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Waste Vegetable Oil / Thank you
« on: September 20, 2021, 04:47:05 PM »
Nobody here years ago realized that telling me I couldn't run a diesel engine on WMO trips a trigger on me. I hate being told I can't do something, especialy when it doesn't take new technology. I have always been a firm beleiver that older technology is better in many cases. I think proving it can be done is probably one of my greatest achievements. I never thought there would be a special thread for wmo.
Thanks everybody

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Good to see what you have done with WMO
« on: March 22, 2021, 04:29:22 AM »
Quote from: mbryner on December 28, 2014, 08:58:42 AM
Glad to hear from you, rbodell.   I ran WMO for one winter and didn't have trouble except for having to clean the injector a few times.    Nice to hear you've run WMO for so long.   I remember people worried about the acids and debris in WMO.   I don't do anything about the acid, but I tried to de-water and clean it by heating and centrifuging.

Marcus
The acidity will ruin the injector pump

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Things I want to Buy / Re: Wanted listeroid in Alaska
« on: August 01, 2020, 04:01:06 AM »
Quote from: vdubnut62 on December 01, 2019, 04:35:42 AM
Hey Bob! Good to hear from you! I had kept tabs on you and was aware that you had gone 'way up North, I think we had even corresponded after your move.
You seem to be the Guru of slow and slower when it comes to engines and getting by with less.
 At any rate Try Gary at Diesel Electric Service, dieselgman here on the forum. He is a Lister dealer has a place in Kansas and a place in Alaska. He is an importer of listeroids, and I think he still has a few Dursley originals in rebuildable shape.
Good luck!
Ron in Tennessee.

Here is his website with contact info          http://diesel-electric.us/
hay thanks for that, he is just up the road ( so to speak ) I am doing ok with what I have and I won't be around much longer, I just want to leave one for the guy who let me build this cabin on his land. He wants to get some land and build something remote for his kids and this would be perfect power plant. I got the land covered and this all he needs for the power plant.

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Things I want to Buy / Re: Wanted listeroid in Alaska
« on: November 30, 2019, 03:20:26 AM »
For what it's worth, Despite what you may have heard, dog sled is not the only mode of transportation here in Alaska. We actually have automobiles airplanes and boats too. Up here we have his magic green liquid that when mixed with water, the water does not freeze. LOL

I also live on the kenai peninsula where the temperatures seldom get below zero for more than a day or so.

Quote from: rbodell on September 03, 2019, 04:48:44 PM
Haven't been on here much since everybody told me running WMO would ruin my engine LOL
Glad it worked out for you. I no longer live in texas, I now live in Alaska. I am looking for a listeroid and a 3 kw st type generator head for my landlord. His electric bill s 800 to 900 a month. You can run a roid here 24/7 @ 300 rpm to charge batteries on straight diesel for under 300 dollars LOL. I want to set up a power plant for him.
I am not too concerned about condition, he is a diesel mechanic and parts are easy to get.

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Things I want to Buy / Wanted listeroid in Alaska
« on: September 03, 2019, 04:48:44 PM »
Haven't been on here much since everybody told me running WMO would ruin my engine LOL
Glad it worked out for you. I no longer live in texas, I now live in Alaska. I am looking for a listeroid and a 3 kw st type generator head for my landlord. His electric bill s 800 to 900 a month. You can run a roid here 24/7 @ 300 rpm to charge batteries on straight diesel for under 300 dollars LOL. I want to set up a power plant for him.
I am not too concerned about condition, he is a diesel mechanic and parts are easy to get.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Good to see what you have done with WMO
« on: March 01, 2019, 01:46:18 AM »
That engine is a duromax. Lookup a video from rbodell on youtube to see how I get 8 hrs on a gallon.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Good to see what you have done with WMO
« on: September 04, 2018, 08:15:32 PM »
12 inched insulation and 10x14 on the inside. Think about it, at any given time you take up about 3 sq feet of floor space.  What ya gona do with the rest? Heat it? I also use a version of the rocket stove to heat with.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Good to see what you have done with WMO
« on: June 08, 2018, 06:17:01 PM »
Gotta laugh at some of the comments. Some people don't realize that if it works food some and not others, those it didn't  work for, didn't do it right.

