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Lister Based Generators / Re: Lister Genset pair for Canadian fishing lodge
« on: November 19, 2016, 07:58:19 PM »
Lookin' good in Scotland  ;D

Cheers, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Reverse power protection
« on: April 11, 2016, 07:55:39 PM »
Hi Mike,

All multi generator systems feeding the same bus are designed to tolerate some degree of backfeeding. They would be permanently tripping 'off the board' if they didn't. Current default setting on 'power management system' (SYMAP) http://www.stuckegroup.com/en/home-page/products/symap/ for a 3 x 330kW system I operate at work is 5% though I'm not sure what the time limit is. I was going to push mine up to 5%, my logic being that SMA would set their defaults as low as possible to prevent any litigation from people using 'hobby' type Chinese gensets with their inverters. I was hoping the Lister could cope with more. Having since spoken to a Lister man and a chap who specializes in this kind of thing, 5% seems acceptable for 30 seconds. Normally I would just leave it as is but I recently fried a starter motor.



https://lifeattheendoftheroad.wordpress.com/2016/03/16/porky-delights/

I replaced the starter with a new one I had but I've not really gotten the bottom of what caused it to fail, so until I do I've set the system to 'manual start only'. My Lister man reckons a sticky solenoid may be the problem, entirely possible I guess as I repaired it several years ago by drilling out the rivets that hold it together and repairing a broken wire inside. Thing is, as of yet I've been unable to replicate the fault.

Cheers, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Re: HR2 info please
« on: April 01, 2016, 10:42:26 AM »
Quote from: nuttyprofessor on February 21, 2016, 04:38:41 PM
Hi Guys,
Haven't been on here for ages, haven't needed to as the old ST3 had been behaving itself. It finally gave up after running for 5 years for up to 8 hours a day.
Anyway now have a 1976 HR2 with 15kva alternator, believe it to be ex MOD and only has 500hrs use.
After building a sound proof shed and underground exhaust system it run perfectly for 2 days (about 8hrs) on the 3rd day it was chucking out a lot of white smoke which I believe was un-burnt fuel, believing the bores where glazed I fully loaded it and sprayed a mist of water down the inlet. This cured the white smoke but after a couple of weeks running it's still blowing a small amount of blue smoke and using a bit of oil.
I want to change the oil but I totally confused after reading loads of threads on the subject which all seem to contradict one another.
I can't get the 20/20 stated by Lister out here in France (looked everywhere) some threads suggest 15/40???
Your vast knowledge would be much appreciated on this much talked about subject.
Also any other advice on running this HR2 would be greatly received.
Thanks in advance 

Sounds like the same HR2 I've got, ex MOD 15kVA from a satellite tracking station, fine machine if not a tad noisy. Have you been a little over enthusiastic with your silencing? Lister are very specific about exhaust diameters, back pressure and pipe length. http://www.winget.co.uk/document/R.A.%20LISTER%20HR3%20WORKSHOP%20MANUAL.pdf See page 6 about diameter/length and back pressure. Too much back pressure could well be the source of your woes.

Good luck, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Reverse power protection
« on: April 01, 2016, 10:03:55 AM »
Does anyone have any idea of a suitable 'reverse power' protection setting for a HR2 15kVA genset ? I have one coupled to an 'off grid' system with an SMA inverter and several 'AC coupled' sources. If a generator start is requested to charge the batteries and then say the wind gets up and starts to put more current onto the AC bus than the genny is producing it shuts down. That's fair enough, but if the wind is gusty the generator keeps stopping and starting, just wondered if the current default setting was too low, it's 3% for 30 seconds I think. Do you think I could raise it?

Cheers, Paul

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Things I want to Buy / Re: Lister CS bed / base wanted SW england
« on: September 01, 2012, 07:50:54 PM »
Hi Guy, phone Simon at Raasay Engineering, he has two, or at least he did a few weeks ago, also has the alternators I think, not CS's but JP's pretty sure they're the same. http://listerengine.com/smf/index.php?topic=6010.msg69674#msg69674 The guy that bought them only wanted the engines, the bases were still sat outside his workshop last time I was there.

Good luck, Paul

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Engines / Re: SR2 oil leak
« on: September 01, 2012, 07:44:28 PM »
Thanks DGM, I was so pleased with myself I had to tell the whole world  ::)

Cheers, Paul

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Engines / SR2 oil leak
« on: September 01, 2012, 07:52:23 AM »
Morning chaps,

Cyril my 1972 SR2 has been leaking oil since I bought him, no big deal but he'd only done 50h when I bought him and has just clocked up another hundred as back up for my 'off grid' set up. It was nothing major, just wee drips that were getting blown onto my battery bank by the fan. As it was a poor day on Wednesday I had a look at it.

It was quite a common leak on the SR's and ST's and it came from the D shaped rubbers sandwiched between the heads and alloy pump and pushrod casing.

Being a lazy type and as the engine only had 150h on it I did them without removing the heads http://lifeattheendoftheroad.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/wettest-summer-in-100years-aye-right/ not very 'kosher' I know but it did the trick and saved me some graft.

