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Lister Based Generators / Re: HELP WITH LISTER ST2A 14 H.P.
« on: Today at 12:12:13 AM »

Are the batteries mounted solidly - with maybe a rubber section underneath to isolate then from the cold floor ...


Ooh - good point. Definitely make sure the batteries are not sitting on a cold concrete floor in sub-zero temperatures, they REALLY don't like that (for some reason). Putting them on a pallet will insulate them well enough... makes them easy to move around too, if you've got a pallet truck!

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HELP WITH LISTER ST2A 14 H.P.
« on: April 04, 2020, 12:16:08 PM »

1. What battery is recommended? I occassionally have problems starting it in the morning if it gets below freezing and I end up draining the battery. I will
be installing a solar trickle charger that will stay on the battery permanently so that when it is not in use, which can be a month or more, it will stay charged.
That said, maybe there is a better battery for this generator.


Any decent sized car or truck battery should be fine. If it's a 24v starter, then two in series. The bigger the better, if you're draining it occasionally. Batteries do have a finite life, and if it's been left flat for any length of time, it's probably wrecked it's charge capacity (don't ask me how I know this...) A solar trickle charger is an excellent idea to keep it topped off; a 100W panel and a charge controller should only cost around $100 these days, I'd have thought, and will give plenty of capacity.


3. How to crank start? When the battery has died, I have tried crank starting, but it is extremely difficult to rotate the handle....does something need to be disengaged to bypass the electrical starter?

4. How to operate the decompressor levers? According to the manual, when starting the levers should point towards the flywheel, is this correct? Do the levers
need to be backed off after it starts? I generally start the generator remotely from the cabin so I am not at the generator to fuss with the levers and have
always just had them at 12' o'clock. Appreciate any advise here....


Not being familiar with your set up.... does it have an automotive style starter, with cogs cut into the flywheel? If so - the starter will be automatically disengaged when not in use, just like a car one. If it's an original Start-o-Matic unit, then the generator is also the starter. Although it's permanently connected (via the belts), it shouldn't add too much resistance at hand cranking speeds. Getting it turning initially will be harder because of the extra drag (and quite possibly a flywheel mounted on the generator too).

To crank start, you need to engage the decompressors. I don't know which way they move; so just push them all the way over one way or another, and try to slowly turn the engine. If it comes to a dead halt, then back it up a bit, and turn the levers the other way. One way or another it should rotate freely (you might also hear a hiss from the exhaust valve on what should be the compression stroke).

Once you've established which way the levers go - now you really need to put your back into it! Start cranking it as fast as you possibly can. At the last moment, using your third hand, flip one of the decompression levers over. WIth a fair wind, and a bit of luck, the engine should fire on one. As soon as it's picked up a few revs, flip the second compression lever. Which one you do first is up to you - you might find the engine starts a bit easier on one cylinder compared to the other... so you'd favour that one.

Good luck!

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 05:38:30 PM »
Strange thing is, some American humour really is both clever AND very funny... e.g. IMHO this little dialogue from Airplane 2:

Witness : Striker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor : Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of your crew?
Witness : Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor : Andy went to pieces?
Witness : No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor : Howie came unglued?
Witness : Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor : And he bailed out?
Witness : No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor : Then Howie survived?
Witness : No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.

All delivered pretty much deadpan.

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 05:27:15 PM »
two parrots were sat on a perch one of them wondered if the other could smell fish.....

LOL!

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General Discussion / Re: Prospecting Humor
« on: March 18, 2020, 08:07:43 AM »
I'll be honest.... I don't get it, and I'm usually pretty good at getting humour... must be a US thing?

Plenty of really dark humour here in the uk... for example, there's a one-legged beggar here in Manchester. Mate of mine is a bit of a sissy when it comes to beggars, and got talking to him. Turns out, he's a veteran, and lost his leg in a campaign in Afghanistan. Mate asked him how come he was on the street begging - to which he replied; "I'm trying to raise the air fare so I can go back over there and find me bloody leg!"

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Changfa Engines / Re: AIr Cooled Chinese L186 Diesel Injector Pump R&R
« on: March 16, 2020, 07:11:35 PM »

to help reduce stress caused by spinning loads that have high inertia.

This makes no sense to me at all.
The whole concept of CS listers is a large, heavy flywheel and slow speed. Some people put extra flywheels on to reduce flicker. If does not matter if it's the flywheel or rotating mass of the load, they have high inertia as do all of the traditional type generators like you want to use.  Never heard of anyone saying they cause " additional stress" ?  Additional to what exactly over any other load??


I think I can see what Henry is getting at - the high inertia will resist the power stroke, which means the rods and bearings are seeing maximum stress - from combustion pressure - for longer, than a lower inertia, free-er revving engine. Which, I suspect, is partially why Listers are built like brick sh*thouses; materials analysis was a new thing back when the CS was designed, if it even existed at all, so better over-built than under...

