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Waste Vegetable Oil / Burning SVO and WVO properly
« on: January 28, 2011, 05:55:39 AM »
I happened to find the site below and felt the author a) knew what he was doing and b) validated that he knew what he was talking about with his results.

I thought others here would find it very interesting.

Also, don't miss checking out his home page as there is other cool stuff.



General Discussion / Admin - Updated site software with Captcha?????
« on: November 20, 2009, 10:53:42 PM »

Would it be possible to get the site software up to the current rev (if it's not already) and implement Captcha?

The reason that I ask, is the site came back up and I was using my preferred login which has a gmail address.† Worked fine for a few days and now no longer will let me in under that login/address telling me I've been banned.

Can we please fix this properly?

This is the only site that I have this problem with and it's a huge bummer to have to maintain an entirely different email account specifically for this site.† The hardest part is remembering to check it since I don't use it for anything else.  It's highly irritating...

I understand why Andrew implemented what he did regarding gmail and he supposedly did it because of the old site software.† However, there must be some other way around the issue because, again, this is the ONLY site that I frequent (and I'm on the web A LOT) that has a ban like this.† Worst case, can't we just upgrade to the latest SMF software and eliminate the whole issue so we can use whatever email account we want to?



if you'd just let me know...


Link has been updated.

Steve¬  ¬ ;D

Everything else / Solar industry seeing a big glut
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:01:23 AM »
I've been patiently waiting for this!!!!!

Haven't been following closely and had no idea that prices have fallen ~ 40%...



General Discussion / Tarp
« on: August 13, 2009, 09:50:21 PM »
This literally makes me ill.

I wonder if the thought of repaying it to the bond holders ever even crossed their minds????

And no, please don't get into bashing one side or the other as the repubs grew govt larger than ever in the history of the country, so they're just as bad.

This is a party where everyone in power wants to keep the ponzi scheme going until the bottom drops out.

Hey Congress, I REALLY need a shop.  It could be used to job creation.... (mine)

"A bill winding its way through Congress proposes to prop up deteriorating apartment complexes by injecting $2 billion from the Troubled Asset Relief Program into an effort to stabilize multifamily properties in default or foreclosure."

"The bill, which is called the TARP for Main Street Act and was sponsored by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-Brooklyn and Manhattan), would use TARP funds that have been returned by banks and plow it into programs that, according to the bill, would create "sustainable financing" for the complexes as well as provide funding for property rehabilitation."

I want to puke now...


Generators / Difference between 3 phase STC and Stamford heads???
« on: August 12, 2009, 07:43:59 PM »
I've been looking at both of these heads.

If both are 12 wire designs, what's the difference between them?  Is it only that one design uses brushes and the other doesn't?

I've been toying with what Bob presented (splitting the stator and using it to charge batteries). 

Seems like it's a doable idea that might just work extremely well...

To that end, what's the difference between these generator designs and will either work fine?

Lastly, can a 3 phase head also be wired to operate in single phase instead?  Is it just as efficient as a dedicated single phase head or "will it work" but less efficently because it's "converted"?

Finally, is there any difference in efficency between the STC design and the Stamford designs?

(Also, I'm assuming that the ST is single phase, and the STC is 3 phase.  If my assumptions are incorrect, please let me know...)

Any info would be much appreciated!  I've been searching the web but haven't been able to find answers to these questions...



Lister Based Generators / Polar Power...
« on: July 25, 2009, 09:12:56 PM »
Well, I might as well give away my big secret for the good of the group!¬ 

I'm starting to sound like a damn socialist...


In all seriousness, I stumbled up this company while researching DC generators.¬  This is the direction that I would like to go as long as they're not overly expensive.¬  I had also been looking at using a forklift motor, but this would be a better solution if it would work.

I'm envisioning a bracket that would attach to the Lister bearing cover using longer bolts, that would be larger in diameter than the flywheel (kind of like a heavy duty flywheel cover) that the generator would be bolted to.¬ 

Direct drive utopia...

I have been planning on contacting the CEO to inquire what they would charge to wind one that would run at lower RPM but have been too busy with other projects.

Alternator has 12 Poles....

Here are the alternator specs (worth the read):

And here is their main website that has good info regarding why to use a DC generator.¬  Lots of good info buried on this site:

Any company that sells something THIS cool, obviously has their thinking cap on:

They also do solar including manufacturing their own cells!

Finally, check out this cool micro co-generation unit!!!!!

And no, I have no relation to them.¬  I simply find the company and their products compelling...


Steve¬ ¬  8)

Everything else / Heat Exchanger
« on: July 24, 2009, 06:47:23 AM »
I happened to see this on Ebay and it got me thinking...

Why not run the exhaust through the big side connections on something like this and use the end connections to generate hot water or use it to preheat just about any alternate fuel or for whatever?

