Rob AKA rcavictim on this forum has tried it in a small chinese diesel.
Check his previous posts!

I do not think Changfa is ever going to get EPA certifications. I'm told by Changfa that this is not a plan. This is a 3rd world engine and Changfa sells a lot more engines in China and other Asian countries that they could ever sell to the average buy-and-throw-away consumers in America. They are not going to spend thousands making this KISS engine an electro-technologic gizmo only for the few slow-speed aficionados of us. Even VW stopped producing the 2006 Golf/Jetta diesel engines because it needed a major redesign to comply with 2007 new EPA regualtions. China has other diesel engines that seem to have a wider market in America like the 385, 395, 495 as found in generators and Jinma tractors. Of course, these are EPA certified; the market for typical hobby farm boomers wanting tractors and generators is bigger than the one for people like us looking for cheap/fun power! Just my two cents.

BTW, I agree that the engine mounted radiators are not as bad as we think. I sell more and more. It makes the engine a little more Plug-And-Play-And-...Forget. No wonder why the water seal ring is the number one selling part, people just forget to add water in the hopper.

Pat

Don't worry about the 1110 weights
1115 has some comon parts with the 1110.
Your CR Bearing halves should also have 1110 printed on them.
This is the way chinese parts number works!
They would stamp the smallest engine that a part would fit on.
It doesn't mean that this part could not go on a bigger engine.
Check the user manual, many part numbers start by S1100, or even S195 for the fuel filters.

If anyone needs parts, this is a good time before the spring rush and.... my summer vacations!!!!
I have more time these days for making package deals.

BTW, my spring08 order is being manufactured. For the next 7 days or so, I can still add to it. Its the right time for uncomon engines and special parts request!

Pat

Unless space is limted, I would get a 180 or 185. The cost is not much more than a 175. You will get an engine running at a slower speed and a counter balancing shaft. I have 170, 175 and 185 in stock. I can try to accomodate your budget.

nate_o23,

If you already have the listereroids 6/1, I would definetively try it but I would certainly not design a system to run a 2Ton/day press with that engine. 12HP is the suggested power to run that press, then you have a little left over power to play with RPM and to keep your engine happy!

Pat

The air compressor idea is a good one GuyFawkes    Also, I wonder if these engine would make a good piston water pump? Many old piston water pump look like engines. It's not that I really want to pump water with my Lister block but still, I think it would work at customs saying that, plus it could probably be done for real.

Also, what about the Military engine way Just thinking out loud... People buy all kind of surplus (non-EPA) military engines. As far as I know they are still considered military engines after being released to the civilian world. In 10 years or so, the military will be selling large amount of non-EPA surplus engines. Does a military engine needs to be owned by the military? And what about ordering a foreign Military engine like people do for Unimogs... I'm pretty sure the Indian military must be using Listeroids and Petteroids. Actually, I think the US and Canadian military do have some Lister-Petter brand engines for pumps and power generations... Ok, no one will try this one but it's weird that a government is the only one that doesn't need to follow it's own regulations. Ya, I know fighting the Terrorists is always a good reason for doing anything. I bet you the military probably has more non-EPA engines than the number of Listeroids in USA right now.

About the EPA folks. I don't think they have ressources for going after the illegal Listeroids out there! What does the typical EPA enforcement officer looks like? If they do exist, they probably have enough job searching for real pollution like around factories, power plants. Also, they must be very busy making sure all engine manufacturers comply... As far as I know, no one is concerned about the UL officers finding their non-UL certified ST head.  EPA is a regulation office, not the FBI. 

Just my 2 cents.

Hello,

Having the engine on a generator might confuse the regular custom officer but it still doesn't make the engine legal as per the new EPA laws.

Any engine or engine equipped machine sold in USA must now comply with the new EPA regulations for it's category. Being an engine only or a generator (or lawnmower, truck, ATV), it would still need to be certified. The regulation might be a little different depending on category (Stationary, off-road engines, on-road engines...) but every machine still needs to be certified except for military engines, model engines, and a few others not really applicable for a Lister.

The only way you could get away if you need to import an engine in the US from Canada are:
(For educational purpose ONLY)


1. Import a pre April 06 engine
New EPA law didn't not apply then and engine made before that date are exempted to comply to the new law.

2. Import the engines in pieces as spare parts (be careful here not to get the hole engine shipped at once)

Some US dealers are already importing parts from India selling them as kit. Selling a complete engine would be illegal unless you are an EPA certified manufacturer. Bringing over an Indian made engine from Canada looks easier than building the engine from a kit. You would be sure that all parts will be there and that the engines was factory tested.

3. Pick up the engine yourself in Canada, import it personally under informal entry (2000USD or less).

I have reports that some custom officers don't even know what EPA means!
There is no way that the guy at the border can know all regulations on all products.
Personal imports by US citizens are not the top priority of custom officers, they have enough job with other more important things.
They might check inside the box but they are not looking for the manufactured date, there are looking for you know what... (Undocumented workers, Terrorists, drugs, nuclear weapons, and anything else to justify their jobs...)

BTW, I'm sold out. I have no more pre-april06 Listers (Except for few Petteroids and my personal Listeroid). When I get my next batch, I don't see why I would not sell an engine to an American Tourist. We all know that these new EPA regulations on stationary engines should not include hobby engines 50HP or less.

Email me if you have any questions!

Good luck!


PAT

Hello Doug,

I'm asking 1500$can. These are made by Kissan. We are Kissan's Canadian distributor. We are working directly with this manufacturer, not an exporter who would get his engines from the lowest bidder.

The 12HP Petter clone is still in the crate. I haven't opened the crate yet. I have only inspected and ran the 4HP mini-Petter, the quality and finish are good. It's obvious that Petters are a lot more popular than Lister in India thus all the efforts invested into quality to compete locally.

Here is what I know:
Bore 102mm, stroke 115mm, TRB bearings, 1500RPM, oil pump.
I know that the indians are pushing these to 1800RPM to make 60Hz generators.
No flywheel adaptor.
Manufactured Feb/06 (before the new EPA regualtion)

If you are interested, I could investigate more. What would you use it for?

Cheers,

PAT