I am living off grid and dry in Alaska now. Sure wish I could make power from cold LOL. A 12 volt gasoline generator works best for me at the present. I get 8 hrs/gallon so power only costs about $50 to $75 a month for power. Power here is double every place else. My neighbor has a fan and tv and it costs him $150 a month. I have over 7000 hours on the engine does not burn oil yet. Air cool mower engines are normally good fo a rebuild after 1000

Refrigeration is great. Just cut a hole in the wall into the refrigerator.

I have a 12 volt DC desktop computer and monitor, not an inverter.

I also have an indoor outhouse that doesn't smell in a 12 x 16 cabin.

Oh yes, I only burned 1 1/2 cords of firewood last winter. My neighbors normally burn 10 to 15 cords.

Well, that is about it.

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Waste Motor Oil / Good to see what you have done with WMO
« on: December 07, 2014, 03:44:10 PM »
When I first came here everybody told me that I would ruin my engine running it on WMO and there was absolutely nothing on Youtube on it.. My how times have changed.

My health has declined and  don't get around much any more but I thought I would check into the site and contribute an update.

My engine is still running well. I was showing it to somebody the other day and I said it probably would not start because I had not started it in a couple of years. Assume makes an ass out of me LOL, it started up the first time the piston went past TDC. The fuel system has had WMO in it continuously for something like 8 or 9 years so it looks like my method of checking and treating the PH has worked fine. It also shows that WMO does not go bad like diesel and biodiesel do. Great for long term storage. I got an email from an old friend the other day. he had to pay huge amounts of money to dispose of a thousand gallons of bad diesel fuel that went bad. Now he has decided to take my advice and switch to WMO. Not only is it free, it is good forever.



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Waste Motor Oil / Re: WMO load test
« on: May 18, 2012, 02:54:34 AM »
Quote from: mike90045 on January 07, 2008, 07:51:52 PM
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I am a little confused on why you would adjust the ph in WMO? Adding lye to the oil doesn't seem right to me. And also where do you get litmus paper for WMO?

I think he adds only water for testing, and if it's too acidic, adds both Water & Lye for adjusting and , and uses ordinary everyday litmus paper to test the water.   When the water tests fine, he de-waters the fuel.  At least that's how I'm understanding his process.   WMO tends to acidify while it's in use in the engine (combustion byproducts)

That is exactly correct

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Waste Motor Oil in 1982 diesel Rabbit preliminary results
« on: February 03, 2011, 03:06:31 AM »
Quote from: cujet on March 12, 2008, 12:30:49 AM
I have about 50 gallons of waste motor oil. Nearly all of which is Mobil 1 synthetic. The mix consists of 15-50 M1 from my turbo Miata + power equipment, 10-30 M1 From my Ford F150 (M1 since new, 200K now), M1 ATF from the Ford and some 5-40 Delvac 1 (M1) from my diesels.

I decided to keep it in a series of mid sized barrels for the Listeroid. However, I ran out of room for more oil. So I took the oldest barrel, sitting for a few years and started siphoning the oil from the top. I let the siphon push it through a 0.5 micron Motorguard filter. It takes all night to get a gallon. The oil comes out charcoal amber, with an obvious clean look about it. (not that it was ever dirty).

I mixed it at a ratio of about 1 to 3, oil/JetA.

The results so far are staggering! The car runs very smooth, has much more power and is generally much more pleasant to drive. The throttle response is great!

Some of this is due to the additional viscosity resulting in higher pressures. If effect changing the way the pump operates. Some of this may be due to the additional energy content of motor oil and some due to the effective cetane. I picked up about 10MPH top speed and a good bit of fuel economy too. The car simply takes less throttle (oil) to cruise at any given speed.

In any case, it is a welcome addition to my trusty Diesel Rabbit.

Many people have "guessed' that synthetic oil won't work well, or won't burn well. I find just the opposite.

