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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: September 02, 2021, 01:13:07 PM »
So it looks like even if his alternator doesn't have an output we can modify it so it does, next is to get my hands on the tacho to see if that works. When I saw him Sunday he was on about trying to get a Winter mooring Oct-Mar so if he does, even though he's 160 miles away I might be able to get down & do a few jobs, problem is currently we daren't do too much in one go as he has to be able to cruise every day.

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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: September 02, 2021, 09:49:41 AM »
Found this Utube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yguFw2V1F2M on Alternators

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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: August 31, 2021, 12:59:23 PM »
Sorry Celsius

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General Discussion / Re: Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 31, 2021, 07:49:00 AM »
Apologies I didn't seem to get an email of your reply, he owns it, he bought it last October, but he has very little mechanical experience other than cycles, he's 44, lives in London & as such has never had a vehicle, doesn't even have a driving license of any kind. He's on a very steep learning curve, all the problems are fixable, the only issue is he's now on his way back to London which makes it more difficult for me to meet up to help him.

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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: August 31, 2021, 07:43:32 AM »
Just to close out this part of the story for those who are interested I hate threads that don't have a resolution. On Sunday I travelled down to near Milton Keynes & fitted an electrical sender & gauge, I would have gone with a capillary but wasn't sure of the route, but once installed & he set off again it sits nicely just over 80 degrees. Not sue how accurate it is but that's not the important thing, if 80 is the normal he now has a visual on the not normal.

Thanks for everybody's input.

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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: August 16, 2021, 07:02:19 PM »
Tacho as seen in the image is electric, which I'm led to believe works from the alternator, however whether the alternator supports driving a tacho, I don't know. I'll have to get back onboard to make further investigation, only issue now is I'm getting further away from the boat as it cruises South.

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General Discussion / Re: 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: August 16, 2021, 08:19:30 AM »
I have only a very poor image of the sender, I was leaned over a running engine I should have checked it & realised how poor it was.



This is the panel that is in the boat, but we're not sure if it has ever worked with this engine as the anecdotal history says the engine was replaced with a recondition one around 5 years ago, but we don't know if it was of the same type or not.



But nothing works on the panel apart from the stater button & the ignition warning light which is just floating in the back of the panel.

I think as suggested the obvious answer is to remove the existing sender & gauge, by a matched set & get a convertor to go from the large current thread to a more usual one, somebody has suggested it might be 5/8th UNF is that likely?

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General Discussion / Re: Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 16, 2021, 07:58:48 AM »
Hopefully the engine oil and filter have been done since the fuel system was not. May well be worth doing the sir filter too. By doing all of these then you have a base line as to what has been done.
Neither the oil or the air filter have been done at present, the local chandlers didn't have the right ones in, but he's going to call in each marina on his way to see if they have. TBH when I looked at the air filter I've never seen on as bad as the current one is, I can't imagine how many years it's been in there.

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General Discussion / 3 pin Temperature Sender
« on: August 15, 2021, 06:44:32 PM »
ST2W nephews engine, no gauges work, he has a Thornycroft panel but nothing is connected. On the outlet manifold on engine he has what looks like a 3 pin temperature sender, I suspected a live, a resistored feed to go back to the panel & a NO switch which closes on hot to put a light on the panel. However putting a meter across all 3 pins in any combination I get no readings at all.

So does anyone know if my assumptions are correct, have a wiring diagram for it & finally where are we likely to get a replacement?

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General Discussion / Re: Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 15, 2021, 06:40:57 PM »
Thanks for all the advice guys, when I left on Friday night the nephew took off the remaining filter a small one near the top of the engine with the bleed screw in. He says it was as bad if not worse than the other one we did, he got a replacement from the chandlers & cranked the engine over, fuel came spurting out within seconds, so it looks like the lift pump is good after-all & it was just clogged up filters due to lack or nil maintenance/services.

He set off down the canal today & is making good if slow progress, he's into a 15mph headwind.

I have a question about a temperature sender but will start another thread.

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General Discussion / Re: Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 14, 2021, 07:09:24 AM »
The lift pump is lower left of the engine, it then goes up by hard pipe into a small filter near the air intake which has a bleed screw on it, which we have bled from by manually operating the lift pump, this is the highest point on the circuit. It then drops down via hard pipe(s) to the injectors themselves, we have not touched the injectors. We opened the bleed with the engine running & no diesel came out, which is not what we expected ?

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General Discussion / Re: Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 13, 2021, 07:46:58 PM »
Thank you for your reply it's a mechanical lift pump, is there any logical reason why we can't fit an electric one, I was thinking of one suitable for a car carburettor or am I on the wrong road? The easiest place for us to test the theory is to leave the lift pump in circuit & put the electric one before the 1st filter as that is just 5/16th rubber pipe, then if this works bypass the lift pump does that seem logical?

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General Discussion / Any Lister engine experts in Nottingham?
« on: August 13, 2021, 05:45:12 PM »
My nephew is currently stranded on the Cranfleet Canal in Nottingham, he has a Lister ST2W that we cannot keep running, he was coming down the Trent yesterday & the engine started to struggle & then died. I've been down today & there was a small diesel leak out of the fuel filter, so I cut the pipe back put on a new olive & tightened it up.

We thought we fixed it as it ran for 30+ minutes, but as soon as I took the tools back to the car it died & now we're struggling to get it to run more than 10 minutes. We've changed the main filter from the tank, we've taken the gauze filter out of the lift pump & given it a good clean. The small filter with the bleed (by the cylinder head) is being changed in the morning.

We can manually pump with the lift pump to get diesel to come out of the bleed on the top filter, but once running if we open the bleed no diesel comes out (no idea if it should)

I'm at the end of my knowledge of diesel engines at this point, is there anybody in the area who could take a look, or anybody with knowledge we can call to come out?

Any help would be appreciated.

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