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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 Cooling duct
« on: April 18, 2016, 07:54:40 AM »
Hi dieselgman,
Thanks for all your advice.

I used to have a garage business back in uk mainly buying selling and tuning Cosworth’s , evo’s etc,ect. So totally understand cramming as much air into combustion chamber as possible with correct fuel ratio! (Burnt out pistons lol) Used to fit water spray onto charge coolers and even spray with co2 fire extinguishers before setting ¼ mile time.
These engines were all multi-valve running as high as 9000rpm.
The reason I suggested warming the air at the filter was because on smaller engine older cars they always had a shroud over exhaust manifold with a heat proof pipe attached to air filter box????
One of the fans is directed towards the air filter.
I’ll fit my temp sensor in the air stream leaving the engine, do you know what sort of temp the air should be?
Reading the user manual it states keeping the engine as cool as possible ???
After posting yesterday I had the same thought as you regarding controlling the fans. I’ll have 1 running all the time and then the other 3 coming on at different temps, 2 running at 30c, 3 at 35c and all 4 at 40c.
Yes the shed is really that air tight, my goal is to have it running almost silent. I’m getting there the only real noise is from the vibration now. At the moment the genny is just sat on 2 big bits of wood which in turn are placed on gravel. (French planning laws won’t allow me to make a concrete base)
I was going to fit the usual rubber feet but I’m now wondering about cutting down car suspension coil springs, then using shock absorbers to stabilize the unit, any thoughts on that?
I’m sure I’ll be asking more over the next couple of days as I complete the build.
When it’s finished I’ll work out how to post pictures and explain my to build to help others and give something back to this extremely helpful forum.

Oh! forgot I changed the oil a couple of days ago and overfilled it a bit, this could quite possibly be the cause of the smoke. It really is very faint though especially compared to the old ST3 I had. I got the wife to look yesterday and see couldn't even see it.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 Cooling duct
« on: April 17, 2016, 09:29:57 AM »
 This might be a new one…

Is it possible to have a too efficient cooling system?

Since last post I’ve built new hot air ducting taking the blown hot air from the engine out of the generator shed. I’ve made sure the ducting is bigger than original and made nice radiuses where the air changes direction. I’m more than confident that there is no additional restriction to hot air flow. 

Yesterday I fitted 4 household extractor units. The type that have one big fan with 5 intakes, one for kitchen, one for WC, one for shower etc, etc.
I pulled them apart and using 125mm drainpipe created 4 very strong units pulling cool air into the shed, figures would suggest that I’m drawing in, in-excess of 1000 m3/hr. I’ve located them so they are blowing cool air to appropriate areas of the generator unit.

At the moment the only way for the air created by the fans to escape from the generator shed is via the engine hot air output.

The temperature in the shed has dropped from 40c to 20c (approx)
The genny has been running for 2 hours this morning (20mins at full load) and I can hold my hand on rocker covers without any discomfort infact they are only slightly warm , the fan/flywheel housing is cold as is the combustion air intake. The only parts which are HOT are exhaust and crank case.

I was going to fit outlets in the roof to allow hot air to escape but don’t have any…

My thoughts and questions…
Is it OK for the engine to be the only thing removing stale air from the shed?
I’m guessing I’ve created positive air pressure in the shed is this a problem?
When I build new air filter assembly I’m guessing I should incorporate some sort of heat transfer from exhaust manifold?

My only reason for concern and posting is that I now have a very small amount of blue smoke from exhaust. I do mean very small though!!!

Very interested to hear peoples thoughts on this.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 Cooling duct
« on: April 13, 2016, 11:07:56 AM »
Thanks, no not complicated, just want to make sure I get everything right. Our only form of electricity is the HR charging a battery bank.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 Cooling duct
« on: April 13, 2016, 09:22:39 AM »
Thanks,
Another question...
Air filter, i'm planning on replacing the original filter system with a homemade unit containing Peugeot air filter/s reason being I can buy these filters from the supermarkets out here in France.
Does the air filter have much effect on combustion. Obviously small is going to be restrictive but is it possible to go to large?

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 info please
« on: April 12, 2016, 04:26:45 PM »
Thanks for the link mate, very helpful

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Lister Based Generators / HR2 Cooling duct
« on: April 12, 2016, 04:25:37 PM »
Just a quick one… I’m going to rebuild the cooling duct tomorrow now that the weather is warming up…
In all the drawings and pictures I’ve seen of the HR units the hot air ducting is always facing upwards, is there a reason for this?
It would be much easier for me to remove the original ducting (facing upwards) and make new ducting coming straight out of the engine to the outside wall of my generator shed.
Is it ok to do this???

Thanks in advance

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 info please
« on: February 22, 2016, 01:27:06 PM »
Thanks for the help dieselgman. I'm running at about 3/4 load. It is possible that smoke is paint burning off form inside the exhaust I built... I'll give it a few more week after an oil change and then strip down and have a look and glaze bust at same time.