I would think it would be pretty efficient heat transfer.

Yes, it would likely create back pressure, but I'm wondering how much as I bet there is significant space between the tubes...

It might also function as a decent muffler...

All stainless, so when it cokes up, just rinse it out with water....¬  The tubing won't dissolve or melt....

A bit spendy, but might be worth it in the long run....



General Discussion / The Crash Course
« on: June 14, 2009, 03:14:01 AM »
Clytle374 posted a link in the GM thread to Chris Martenson's site.


Firstly, thanks Clytle374 for the link!

Martenson's research and analysis is thorough, accurate and to the point.  Regardless of which side of the fence one sits on, I believe there is much to be taken away from this material.

I would HIGHLY recommend taking the time to watch the Crash Course. 

Yes, it will take several hours.  However I believe once you start watching, you won't be able to stop.  I know I wasn't able to.

I believe you will be glad you did.



Original Lister Cs Engines / Lister Paint Code in the USA?
« on: April 15, 2009, 10:22:50 PM »
Greetings all,

Yes, I've searched both this site and the web for this.

I'm looking for a cross for Lister's Mid Brunswick Green here in the US. 

I've tried crossing the BS numbers and nothing comes up.

Anyone have the correct paint codes?

If not, I'll have something matched and post the codes here.

Please let me know.



Original Lister Cs Engines / Really, really nice Lister CD!
« on: March 18, 2009, 03:58:04 AM »
Not mine but I have one just like it... (just not running yet)


I want this one also, but alas, it's too far away...



Lister Based Generators / 20/2 with gen head
« on: March 09, 2009, 06:24:07 AM »
Happened to see this while browsing and thought someone might be interested.

Not mine, nor any relation to the seller.

Lister Based Generators / Lister diesel generator 3 phase
« on: February 10, 2009, 06:45:32 AM »
Okay here's the deal - I found this over a week ago and emailed the seller asking if he was willing to ship it.¬  He won't...

It's killing me because I really, really want it, but I'd rather it go to a good home than the scrap guy so I'm publicizing my find.

Somebody down there please grab it.

If nobody has the $$$ but would be willing to pick it up, crate or strap it to a pallet and ship it to me via Forward Air (or any reasonably priced shipper), I'd be more than happy to pay them for their trouble...¬  I'm located in Tacoma, WA and it's simply too far from me at this point.

I figure that I'll give this site a day or two before adding it to the Smokstak site just so the real Lister guys have a shot at it.  I just don't want to see it get scrapped...

Again, if someone would be willing to help me out by shipping it, I'd be all over it...

And no, it's not mine nor do I have any relation to the seller.



Original Lister Cs Engines / Tool Question
« on: February 04, 2009, 05:56:03 PM »
Am in the process of acquriing a "real" Lister.

From a tool standpoint, are the fasteners metric, standard, or what?

Do I have to order British standard tools or will normal US tools work fine without buggering up the fasteners?

Any insight would be appreciated!



Listeroid Engines / Which would you choose????
« on: January 25, 2009, 04:39:11 AM »

Here's my dilemma:

I've been a lurker here for many years.  I've also at one time been a mechanic and while not a "properly" trained machinist, I do have a garage with metal working tools and enough knowledge to be very dangerous.  I also have years of engine building experience...

So here's the thing, I've been wanting a Lister twin for about five years.  Until today, I thought they fired 180 degrees out and my thinking was that I wanted to minimize pulses with a genset..

Today, I find out that they don't fire that way...  (don't know how I missed that...)

So, the dilemma is this, I can either stay the course and find either a 20/2 or 25/2 and slow it down as planned (850 rpm or so) or I can go with a locally available 10/1.

For now this is a hobby genset.  However the long term plan is buy a piece of retirement property someplace far removed from the grid and use it as a prime mover.  As such, I want enough power for it to run my machine tools and whatever else I may want.  My compressor is likely my worst load with a 7.5 hp single phase motor...

I'm specifically curious to hear from the folks who have actually owned the larger twins (rocketboy) to see how they would approach the whole shebang if they were to do it again from the beginning.

The 10/1 that is available nearby can come with a ST12 head so that pair might be a possibility...  I know the genhead is a bit large but the price would be right...

While I'm not a Lister long-timer, I do have a fair amount of experience and am not afraid of the big twin.  For example, my initial reaction to the camshaft issue is simply to remove it during tear down of the new engine and have a pattern made for a "real" one at the local camshaft grinder and simply replace it.

Finally, I also have a real Lister SR2 6.5kw set that I recently acquired.  I haven't even had a chance to play with it to make sure it works.  The point is, I think I have the lower power demand stuff covered already by using this genset.  However, the slow speed larger units are just very appealing for some reason...

Thoughts / opinions?

Thanks in advance for the help!


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