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Original Lister Cs Engines / Electric starter
« on: April 21, 2020, 04:10:21 PM »
Hi All

At long last and thanks to the lockdown I've finally assembled the parts for the electric starter.

It's quite a simple affair, I got a friend in the UK to get me a 12mm steel blank knocked up - water jet, to fit the centre of a Land Rover 2 1/4 flywheel (left over from when I changed the engine in my Series III for a 200 tdi from a Discovery) onto a weldable taper lock bush sized to fit the shaft on the Stamford alternator, alongside the serpentine belt pulley (there's just enough free length), that took a couple of years or so.

So, in the middle of last week I dragged the Lister from under the covers in the corner of the shed and set too.

First problem was rotation, it's not possible to fit the starter between the engine and the alternator, the body of the starter motor fouls the body of the 220v alternator, so it had to hang off the rear, on the other side. A shame really, it would have been a neater installation. This meant turning the alternator round and running off the other flywheel. The other option was start again with a larger diameter flywheel, but that could take another couple of years....

Obviously the alternator, apart from the direction of the air cooling) is indifferent to direction of rotation.  As the alternator mountings are not symmetrical it was out with the disc grinder and start again.

Once it was re aligned I shaped a short length of 3" of angle iron to take the starter and aligned it to the flywheel with a square and tacked it to the chassis. I set it up to be adjustable in the manner of a vehicle alternator, to allow for the Stamford alternator moving slightly as the drive belt is tensioned.

First results, with a set of jump leads were a bit disappointing, it wouldn't get over compression, even winding the engine as far back as possible to give it a run up, but with 8 /10 rotations there was enough momentum fire up a cold engine when the decompressor was released - at 15 degrees ambient, I doubted if it would at zero!

Anyway I carried on and made a decent job of bracing the fitting up, well, as decent as my welding allows! and once I'd connected the battery with a couple of short leads and decent terminals the results were much improved.

There was so much more torque that the serpentine pulley was spinning inside the belt until the engine speed picked up and then it was far faster, I turned the rev counter on (it's supplied by a PP3 battery) and it was clocking 190 rpm after a few seconds. the best I could manage with the handle was 165!

With the slipping belt problem out of the way it might well get over the compression stroke from a standing start, on 'low' anyway.

I've sent off via eBay for some belt dressing as I feel the belt is tight enough already - it doesn't slip under a 3 kva load - should that not provide a cure I'll get a longer belt and knock up an adjustable idler pulley to get more 'wrap' around the driven pulley.

I suppose the next task is to set up a control panel for 'stop and start' with solenoids to get just a little bit closer to a Startomatic.

There's probably enough time left in the lockdown........


General Discussion / Listers as art
« on: June 19, 2019, 03:21:35 PM »
Hi all,
As I've said elsewhere I'm involved in a hoverbarge project and this has dragged me off to Scotland

Anyway I found this in a bar, The James Watt, in Greenock


General Discussion / Diesel!!
« on: February 16, 2019, 03:58:40 PM »
I don't know if this short movie has been mentioned before, anyway I was led this way whilst wandering further thro' the WWW.



Waste Vegetable Oil / Real Engineer's Spice Rack
« on: September 16, 2018, 05:17:23 PM »
Hi All

The nights are drawing in, the trees are changing colour and the temperature is starting to drop, so I started wonder at what temperature my 80% WVO / 20% Dino would start to wax.

After a bit I came up with this, SWMBO said it was the worst diy spice rack she'd seen.......

Anyway it's screwed to the inside wall of an open car port so once I've nicked a thermometer from somewhere I'll have a good Redneck early warning system, for nothing but an hours fun.


General Discussion / 'shrooms
« on: September 10, 2018, 09:45:52 PM »
Hi All
As Ed and Gary have the TS3 under control and SWMBO is away for a few days I thought I'd post up about tonight's supper.

It was an omelette, filled with chanterelle mushrooms, picked this morning whilst walking the dog in the woods, cooked in butter with a small clove of garlic and half a shallot, with the butt end of yesterdays loaf fried off in the remaining grease, washed down with a glass of cheap (ish) red wine. Honest, it was up there with a well balanced CS as far as self satisfaction goes.....

