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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Water or steam injection
« on: Today at 07:35:50 PM »
I recently added an Arduino to my lister.
It monitors the engine coolant temperature and RPM using an infrared sensor to a white dot on the flywheel.
The Arduino sends the data to a cloud application on my cell phone so I can monitor it when not in the garage.
(It will be running for up to 5 hours at time as a CHP system and I will not always be nearby).
My phone can communicate with the Arduino also, as of part of my phone application I added a kill button.

If the engine senses overspeed, (or If I hit the kill button on my phone for any reason), the Arduino energizes a solenoid which closes the fuel rack.
It also allows me to have the engine run for a set time and then have the arduino turn off.
In the picture below you can see the Solid State relay attached to the right side of the Arduino enclosure.
That relay energizes the shutdown solenoid.

You could just as easily have the relay activate the water injection pump when the coolant temperature reaches some desired set point.
You could also use this same logic to active a fuel switch-over valve after 'x' minutes of running or after the engine shows some heat.
In reverse, the arduino could switch the fuel back to diesel 'x' minutes before auto shutdown.
Whatever you want.  ... As long as you are having fun !  ;D

Also below is the 12vdc fuel switching valve that I will be using to switch from diesel to WVO (Currently my fuel switching is manual).
A second relay will be added to the Arduino to accomplish this.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: injector pump
« on: February 14, 2020, 11:45:04 PM »

That method of timing looks about right.
Give it a try.
You will have to find a way to mark your flywheel at approx 20 deg BTC and then adjust your initial spray point to either side of that mark depending on the engine specs and the fuel being used.

General Discussion / Re: New member
« on: February 05, 2020, 02:37:52 PM »
Hi Oldsid,

Welcome. Looking forward to seeing some of your projects.
That's a lot of engines. !


Everything else / Re: Mid Brusnwick Green Paint Match Offer
« on: January 27, 2020, 12:43:24 AM »
Not sure if this helps...
A few years ago I went to a paint shop and had them blend a quart of paint according to the Lister colour spec.
Somewhere I had found the components of mid-brunswick green.
Below is the modern CIL paint spec for this colour. Any paint shop should be able to make some from this label.
I used it to paint my Listeroid.

No guarantees that it exactly matches the original Dursley Lister colour.
I have not been able to find a genuine Lister to compare colours.



That's a really good price.
I have 2 of these engines on small generators.
Very reliable little units.

Everything else / Re: Inverter question - Resistive loads
« on: January 17, 2020, 07:30:45 PM »

You certainly have the right alt.
Do you have an external controller and are you running it at 12v or 24?
Looks like a nice setup.

This battery system is a small 400aH 12 volt bank.
At the moment I use the stock internal regulator for bulk charging and let solar do the float charging.
Certainly not as good as a Balmar external 3 step regulator or something like that.
I have not been able to find an external multi step regulator for under $300.
And when converted, that is over $400 Canadian.  :o

Has anyone seen a decent chinese external regulator?

Everything else / Re: Inverter question - Resistive loads
« on: January 17, 2020, 01:25:09 AM »
Just because an alternator is rated at 140A, does not mean it's spinning at the right speed to generate 140A.

Thanks, I am aware of that Mike90045.
It's a Leese Neville.
I have the factory performance curve showing speed vs. output vs. required HP.
Alternator speed and output are mapped to the engine speed and output.
It can make 120 amps if needed.


Glort: "Resistive loads are the easiest, gentlest loads you can have.  Anything will drive them happily. It's inductive and switching loads that pose the challenges. "

That's good to know about the resistive loads. Thanks.
Flywheel diameter and alternator pulley have all been worked out back when the unit was built.

Everything else / Inverter question - Resistive loads
« on: January 15, 2020, 04:59:45 PM »

Can I run an emersion heater from an inverter? or is this bad for the FET's ?
I have a DC system with a small diesel to keep it charged and it can run when loads are applied also.
The DC alternator is rated 140 amps and should be able to keep up to a 1.5kw drain.
How do mod-sine wave and pure sine wave inverters react to resistive loads.?
In this case, a 4KW, 120 volt inverter and a 1.5 kw, 120 volt heating element.

Listeroid Engines / Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« on: January 15, 2020, 04:44:42 PM »

Seen LOTS of Poly, never seen it like in the picture or that colour.

That's the new "Silver Sludge" poly.  Came out in 2019  ;D

I'm suggesting water, Oil, and WVO. And this engine does have a history of water leaks.

There are only 3 liquids in that engine. What else can it be.?

Listeroid Engines / Re: another disaster: silver gunk in new oil
« on: January 15, 2020, 02:54:34 PM »

A product of considerable blow-by of veg oil fuel and oil.
Polymerized veg oil. (maybe some water too).

Everything else / Re: Diesel Heaters
« on: January 14, 2020, 12:59:24 AM »
another interesting test....


Everything else / Re: Diesel Heaters
« on: January 14, 2020, 12:51:10 AM »
More people testing these heaters on alternate fuel now.
Some interesting tests....

diesel/vegetable oil


Listeroid Engines / Re: DIY Short block
« on: January 06, 2020, 04:55:26 PM »


I too am in Canada. I am quite interested to follow your progress on this project.
As you stated, the engine is a marvelously simple and reliable design.

carry on !


Red Stone Engines / Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
« on: January 05, 2020, 03:23:52 PM »

They do look like the common Changfa type clones with an extra flywheel.
Was there anything specific about the redstones that gave them the reputation they have ( other than twin lister style flywheels) or are the single  flywheel clones as good?

Anyone know if twin wheel China clone engines are available?

Yes. They are available here...

Although I went to other main suppliers of Changfa style engines and could not find them.
JiangDong usually has all the styles http://www.enginejd.com/list_2_60_67.html
but they do not have the double flywheel.
I wonder if that double wheel unit is a previous generation and just a few plants are left building them?

Listeroid Engines / Re: DIY Short block
« on: January 05, 2020, 12:50:45 AM »
I think you can buy a block from Gary "dieselgman" on this forum. Send him a PM if you are interested.
He has engines and broken down components.
You may be able to buy the block and make everything else yourself.
(If that's a road you wish to take)


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