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Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: injector
« on: Today at 03:05:16 AM »

One thing that they did state lower down in the article...

"All parameters point toward an optimized tuning of the injector timing at 25º BTDC with an IVOP of15MPa."

Was it you that recently wondered about if your timing was too advanced with the wrong timing marks?
Probably not as much as you thought!



Looking at the Stamp on the brochure with the stamp on it, I wonder if the sales guy that handed it out or the bloke that got it would have ever dreamed that 50+ years later, Blokes would be saving this on magical " Computers"  and looking at a piece of farm machinery with such Nostalgia and drooling over the thought they wish they could still buy them new. 

Probably the same as now when people hand out brochures they never give much thought to their  Value and reverence in 50 years time.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: cracked piston
« on: April 08, 2020, 01:52:14 AM »

Starting fluid ( eather) has a bad fabled reputation.  I must have read 100 times warnings where people say  engines get "Addicted " to it.
A lump of iron develops a chemical dependence to a certain Chemical?  I don't think so Tim!.  What happens often is people use the spray to start an engine with another problem ( low Compression, worn valves, bad spray pattern) and don't fix the underlying cause. With more run time the problem naturally becomes worse and it is harder to start without the starting Fluid.... Logical enough.

The problem I see with teh start Fluid and I have used it particularly in cold weather  it that like so many other things, Instead of using it correctly, Redneck Morons want to empty half a can into an engines intake and then when it goes boom and something breaks, they blame the starter fluid not their own stupidity in using it in a way it was never meant to be used.

I have also used Alcohol ( Metho, methanol, ethanol) as a start fluid which works well and just plain old petrol. A SMALL shot down the intake  works wonders for cold starting. On one of my old mercs I had a strong Methanol/ water mix in a washer bottle under the bonnet with  an " Injector through the top of the air cleaner lid into the manifold. When Starting on cold mornings I'd Glow it , give it a couple of seconds on the meth mix and crank it.  Lit up every time even on straight WVO in winter.  Both those Mercs I had were never easy starters where later Vehicles would Fire no problem with just a glow.

I used pertol and metho on stationary engines but the trick is to only use enough to get them to fire. 2 Combustion strokes is about all you need to get the engine spinning fast enough for it to continue from there if everything else is in the good condition it should be in.

Starting fluid is not the problem, its the ignorance of the human holding the can that doesn't  read the directions or uses it to try and over come other mechanical issues with the engine. 

Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: injector
« on: April 08, 2020, 01:24:12 AM »

I don't think there was anything in that study that was not already Known on veg oil forums well before the study was done.
I remember loads of these university types coming on sites like info pop with long lists of questions wanting people to do their Thesis for them.

It was well known way back that veg burned slower than Diesel and advancing the timing was helpful. Only had to go out and play with the timing on your car to see that. Was enough to fall within the sensitivity of the Butt Dyno and a stop watch quite easily.

The study as I see it fails in a major way in that they didn't test individual variations in the modifications they made. They seemed to have the idea that this "kit" as they called it of doing 3 things was going to work and wanted to prove that. They didn't seem to test each factor nor in pairs to even see if one was making a difference and how they worked in conjunction

They also made mention many times of making modifications to suit the 3rd world but then went on with a lot of 1st world concerns like Co levels and opacity of the exhaust.  Something no Indian farmer could give 2 hoots about.

To me if they don't test the before and after of every modification on it's own and then pair them up, you never know if one change is working or not or if another is detrimental and the other change is covering that and still showing improvement.

At the end of the day these tests can be interesting but it has to be remembered they are just a bunch of uni kids trying to demonstrate a theroy.
The amount of other work quoted in this study must have cut down their time and effort considerably.

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 07, 2020, 08:55:43 AM »

How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions?

I posted links to confirm exactly what I said with regard to your incorrect assertions about Drugs being treatment specific. I'm sorry if that undermined your assertions but it does not cahnge the fact what you said was demonstrably wrong.

If you want scientific evidence, how about you lead by example and post research that backs up your own opinions?

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 07, 2020, 01:02:10 AM »

We're down to five active cases on the Big Island.  No one has gone to the hospital yet for Covid 19 but there have been three deaths on the other islands.

Official Sources paint a far less rosy picture than you espouse Casey.


