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General Discussion / Would this work ?
« on: December 25, 2021, 08:35:53 AM »
This bit From a recent post went unnoticed and the post moved on from the original subject. I am interested in this and decided to re-post.

The context here is the possibility of using several identical smart chargers to charge several batteries in series at the same time using a generator to power the chargers. This author gave his opinion.

I've also seen some people suggest separate small, inexpensive 12V chargers for each battery. This will perform the same type of balancing as BMS or multi-bank chargers.

I have seen this too. How does one go about isolating each individual battery for this?

most of the newer smart chargers are isolated...note the most not all.

You don't have to isolate the batteries when charging, as long as the entire bank is being charged at once.

You can imagine that applying a single 12V charger to part of your battery pack will never complete charging the battery that it is hooked up to because the other batteries that are not charging would be adding load. In this situation, the hooked up battery would be taking considerable abuse by having all the current flowing through it to the other discharged batteries.

But if you had a separate 12V charger attached to each battery, charging all at once, each battery has enough autonomy, even while wired in series, to allow the charger to select the charging phase according to that battery's needs. So the first battery to the constant current cutoff would start the constant voltage phase with decreasing amps, even while it's neighbor was still taking full amps. You won't get much cross battery flow since they are all in a charging phase and should be close to the same voltage. Once all the batteries get to the constant voltage phase, there won't be any cross flow, because there is no voltage difference. As each charger drops into the float phase, reduced voltage and amps, there will be some minor cross flow, but since the amps are down across the entire pack, the amount of current flow should be negligible. As long as one charger is pushing current, all of the batteries would stay at a higher than resting voltage, but not really getting any more charge. Once the last charger shut off, the whole pack would return to it's resting voltage.

While there is some room for a massively out-of-balance battery to confuse some of the chargers, this strategy will keep the batteries top balanced by tailoring the charge to each battery, so a dramatically out-of-balance situation would be rare. If you noticed that one charger ran consistantly longer than the others, it would indicate a failing cell. This is similar to noting that one battery never hit peak voltage and starting shunting with BMS.

This is why the multi-bank chargers, hooked up to individual batteries that are connected in series (like ours) or parallel (house batteries in RV's and boats) work so well in keeping the batteries in balance.

Eric

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General Discussion / fuel tank
« on: August 21, 2021, 07:37:36 PM »
Anybody have experience dealing with holes in the tank? I soldered one hole but there is a rusty area about 2 square inches that could use a patch.

Seems I heard of some substance that can be poured into the tank to fix leaks. The tank is generic so to speak and cannot be easily replaced.

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Everything else / Hydraulic advice needed
« on: June 24, 2020, 06:58:35 AM »
Hydraulic advice needed :  I want to use a open center control valve in conjunction with a hydraulic motor that is down stream from the valve. In other words the fluid would pass through the open center valve and on to the motor. The idea is the control valve could act as a bypass to stop the motor if needed by shorting the fluid directly back to the reservoir. I am not a hydraulic person but it seems to me the open center would not restrict or cause unwanted reactions from the motor.

Also the valve I have in mind has a built in relief valve but I suspect it is designed to protect the spool valve and would not function with what I have in mind.

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Generators / A hypothetical generator application
« on: December 26, 2019, 05:29:50 PM »
 
Two AC generators, one 25000 watt 104 amp at 220 volts and one 6500 watt 30 amp at 220 volt, diesel powered with mechanical governors.
Both generators altered to DC through appropriate heavy-duty high PIV diodes.
One 30 hp DC motor, 220 volt, separately excited, 100 amp draw fully loaded. Draw at no load unknown.
The generators are paralleled to produce 134 amps at 220 volt DC.
1.   The major generator is variable speed so as to idle in no load situations.
2.   The minor generator is set to constant speed.
The theory
The minor generator is set to 220 volts thereabouts (perhaps slightly over) via the governor. The major generator is set to 220 volt via the governor when pulled up to full speed.
When a full load is coming on the major generator is brought up to speed. When the load hits, the minor generator will droop and fall back to 220 volts thereby allowing the major generator to share the load.
When paralleled, because of the PIV of the diodes the generators cannot catastrophically interfere with each other in the usual ways as when paralleling straight DC or straight AC generators. 
QUESTIONS
Under normal paralleling operations the two generators will lock up and become one as long as both are producing. Will these two hypothetical generators have a tendency to lockup in spite of the diodes??
Will a 100-amp normally AC circuit breaker work under these DC conditions??
Two mechanical governors might be a problem??

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Engines / Lister SL1
« on: August 27, 2019, 07:31:03 PM »
Looking to rebuild a Lister SL1. I sent the crank off to the shop. They say the crank is off  by .002.  They couldn't find the tolerance limit for this engine and suggested that being off that much would kill the oil pressure. I wonder if with a new bearing that .002 would be acceptable.as far as the  oil pressure is concerned.

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Engines / HR2
« on: October 29, 2018, 06:36:49 PM »
Any body familiar with these engines? Finishing a rebuild and have it setup as  per the manual. Will run at 1800 rpm until loaded then the rpm falls off on account the pump rack coming up against the overload trip.

The spill is correct. The fuel pump and governor settings are correct to the last step,which is setting engine load.

This involves turning the overload stop downwards or upwards for various speeds. Not sure what they mean by that.

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