Cheers, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Request advice
« on: July 25, 2012, 06:31:45 AM »
Morning Mark,

that will be Lister's own 'rubberized concrete'  ;D



Here's one on my skid mounted HR2 but believe me, were it not for the dry sump arrangement with hi capacity oil tank underneath it would be getting bolted solidly to Scotland  ;)



As per my SR2



and SR1, dunno why Photobucket turned that  ???



or that.

They do have there place but it is in ships, portable installations and upstairs floors in banks and shopping malls at the expense of reliability. My HR2 as already broken a starter solenoid wire at 3000h and will probably break the exhaust flexible coupling at some point. The SR2 has sat there since 1969 without a single cracked exhaust or broken wire. The ST2 that sat on the SR2 mounts did the same for fifteen years as my main power source, running 6 to 8n hours daily.

I know, I have a real 'bee in my bonnet' about this and my engineering background would have always gone for rubber mounts until meeting, and getting to know Mr Lister of Scotland himself. A man that really is a 'legend in his own lifetime' in these parts.

Sorry to keep 'banging on about it',  ::) Paul 


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Lister Based Generators / Re: Request advice
« on: July 23, 2012, 11:42:03 PM »
Quote from: Tom on July 23, 2012, 10:52:20 PM
"Think about it chaps, why would they specify tons of concrete if a few rubber mounts would do the job."

Maybe R.A. Lister had secret investments in all the concrete plants in England.  :P ::) ;D

 ;D  ;D  ;D and Scotland  ;)

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Startomatic solenoid
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:09:10 PM »
Cheers Tom, I've just ordered two, they should be here tomorrow, at least that will rule it out. I was kinda thinking along the same lines, like the genny only starts infrequently with cold oil and low batteries so it's drawing more current than it would with a well charged battery. I'm changing the oil too to a multigrade as I seem to remember using a straight 30w last time and it's hardly been a warm summer here.

Thanks, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Request advice
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:03:21 PM »
Bolt it directly into one ton of concrete just as RA Lister recommended,



Do NOT rubber mount it and certainly do NOT mount it on a railway sleeper.

RA Lister stipulated solid concrete bases for all there generating plant that was to be run for an extended period for a very good reason. Flexible mounts means broken exhausts, failed electrics and work hardened copper wiring that will snap.

Rubber/flex/wooden mounts are only for in boats where there is no other option, mains failure sets that run infrequently or shipping containers and other moveable structures.

Don't believe me, just check out the manuals, OK, I know there will now be a deluge of folk telling me how 'damn fine splendid' there flexible mounts are but I know a guy in his sixties that served his time with RA Lister in Scotland before branching out on his own. All he does is go around remote highland estates and islands fixing and installing Lister generator sets and he's been doing it for forty years.

He once told me that his 'bread and butter' was fixing wiring problems caused by flexible mounts and railway sleepers.

Think about it chaps, why would they specify tons of concrete if a few rubber mounts would do the job.



This is my old ST2 running with a pound coin on the rocker cover, loosen any one of the mounting bolts just one quarter of a turn and it will fall over.

I see yours is for a standby set Frank so you may well get away with rubber, but long term you're just asking for trouble. Remember these engines were designed to run 24/7 and that's what they'll do if mounted correctly.

Cheers, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Startomatic solenoid
« on: July 23, 2012, 08:34:21 PM »
Just fitted a second hand one and all seems peachy, checked the voltage at the switching terminal and its not sticking or getting warm, any ideas chaps. All the battery connections are good, though the batteries could do with replacing, which I'll do shortly. Checked the DC brushes to see if they were sticking too but all seems fine.

Cheers, Paul

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Lister Based Generators / Startomatic solenoid
« on: July 23, 2012, 08:04:13 AM »
Hi Chaps,

my mates ST2 startomatic has just burnt out its third starter solenoid in five years.



I know that may not sound excessive to some folks but this genny only starts around a few dozen times a year, if that, probably uses less than twenty gallons of fuel a year.

http://lifeattheendoftheroad.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/the-perfect-memento/

As it's just a backup for a solar/hydro system in a remote 'holiday let' it does not get much use but needs to be 'idiot proof'.

Is it possible that something is keeping the solenoid energized  ??? and if so what, any ideas peeps.

Cheers, Paul

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Generators / Re: Lister house
« on: June 18, 2012, 06:20:04 PM »
Hi Frank, we're all seafarers or farmers here  ;D

really glad that you found some useful links on the blog, you can't have enough info on Listers  ;) My 1972 SR2 fired up all on its own (via the inverter) yesterday and probably worked the hardest it's ever done in forty years. I bought it last year with only 50h on the clock  :o ex standby set. he sure was sweet, did a six hour charge of the batteries then shut down nice as you like. As I'm certainly no electrician I was well pleased  ;D Now all I have to do is finish the shed, move the HR2 into it,  get that one to do the same and then build a house  :-\

Cheers, Paul

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Engines / Re: Lister HR
« on: June 18, 2012, 06:18:25 AM »
Morning Blue,

I run a HR2 as my main generator, a high spec ex military one out of a satellite tracking station, in ten years it's never missed a beat and only failed to start once when I let it run out of fuel    ::)

Totally 'bomb proof' and not really a great deal thirstier than the ST's and SR's, though, as with all diesels they like to be loaded.

Good luck, Paul

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