    Total cases: 387 (16 newly reported)
    Hawai’i County: 23
    Honolulu County: 292
    Kaua’i County: 17
    Maui County: 44
    Pending: 9
    Residents diagnosed outside of Hawai‘i: 2

    Required Hospitalization: 26
    Hawaii deaths: 5
    Released from Isolation: 89
    Cumulative totals as of 12:00pm, April 6, 2020

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 07, 2020, 12:37:49 AM »

 Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus.

That statement as well as the sentient behind it, is patently and demonstrably incorrect and ignorant.

MANY drugs have MULTIPLE uses and applications.  In the cited case of Lupus, Have a look at that it is treated with:


One of them is the antimalarial drug you espouse is only for Malaria. Most of the others cited are demonstrated to be used for other things.
On the list, seems few or any of the treatments are actually specificaly for lupus, they are for other conditions and work with lupus as well.

None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed.

How exactly do you expect that to happen in the time frame we have had the China flu sweeping the world? Testing takes time, Time a lot of people don't have.
As for the testing and approval of drugs, yeah.  I have been given shit, and that's' exactly what it was, shit, on multiple occasions for my ailments that fked me up 6 ways to Sunday and only made me worse than I started out.   One of them, had I taken the Correct dose and not 5 Times less than prescribed, WOULD have Killed me no 2 ways about it. Knocked the shit out of me  for days as it was. But it was tested and approved for the condition I had.
And NO, taking less was NOT the problem, taking less means I'm here upsetting you all now.

Believing in drug testing and that this makes them safe and effective is like believing the Main stream Media is truthful and honest.

If I get this china Virus,  I'm Fked. End of story.
Given that is the case from the outset, what's to loose if they do give me something that's not peer reviewed and the drug co hasn't had time to buy off medicos and get and approval pushed through so they can start making Billions out of it? I'll take my chances seeing I have none left anyway and maybe, just maybe, there is something in it that will help. Exactly what would I have to loose? 

Of course if it does pull me through there will be those that predictably carry on about it not being tested  and therefore I must have been going to get better on my own anyway.

In not being tested, it should also be remembered was well as not being proven to work, it's also not proven that it DOESN'T work so it's already in with a 50% chance of helping people.

Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.

You really should Consider going for a walk and getting some Fresh air Paul.

No one is espousing Quackery of defying common sense or Physics.  All that is being suggested is that one drug may have benefits in treating  other conditions that there has been no time given the speed and severity of the emergency to test thoroughly. 
These are not new Drugs cooked up in a back shed ( although not tested and approved, no one is saying they don't work) they are long used medications that as above ARE used in a multiple treatments like so many other drugs out there.

In any case, what better way or time to test than right now?
At worst, they may do absoloutley Nothing at all but the patient believing they are helping might fight harder and have more motivation to pull Through.

I never underestimate the Human mind and what it can do well beyond explanation.  It can lead people to do things and achieve things there is no scientific explanation for. I have seen that with my own eyes with people that were given no chance but are Living very well now because they were Fked if they were going to die so they Didn't. I am Very good friends with a Young guy just like that.

OTOH, there are people that can believe in all sorts of Fairy tales and Bullshit and believe everything the Media they think is Infallible tells them and doomsday end of world Scenarios which they let totaly control their thoughts and position and turn them in zealots which they cherry pick facts to support there delusion.

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 06, 2020, 02:13:31 PM »
Glort. You may find it difficult to find a new service that caters for paranoiacs who skirt around the margins of society carrying a massive chip on their shoulder, bewailing their lack of utter respect from others  whilst constantly talking bollocks. You may also know of a liquid useful for making coffee and tea that's superior to water but the consensus is against you on that too. The BBC is the standard for many reasons the main one for me is no advertising. In some ways you remind me of my brother who didn't speak to me for 9 years because I said to him "I did answer your fuc*ing stupid question I just didn't give you the answer you wanted"  I'm sure you have encountered similar treatment, deservedly so in my opinion.

These are trying times Paul.
Perhaps a walk around the yard and some fresh air will make you feel better or go out and give the Lister a fire up.
Playing with our Mechanical toys always makes things less stressful.

Sounds like you patched things up with your Brother which is Good.
My only brother was killed when he was 18. I was 21. Not a day goes by even 30 odd years later when I don't miss him and the nightmares are still all too frequent.
Life is too short for petty squabbles with family whom are irreplaceable.