There is a, possibly apocryphal, story about the development of the RR Merlin engine; during the early tests, they'd run the shit out of an engine until it broke. They'd then beef up the bit that broke, and re-run the tests, until something else broke instead. Then they'd beef up that bit... Rinse and repeat many many times, and you end up with an - almost literally - bulletproof engine, which, as we know, went on to worldwide well deserved fame. I doubt the CS went through much of that; they'd just build it waaaay big enough in the first place.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: start o matic twin,
« on: March 11, 2020, 07:59:25 AM »
/\ If I remember correctly your JP4 engine had a cobbled together electric start arrangement, with an automotive flywheel taper locked onto the crankshaft, and an automotive starter motor meshing with it via a welded steel framework arrangement.

Whereas this ebay JP4 has the original fitment electric start flywheel.

Currently Marine Power Services will want the thick end of 600 just to fit one of their starter rings to your own flywheel.

My JP4 had a JK electric flywheel. I'm not sure what the starter was, I presume it was liberated from the same JK that gave up its flywheel. It certainly wasn't lashed together, it looked pretty OEM to be honest.

I think the one you're thinking of is my CS, which has an automotive flywheel bolted to the ST gen head, with a very much lashed together steel frame holding both the generator and the starter.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: start o matic twin,
« on: March 11, 2020, 12:26:01 AM »

Here is one on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lister-J-P-4-Diesel-Marine-Diesel-engine/113995344977

It is worth that price for the electric start flywheel alone if the ring gear is any good.


Hmm, I struggled to get 500 for mine, which was a runner with working electric start!

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Lister Based Generators / Re: start o matic twin,
« on: March 10, 2020, 06:09:07 PM »
If I had a swimming pool I could hook up a bunch of elements  and boil the pool in an hour.

Sounds like you need a) a swimming pool, and b) a bigger one  ;D

One day,  o n e  d a y.....  :'(

I suffer from that problem too!

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Everything else / Re: Importing
« on: March 09, 2020, 08:07:18 PM »
I probably should have put this in the "everything else" section.

Please consider it moved  ;D

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Listeroid Engines / MOVED: Importing
« on: March 09, 2020, 08:06:59 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Australia, One disaster after another!
« on: March 09, 2020, 06:02:01 PM »
Well, I for one welcome the Great Bogpaper Shortage of 2020... because it forced me to go on Amazon and do a search. And now, I can confirm, that for a mere sixty pictures of the Queen's head (god save her), I can have this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hibbent-Non-Electric-Mechanical-Attachment-Sanitizing-T-Adapter/dp/B07HMSDVGW/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=bidet&qid=1583776718&sr=8-8

Yep - a Bidet attachment - forever freeing me from the tyranny of Big Bogroll.

It's even got "feminine cleaning", although disturbingly, the pictogram is not of a lady's front bottom...

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Engines / Re: LR1 Won't start
« on: March 09, 2020, 05:50:03 PM »
Good news! (kinda  ;D)

If you can't find anyone local to do the machining for a decent price & you've not got facilities to DIY - I'm happy to have a go for you, gratis. Unfortunately my surface grinder isn't recommissioned yet, so I can cut it down to size, but it might need a little manual finishing with some sandpaper to get rid of any machining marks. Probably not necessary on an LR1... I'm based over in Birkenhead (CH41 postcode). It'll give me a good excuse to clean the machine up and re-tram the head....

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Engines / Re: LR1 Won't start
« on: March 09, 2020, 05:37:39 PM »

I haven't reassembled it again yet, but could this be a reason for my none-start?


Almost certainly - although it may not be the only reason, it's definitely a big factor.

Were there any shims under the old barrel? If so, you could remove them to reduce the height discrepancy. If not, then I can only surmise that either your piston is not original, or has been machined short. The only reason I can imagine your old barrel is so short is because it's previously been machined to fix a problem. I guess one other possibility - the conrod is shorter than standard.

Either way, assuming there's no shims to remove, the simplest solutions would be a) Machine the barrel down to match the original, or b) Acquire a marginally longer conrod. Or piston, if it looks like that's been machined.

Can you supply pictures and accurate measurements of the piston height & rod length? I have an LR1 buried at the back of my shed, which is mostly in bits.... I'm happy to do some measuring up if you like. Mine had "some" (2 or 3 as I recall) thin shims under the barrel, at a guess they'd add about 0.5 to 1mm height all in.

Cheers,
Ade.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: start o matic twin,
« on: March 06, 2020, 05:31:52 PM »
Would the 200 price tag make it more attractive,

It would be attractive at twice that price! Unfortunately, newly immigrated wife + baby only a couple of months away = no spare cash and, more importantly, no spare time with which to play!

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