Chris

My engine has more power and less smoke than on diesel. Listeroids are supposed to have the piston scraped after 700 hours I think. there was nothing to scrape on mine, just a little goo which was not there at 1000 hours when I pulled the head again. Still nothing to scrape.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: centrifuges
« on: February 03, 2011, 03:02:00 AM »
Quote from: toydiesel01 on February 09, 2010, 02:27:05 AM
I was just wondering how many people are using a centrifuge for old used motor oil and what are the down sides ?



bob

I use a Dieselcraft centrifuge. I now have enough of a supply of oil I can let it stand for a year before running the Dieselcraft. It is surprising how little there is left to filter. I can't think f any down sides. You don't have to buy filters. so far I have over 2000 hours on the original golden rod 10 micron fuel filter with gravity feed.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: WMO load test
« on: February 03, 2011, 02:52:01 AM »
Quote from: mobile_bob on January 20, 2008, 04:53:39 AM
one of the coolest things i ever saw in regard to nitrous and a diesel engine
was at seattle international raceway about 5 or 6 years ago

a couple of old dudes brought a single axle Kenworth with a twin turbo 8v71 detroit with an mt40 allison 5 speed with two 120lb
nitrous bottles.

super single rear tires capped as slicks

ran low 11's in the quarter in exhibition

pretty cool, not a top fuel dragster, but it got all us diesel mechanics up off the bleachers :)

bob g

Shuckins, This is my kids school bus leaving the bus stop in the mornings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fgymQBwHIo

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: WMO load test
« on: February 03, 2011, 02:42:23 AM »
Quote from: rbodell on January 07, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: draganof on January 07, 2008, 01:59:21 AM
I just did a 4 hour load test of my 195 with an ST10  on 15-40 WMO today. Nothing fancy, started on diesel and when the engine temp got to 185 degrees  I changed over to WMO. No pre-heat. Oil temp was at 70 degrees. No smoke at all until I reached 9kw then it was a light gray up to 10kw where it started to turn black. The engine seemed to like it. Less noise. Engine temp at 10kw was 210 degrees. I switched back to diesel for 30 minutes prior to shutdown. I think the WMO makes more horsepower than diesel. On diesel the HZ is 62.5 unloaded and 56.0 full load. On WMO the HZ is 62.5 unloaded and 59.3 full load. Not very scientific but educational for me.

John

As an update, I now use 100% wmo. It works fine down to 10 degrees F without starting it on diesel.

I have used wmo in my engine up to 50%. At almost 500 hours I had the head off and found little coking, no corosion and no cylinder damage.

I run my wmo through a dieselcraft centrifuge filter. I do run it a lot longer than necessary, about three hours for around 7 gallons. I process about 7 gallons at a time. I am still running my original Goldenrod 10 micron fuel filter on the engine. I check the PH by taking a little oil and adding some distilled water and shaking it up and let it settle, I then check it with litmus paper. I bring down the PH by adding some Sodium Hydroxide and water and letting it recirculate. Before I found a source of Sodium Hydroxide, I used draino.

I have had no problems so far.


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Waste Motor Oil / Re: WMO load test
« on: February 03, 2011, 02:39:28 AM »
Quote from: draganof on January 07, 2008, 03:52:36 AM
There are thousands of emergency standby generators in Washington State. Some of these sites must pay to have their WMO disposed of. I have sources that donate their oil to me. I don't even charge them for it!

The answer to would I use oil that is of unknown quality? Only during WTSHTF times. But then any oil will be like gold.

I will say this. If I found a source of WVO I would not use WMO. And I would not make BioDiesel out of it. I would filter it and use it as is.

John

I charge people $1 a gallon if they drop off small amounts. I don't make anything on that because not much comes that way but it does pay for oil changes, engine degreaser and grease. If they have a 55 gallon drum I pick it up for free. The best part is that unlike gasoline or even diesel fuel which eventually goes bad, WMO is forever. I have enough that it sets for a year before I even process it so there is already almost nothing in it. It has already settled to the bottom. Whenever I want some more, I just put a "WANTED" request on freecycle.


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