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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 15, 2020, 03:35:59 PM »
Progress has been made today with the cylinder heads for the SR2, I got a surprising phone call from the machine shop, one head was ready and the other one is being done tomorrow , I have been to pick up that one head today and have managed to start the painting process in red craft-master primer and then in the grey primer.

I am now waiting on the new valves, and valve guide materiel to turn up and then I can measure the valves and start to turn the new valve guides on my lathe.

I have also made a start on dissembling the rocker cover for one cylinder and have started shot blasting it, Then the compressor ran out of diesel so off to the garage for 40L diesel for another weeks worth of compressed air.  :P :P ;D































LW

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Engines / Re: Lister JP2 starter motor
« on: July 15, 2020, 03:17:17 PM »
As far as I know, and have done in the past, is to fit a Lister HR2/3 starter motors to Lister JP engines, since the gears are the same as the JP on the HR it should fit with out any issues considering the correct rotation is used, the mounting bracket should be the same as well although a spacer ring may be required to set the motor at the correct depth for the ring gear on the flywheel.

One thing to check for that no one has stated yet is are you sure the voltage is correct for the motor, Some motors I have seen fitted to the JP range of engine are 24V rather then 12V since these are big engines the 24v motor requires less amps than a 12v motor and hence means the wire used can be of a smaller gauge then if it were 12v, there should be some numbers stamped on the motor casing, as well as a rotation arrow to denote the rotation that the motor is turning, If you can find them and post them here or even a photo of these numbers and a general photo of the motor I am sure we can tell you what motor you have currently fitted to your JP2.

Some times I have seen a Lister S series motor fitted to the JP range and these can do the job but are under-powered for the task.

the other option of course is to just stick with the hand starting, no more electric starting issues.  ;D ;D ;D

LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 15, 2020, 08:49:08 AM »
I have Always found that the clean up process is just as or even more important then the reassembly process as the cleaning allows you to see any and all defects in the parts and if they are still serviceable for future use or if they require repair, As for the cylinder heads on this SR I dropped both into the machine shop this morning and they have confirmed they they will be fitting valve seat inserts as there isnt much materiel left for grinding and fitting valve seat inserts will future proof the heads for future work if ever needed.

as for the valve guides, I will be making new guides to suit out of cast iron, the guides are not that worn but they could certenly do with a freshen up and considering I will be fitting new valves as the original ones were badly pitted I can make the guides to suit.

I will post some more progress photos later this evening as I have managed to work out how to embed photos now.

LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 14, 2020, 10:10:31 PM »
More photos from today's Cylinder head work.

LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 14, 2020, 10:08:42 PM »
Evening All.

More progress on the SR2M today.

I have spent most of the day working on the SR2M cylinder head.

The head is in a bad way, I think I will have to machine new rocker bushes for the rockers but until I have those apart I have no idea but there is a lot of play in them so I think they will need new ones, The valves were badly pitted and covered in rust and grime, possibly from being underwater at some point perhaps, We will never know, as for the valve seats these look to be in not so bad condition but I will most likely get some valve seat inserts fitted to the head as I think the current seats have been ground in too far already and there doesn't look like there is much meat left for future valve grinding if it ever required it.

For the shot blasting process today I changed the media from glass beads to Kiln Dried sand, this cuts through rust and thick grime with ease and only costs around £5 per bag when the glass bead costs £15 per bag, well worth not ruining the Glass bead for these parts of the engine.

Night all


LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 13, 2020, 09:59:12 PM »
G'Day LW,
Good decision with going back to standard bore size and for further options way down the track. Nice job cleaning up the parts. Consider no grey primer and using either engine enamel on bare metal or 2 pack paint as the primer / under coat is not heat resistant and will burn off on the engine block and head areas.
As for using a flat, satin or gloss finish this is your choice as it is you project. The only benefit I see in using gloss is it is so very easy to clean up if an oil leak happens. A bit of degreaser and a hose and it is done. Flat finishes hold dirt, dust and oil.
Good evening Cobbadog.
Considering the primer I am using comes from CraftMaster Paints, and it is of the Two-Pac epoxy type it is heat proof and is sold via craft master as engine paints so I am fairly sure that it will survive the conditions this little SR2M will have to operate in.

