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Engines / Re: Lister LD2-newcomer
« on: Today at 05:06:02 PM »
Welcome aboard Andrew079, in the meantime you could try the LR2 manual. My understanding is the LD is the predecessor to the LR, and very similar, if not identical engines.

You start here or elsewhere https://www.agrimanuals.com/lister-engine-manuals-374-c.asp

Note that these are not Workshop manuals, but if you inquire they might havew those as well.

Listeroid Engines / Re: Conrod
« on: May 04, 2020, 01:46:42 AM »
Congrats, and yes, a video would be great.

Listeroid Engines / Re: Conrod
« on: April 17, 2020, 03:40:13 PM »
+1 with listard-jp2.

Other Fuels / Re: Very unusual fuels
« on: April 17, 2020, 03:36:19 PM »
Hi StrawHat, I think this is one of the tractors you are referring to.

I share your interest in old semi-diesels. I also have considered converting an existing engine to semi-diesel just for fun (maybe a Listeroid or hit and miss gas engine?).

I recently considered it with my 1920's Nelson Bros. gas engine (4.5" bore, 6" stroke, dual flywheels) which needed an entire top end; and I even went so far as to purchase a suitable sleeve and material to fabricate a cylinder with.
But the local historical value of the engine was such that I could not bring myself to do it, and sure enough I have obtained a used cylinder, head, piston, and rod for it.
So a restoration of sorts will be started on that one, depending on what the future holds.

With the Listeroid, I can't find a reason to justify the expenditure it would require (and do I really want to ruin a brand-new engine which I could possibly sell?).
Even if I did convert a Listeroid to semi-diesel, what would I have? Half of the people I showed it to would not understand what I was talking about when I explained what I did, and the other half who did understand, would probably condemn me for doing it ;D.

Engines / Re: LR1 intake and exhaust backwards
« on: April 12, 2020, 03:42:09 AM »
Congratulations Dmatt! Much better now. Starting it in the designed direction makes quite a difference doesn't it?

Engines / Re: LR1 intake and exhaust backwards
« on: April 12, 2020, 02:51:53 AM »
Looking at the valves, the intake valve should start to open just as the exhaust valve is finishing closing when the engine is turning in the correct direction.

Opposite to this means that it is rotating opposite to the design of the camshaft (placement of the cam lobes), which is what determines the direction of the engine running properly.

I'll bet you a hundred dollars that it will start easier and run a lot better with less smoke if you start it counterclockwise.

Engines / Re: LR1 intake and exhaust backwards
« on: April 12, 2020, 02:33:00 AM »
The hand starters can be changed for use either direction by rotating the spring loaded pin that engages the camshaft around 180 degrees.

I use mine in both directions depending on which rotation I need for the engine I am currently starting.

Engines / Re: LR1 intake and exhaust backwards
« on: April 12, 2020, 02:25:58 AM »
The starter is turning the engine in the wrong direction and it is difficult to start but it runs backward.
Judging by the shape of your fan shroud, your flywheel should be turning counterclockwise, but you indicate in the video that it is turning clockwise.
Look at the shape of the fan shroud on my LR2A, even though in the video mine appears to be running clockwise it is actually running counterclockwise, just as yours appears to be turning counterclockwise but you indicate with your finger that it is turning clockwise. (Videos show it opposite from the actual direction it is turning).

In my video you can see me turning my camshaft counterclockwise to start it; if your cam is turning clockwise the engine is running in reverse. This would explain simply why it is exhausting through the intake and sucking through the exhaust.

Here is another video of an anti-clockwise LR1.

A clockwise rotating one, you can clearly see the flywheel turning clockwise when he cranks it but as soon as the smoke clears the flywheel appears to be turning counterclockwise. Note the shape of the fan shroud.

https://diesel-electric.us/ should be able to supply the correct hand or electric starter for your application.

Engines / Re: Lister LR2 first smoke
« on: April 05, 2020, 01:11:53 AM »
Hi Glort, Mikenash said the oil is especially heavy when it's cold, which I took to mean it's very thick. I suggested diluting it with kerosene for use in his engine if it's too thick for that purpose.
Nothing to do with oil burners other than commenting on his.

Engines / Re: Lister LR2 first smoke
« on: March 22, 2020, 05:01:57 PM »
Hi Mikenash: Good for you with the oil burner for heating. That oil sounds like it might be a candidate for diluting with kerosene or similar.
 If you had something to dilute it with maybe you could burn it in your engine as well?
 I keep approximately 200 gallons of WVO on hand for use in my truck and 6/1 clone generator.
I'm on Grand Cayman Island; I would love to visit New Zealand someday.

Hi Dieselspanner: I like that phrase, I have to keep it in mind. I don't know how Brexit is going to factor in but that Covid19 virus has me very concerned. Yes, EBay and Amazon are our friend.

Thanks to all for your comments and I'm glad you liked the videos.

Engines / Re: Lister LR2 first smoke
« on: March 21, 2020, 10:33:53 PM »
Yep, no shortage of worthwhile projects here...and that's only what's outside. I work outside on the old trailer because there is no room inside. Sad part is that it's not often I get to work on my own stuff. These days I mostly repair concrete mixers for customers and do deliveries with my GMC tipper.
When I have time to spare I usually spend it on my own mixers which are a source of rental income that I am trying to expand.
Projects like the LR2 while enjoyable, I consider to be frivolous since they are not practical for anything I need and do not earn money. So at any given time I am in the middle of 1 or 2 customers jobs and if I am waiting on parts for those I try to put in some time on a practical and a frivolous project for myself.
Living on an island with no real parts dealerships you either import your own stock or risk getting ripped off by local sources. I usually import my own which means either you waste a lot of time waiting on parts or you work on several projects at once, and complete whichever you get parts for first.
Example of getting ripped: I can get a chinese carb for a honda GX390 on EBay for about $15.00; that same carb here is sold for over $150.00!
So I import my own and sell them to the customer for less than that guy. Result: the customer is happy and I make a few extra dollars as well.

Engines / Lister LR2 first smoke
« on: March 21, 2020, 07:21:31 PM »
Hi guys, earlier this week I got to hear my LR2 run for the first time. It is a project I had started some 5 or 6 years ago that I had shelved for several years incomplete.
I recently fixed a ST2 for a customer, and I acquired an LR1 as part payment. All of this got me in the mood so I dragged out the LR2 and I refused to quit until I had it running reasonably well.

For those interested:

As purchased https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oADyLEl5ldM

Running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXQBZ1JOmg8

Listeroid Engines / Re: Where is 38c's flywheel balancing thread?
« on: February 21, 2020, 01:43:28 PM »
@ Listard-jp2: I share your views on this matter.

Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: 🔥 6HP 178F Diesel Engines!
« on: February 09, 2020, 02:03:09 PM »
Hmm.. Ok thank you.Good to know.

Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: 🔥 6HP 178F Diesel Engines!
« on: February 09, 2020, 03:17:44 AM »
Is the PTO shaft part of the Camshaft or Crankshaft?

I think the S in 178F(E)(S) designates camshaft PTO (1/2 speed).

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