on the engines before someone else get them. Thanks

But did you check out my other vid's ,you must click on the vid called Lister cs 6/1 som part 2 and you will see clearly the white ash.
As for the CD, CE there of no interest to me but I can put you I contact with the guy.

Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 12:52:29 PM »
At least the CE has liners so if you could get some replacements then you can change if needed
Are you sure your Petter is a genuine Petter and not an Indian copy? as I don't recall Petter making an engine with two flywheels in air cooled
I know a man local to me who has a CE and a CD for sale cheaply, there a bit rusty but not seized

Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 12:42:50 PM »
Please go to youtube and type in Lister CS WMO and click on the video with the user name of taliespencer
I have 7 videos and one of them clearly shows the white ash that I keep talking about.
It's the video marked as Lister cs 6/1 som part 2 that shows the white ash on a exhaust joint and the exhaust exit also which is showing how clear the exhaust gases coming out are.
I will post a new video about the ash soon.


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 12:23:57 PM »
Spencer actually I do have some Lister's.  I had a 24/2 that I sold to generate money for buying some engines in the UK. I have a 6 hp aircooled Petter which it will be used for experimenting with WMO and natural gas. Then I have my little pink petter for breast cancer which will run on WVO at shows.My goal from this post is to see the best possible way I can use WMO then use it on my engines I am getting from the UK. So you are right my input is from reading and more reading and listening to all aspects. I told you in a PM I really thought you had a great deal to share but you become stuck on just one thing. It cant be all bad. DD

Hi DD,
I'm thing 24/2 is a Listeroid right? ,6 hp Petter is probably a PH1 ,I like my Petter PH engines and have 4 of them, only my opinion but 50/50 mix they still fouled up there injector tips.WVO I would love to use and works very well but just to had to get as every ones after it.Just my opinion but I would not run WMO in your lovely Listers but use it in a wet lined roid as parts are cheap and easy
 to replace.


Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 11:50:45 AM »
Please do not take any of the posts to personally
We all have a common interest
I will do a video and put it on youtube and post the link.

Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 11:45:30 AM »
bob and DD,
You only read the bits you like and I have not posted other peoples thoughts and theory
Why did you both not post your long term results and factual information on this subject before?  We all know you have no long term testing and DD has not even got his Lister yet which bob thinks are not as good as his CHINESE copy.

Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 11:34:10 AM »
All I wanted to do was tell people want I have found from experience and talking to other people and research
If these facts where there for me to read 2 years ago then I would not be here to day
If this post stops other people from reading misinformation on the subject and they under stand all the pit falls then this can only be a good thing right?
I wish that the problem with abrasive ash was not there and then I suppose every one would be using it as diesel fuel  but then WMO would have a value, and the fact it's not commercially processed in to diesel is some indication of the costly problems involved in it's chemical make up.

Waste Motor Oil / Re: Danger engine damage
« on: January 29, 2011, 11:12:05 AM »

if you are so friggin brilliant, answer me one simple question

why did it take you 1700 hundred hours to determine that wmo was bad for
your engine?

at approx 1700 hours you report that the engine was completely worn out,
its hard for me to imagine that someone such as yourself that is so enamored with
his engine would have continued to run his engine up until its complete destruction.

you refer to my simple hour or two test as though that is a bad thing, first of all
you have no idea how many hours i have had this engine running on the test bed, second i am running it in a tightly controlled manner and if i found any signs of distress i would be stopping and finding out why.

i don't understand why you would continue to run an engine on a fuel that was rapidly wearing out your engine unless it was either acceptable or you had no clue
that there was a problem until it was too late. i suspect that the latter was the case, and if so you probably never so much as lifted the head to decarbon or do anything until such time as it wouldn't start properly or couldn't carry the load any longer.
then you found a trashed engine, and like many folks these days it is far easier to blame it on anything but ones own neglect.

something just doesn't smell right, and i am pretty sure it ain't my feet.

bob g

Your the one who bangs on about proper testing and writing down result, you love that sort of way of going about it where as I am more hands on and less theory

But for you to dismiss my findings as not accurate is not on.AT LEAST I HAVE AN HOUR METER FITTED AND YOU HAVE NOT that's not very scientific or accurate.

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