As for going back to standard size with sleeving the cylinders, it was decided that while going over-size was a possibility it would make better and more sense to go back as it allows the cylinders to be resleeved as many times as needed over the next 50 or so years that this engine will hopefully see.

for cleaning up the parts I am just using a good quality shot blasting cabinet fed via a Lister SR2 compressor set with a BroomWade pump via quad belt drive, This unit runs at 1500 rpm and produces somewhere in the region of 100cfm at 350psi, perfect for shot blasting that needs volume over pressure but also to blast the parts after being cleaned with air to remove the dust before being painted in the CraftMaster primer, dust looks bad in a paint job personally.

Thanks
LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 13, 2020, 10:16:22 AM »
And because the Image embedding didn't work Il just have to upload them as attachments.

LW

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Engines / Re: Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 13, 2020, 10:11:08 AM »
Continuing on with the Lister SR2 yesterday, I have managed to shot blast the air intake manifold, The Oil bath air cleaner, exhaust manifold and have managed to give them all a coat of Gray primer, I am debating on making this a glossy coat or just a bare matt Gray.

Today I be making a start on the cylinder heads and rocker covers, while I wait for the cylinders to come back from the machine shop after taking the option to sleeve the cylinders rather then re-bore them over-size and to fit standard size pistons (Makes them rebuild-able over and over again  ;D )


Thanks for reading.

LW

(Really hope these images show up, Never used embedding before.)

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Everything else / Re: Lister Powered air compressor
« on: July 11, 2020, 10:45:58 PM »
Thanks Ade, I have spent about three or four hours today to disassemble the entire compressor air line system and left it to dry in the sun and then reassembled it and it worked fine for five or so hours and then it started blowing condensate again, However I managed to get some progress on my Lister SR2M project I have just started.

I have a good idea for a water trap system involving some old 1L fire extinguishers that have since gone out of date, Going to make a good mess as I have several of them.

I think if I cut the threaded neck off the top of the bottle and welded a piece of 3/4 steel tube in that forms the filter intake and goes to the bottom of the bottle but sits around half an inch off the bottom to allow an adequate flow rate and then cut a 3/4 hole near the top of the bottle in the side and welded a 3/4 fitting to it to form the outlet, this could then go to three or four other filters of the same design from the compressor unit it self, and maybe two more after the tank and one or two at the shot blaster end of the system.

Looking forward to your thoughts on this mad idea.

LW 

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Engines / Lister SR2M project.
« on: July 11, 2020, 01:16:04 PM »
Good morning all.
I recently Picked up this battered old SR2 marine unit, its very battered and doesn't run, at all, Since I got it I have started stripping it down and have found the bores and pistons are "20 thou" oversize and the big end shells are "10 thou" oversize.

I suspect that that the crank will need grinding down to "20 thou" undersize and the bores in the cylinders will need taking to "30 thou" oversize.

I have a mechine shop that can do these jobs for me but they have said I would need to supply the pistons for said cylinders, I cant find any good quality pistons out there that are "30 thou" oversize, I have found "40 thou" and "60 thou" oversize pistons but nothing in between, Whats the reason for this or is it just not worth making odd size items for these engines.

As for the rest of the engine, I intend to build it up to an as new standard, obviously in what I understand is Traditional Lister Marine Gray.

For cleaning up all the parts I am going to clean up all the items in my sand blasting cabinet (Powered by my SR2 compressor set)and then mask and spray them in CraftMaster engine paints.


I am very much looking forward to jumping in and getting this project underway and I really hope anyone who reads my posts finds them enjoyable and informative.

LW

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Everything else / Lister Powered air compressor
« on: July 10, 2020, 08:54:52 AM »
Good morning all.


I have a good old trusty Lister powered BroomWade air compressor and its recently started to give me a couple of little problems with accumulation of water condensation in my air lines, this doesn't normally cause any problems but in recent weeks it has begun to become a major problem.
I have water trap filters in my air system and that hasn't really helped at all and it continues to cause a major problem as it is normally in use most days.

I use my air compressor for sand blasting and really having water in the system is causing the guns go block up which in turn makes for a frustrating and unnecessary delay in turning out my projects.

Any ideas on how to stop the compressor causing so much water condensation in the system?


Many thanks.
LW

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