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Help needed ST3 SOM Brush 10.5 kva
« on: February 22, 2016, 01:18:57 PM »
Can't upload photos so have put them on my Facebook page for you.
https://www.facebook.com/echo.pool
Also picture on FB of my exhaust silencer etc, will need to scroll down a bit.

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Lister Based Generators / HR2 info please
« on: February 21, 2016, 04:38:41 PM »
Hi Guys,
Haven't been on here for ages, haven't needed to as the old ST3 had been behaving itself. It finally gave up after running for 5 years for up to 8 hours a day.
Anyway now have a 1976 HR2 with 15kva alternator, believe it to be ex MOD and only has 500hrs use.
After building a sound proof shed and underground exhaust system it run perfectly for 2 days (about 8hrs) on the 3rd day it was chucking out a lot of white smoke which I believe was un-burnt fuel, believing the bores where glazed I fully loaded it and sprayed a mist of water down the inlet. This cured the white smoke but after a couple of weeks running it's still blowing a small amount of blue smoke and using a bit of oil.
I want to change the oil but I totally confused after reading loads of threads on the subject which all seem to contradict one another.
I can't get the 20/20 stated by Lister out here in France (looked everywhere) some threads suggest 15/40???
Your vast knowledge would be much appreciated on this much talked about subject.
Also any other advice on running this HR2 would be greatly received.
Thanks in advance 

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Help needed ST3 SOM Brush 10.5 kva
« on: February 21, 2016, 04:18:43 PM »
Just replied to your PM, I'll have a look on mine tomorrow to see if I can help

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Engines / ST3
« on: January 05, 2012, 04:40:18 PM »
Need to order full gasket set for my ST3 problem is my supplier needs to know if it's 1975 onwards.
The engine plate is missing how can I tell what sort of age it is? (pre or post 1975)
Thanks as always.

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Generators / Re: Battery bank
« on: December 07, 2011, 10:14:36 AM »
Are these batteries good for what I want to do with them?
They all hold a charge of 6.5volts+.They cost me very little not even scrap value do you think it’s best to invest the money to buy the proper charger for these or try and get my hands on the other type of battery.
These batteries came from the back up communications system of a very large pharmaceutical company when they moved and building was demolished. They hadn’t reached their service life.

Casey, I found a fork lift charger... the supply it requires is 240volt 51amp? In the UK?

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Generators / Re: Battery bank
« on: December 06, 2011, 08:29:58 AM »
Casey, 240v x 51amp = 12,240w ? The imput the charger requires. I'm new to this so happy to admit I could be wrong, if I'm not might it make you look a bit of a Knob...

My batteries are sealed so must be AGM?
http://www.enersun.com.au/files/PDF/Batteries/EN160-6.pdf
Does this make any differance to charging rates etc?

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Generators / Re: Battery bank
« on: December 05, 2011, 06:35:20 PM »
Hi Mike, thanks for the help.
I live in France and have no mains electric, I’ve now been running off a generator for 6 years so I’m used to only having electric for around 8 hours a day. I have a VERY limited budget so can’t go spending 1000’s on inverters etc.
Since your last message I’ve located a forklift charger (48 volt) but it needs 51 amps and there’s no way my genny is going to run that, the genny is a maximum of 10kva /8kw.
After seeing how much power I need to charge my battery bank I think I’m gonna have to re think things.
All I really need from my batteries is around 8 hours of power at no more than 1000watts (most of the time less than 500 probably)
As you might have guessed I’m really confused about what I should do.........
I’m now thinking of only using 4 out of the 12 batteries to create 24 volt 640 ah so I won’t need such a big charger, 50amp I’m guessing will be enough. 
What do ya recon ?
I’m waiting for permission to put up PV panels so will use the rest of the batteries then.
What are flooded cells? What is AGM?

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Generators / Re: Battery bank
« on: December 04, 2011, 12:40:58 PM »
Maximum load for the majority of the time will be less than a KW but it would be good if I had upto 3 KW on standby.  Pure sine 220/240 AC.
If I stick with the battery bank I’m running at the moment its spec’s are
48 volt 1280 amp hr how long would it need charging and at what amps?

What I want to do is run the generator for as little time as possible (price of fuel now).
I’m really not sure what I should be doing to build the most efficient system and need someone to tell me how my batteries should be set up... 12, 24, 36 or 48volt and then what I need to charge them.
When I look on ebay there are plenty of inverters but none of them seem to have a high enough charging amps.
Help... I’m now paying 1 euro a litre for red derv and running the genny for around 8 hours every day.
Would I be better off getting a 24volt truck alternator, bolting it to the genny and charging the batteries this way?
Thanks for the help.

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