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 06, 2020, 09:13:37 AM »

 If you want to quote news sites how about starting with the NY Times, BBC, Washington Post, Reuters, CNN, Associated press etc.

This is sarcasm right?


The BBC is gold standard for news.

Now I know you are taking the piss.

Big time!  ;D

Lister Based Generators / Re: HELP WITH LISTER ST2A 14 H.P.
« on: April 05, 2020, 12:39:30 AM »

For future Refrence information....

For  battery maintence I have been using these Buck Converters on an old household Solar panel.


They will take up to 40V and once connected to the battery and it is up to charge, simply ajust the little trimpot to the voltage you want to float the battery(s) at,  13.5, 13.8. 27V  etc.  The converter will charge them up to that level and just hold them there.

Been using this Setup on the tractor and some Garden equipment and worked fine. Recently set up some batteries with an inverter and solar Charging this way Just in case things go down hill with the power.

For battery maintence, a House panel and one of these chargers provides loads of power  and is far cheaper and more effective than the normal small solar type Chargers . This has plenty of power to drive things like monitoring and remote start equipment without the battery ever loosing any significant charge.

With a Voltage relay added, Could also drive a small sump heater to impart some warmth to the engine to stop it getting dead cold and keep moisture out.  They also come in 20 and 30 A versions which would be good for that application.

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 04, 2020, 12:05:05 AM »

I don't know about the blow hard Politicians having had their day, I think they are the most persistent Diseases of all, but I certainly think a lot of things will change as you suggest, the main one being peoples attitudes. I see that happening already and I think we are at the very beginning still and the end is the best part of 6 Months away and they we will start to rebuild and recover.

After the hard ships and reality checks many will get in the next 6 Months alone, let alone after, There will be a far greater expectation for everyone to pull their weights and much less tolerance for those that don't and think they are still " special".

I think we just took a 50 year + rewind.  The snow Flake generation with their no consequences attitude of not upholding their word are going to get a big lesson in having consideration for others  and personal responsibility for one thing. I think a lot of Millenials are also in for a BIG attitude and responsibility adjustment.

I think the world has also learned just how fragile our survival is and how dependent we are.  One rumour and there is no food on the shelves and people can be in real trouble. I think shortages of things yet to come will grow and give people a much greater appreciation for how easily their comfy lifestyle can vanish and they can be in real trouble.

I predict the gardening industry will take a big upturn as those with the space start trying to be a bit more self sufficient. Might even knock on to the housing industry where people that rushed in to buy whatever cardboard shoe box they could and call it a home will now actually look for something with a useable backyard with a greater area than 2 lawn Chairs.
The repair Industry will also take an upturn as those with things that still can be repaired look to get as long as they can out of them rather than automaticaly Chuck them out and buy new.

The appliance and product manufacturers may be forced to take a 50 year rewind as well and make things that are made to last beyond 5-10 years and can be repaired when they do break down.  It will be interesting to see if this goes to thinks like vehicles and whether the aftermath of this will be severe enough to impact their designs. Instead of 50 completely and utterly useless features, maybe we will see a more back to basics and reliability approach.

The west will definitely go back to an attitude of more self sufficiency and doing things " In house" far more than ever before and free trade is highly likely to not be anywhere near as free flowing.

I definitely see this as a pre and post point in history where we will look back at the way things were before but are no longer.
Not all of that will be bad.

I was wondering when all the craziness with so many things would end and where the world would finish up and now I'm seeing it.
Just hope I get to live though it.


I emailed Bob a few weeks back But Didn't get a reply. Figured he was still busy but maybe his email has Changed?
Think about them often.

General Discussion / Re: C-19
« on: April 03, 2020, 03:32:21 PM »
Doing bugger all may very well drop us right in it.

With the Current situation and the effect on the world economy, There is going to be bugger all money to put towards this CC and bugger all concern from the great majority of the worlds population from here on in for the next 5 years at least. 

That said, The doing of Bugger all by the western worlds population for the next month or 6 may have far better results than anything that was ever thought of before.

I look forward ( and hope I'm still around) to seeing the drop in Co2 levels.

Everything else / Re: Need help identifying engine
« on: April 03, 2020, 02:39:52 PM »
Putting my money on Suzuki
Did say honda but then got the picture bigger.

Cobba is a Mower expert and should be able to give a reliable determination.

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