Whilst this post is fairly irrelevant on this forum, those who are not going 'WTF?' or simply ignoring it will know where I'm coming from.

Should I fail to post again, don't try this at home.........


Straight Vegetable Oil / Cheap centrifuge?
« on: August 30, 2018, 09:21:12 AM »
Hi All

So, as I got home in the Landy (a 1999 TD5) I sat a moment and listening to the centrifugal oil filter spool down, it takes around 25 seconds, I started to think.(I'm sure Ed has warned about this in the past)

If a steering pump motor, running around 125 PSI,  was rigged to a centrifugal oil filter housing, with a standard filter would it pull enough crap out to make it all worthwhile?

I know there's bigger ones on large marine diesels, I've ended up quite grubby servicing them!

If you've nothing to do when you're next round your dad's scrapyard, Glort.........

Anyone any ideas?

Cheers Stef

Everything else / Micro power gen
« on: August 17, 2018, 05:56:58 PM »
Hi Guys

I posted a few months back about buying an off grid barn, still not mine yet, French Bureaucracy has to be seen to be believed!

Anyway, I'm doing my research a bit at a time, so.......

Anyone had any dealings with this system, or similar?



Everything else / I've only gone and done it!
« on: May 05, 2018, 10:28:19 AM »
Hi All,

After only 4 years of looking I've found an ancient stone barn, off grid, in my (meager!) price range with a head of water, a decent view, 5 hecares (14 acres) of extremely sloping  land, backing on to a HUGE wood and far enough away from the neighbours so they won't moan about the Lister!

See Google map link for details


I haven't signed anything yet, but we 'spat and shook', up here that's pretty binding, It should be mine in 2/3 months, anything over a hectare has to be offered to the local farming community for two months, at the agreed price first, generally not a problem.

It's bigger than I wanted, so I think I'll end up with a decent integral workshop.

So, the first of many questions, there's a stream above the property I'd like to use as a supply for a small hydro scheme.

It would involve a 200m long 25mm id mdpe pipe and have a vertical drop of 35 meters - 120 feet. I've had a scout around on the WWW and can't come up with a definitive answer, so, could anyone here point towards a useful site or tell me how much power I'd get allowing for the friction loss in the pipe?

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Lister (oid) Dynastart
« on: March 13, 2018, 06:50:57 PM »
So, back to the sordid subject of engineering!

There I was bumbling around on Youtube and I ran across this........


A clip of a car alternator being used as a prime mover for a go cart, it must have some grunt to hit around 40 kph...

As is well documented on here, my knowledge of things electronical is somewhere on the sc an side of non existant and I ain't much better at things electrical either, I can copy and repair but innovation ain't me.

So, would it be possible / practical to use a 90 amp or so alternator to start a CS and then run as a alternator to charge the start battery (s) on either 12 or 24 volts?

I went on to read that most applications use a variable speed controller, of which there are umpteen on Ebay, however, it would appear that a simple controller, using 3 Hall Effect switches should suffice to power up at a given speed.

Looking at an alternator with a pulley for a serpentine belt that, been kicking around my shed for a while it would be running around 9/1 driving directly on to a 22" flywheel.

Has it been done, is it practical, do circuit diagrams for the 'speed controller'  already exist, ect, or have I beaten Elon Musk to the punch?

All answers (and any amount of derision!) appreciated.

Cheers Stef

General Discussion / Nothing to do with Listers!
« on: February 20, 2018, 05:32:14 PM »
Hi All

I've spent the last few weeks persuading a a 200 TDI from a Land Rover Discovery into a very nice 1980 Land Rover Series 3 pick up.

It's in, plumbed and wired up and sound great, I have one small problem........

The original motor had a mechanical 'pull to stop', the 200 TDI has an 'energise to run' solenoid, I don't have a spare connection on the Ignition switch that will stay 'live' when the engine cranks.

I've wired the solenoid to the brake light circuit,  the only connection that stays live is to the glow plugs so I've added a link to the solenoid, opened buy a 'momentary on' switch, as you turn the key you press the button and once the motor fires releasing the button stops the 'back feed' to the heater plugs.

My question is (not being 'overly electrically minded') what diode do I replace the momentary switch with, to stop the back feed?

A link to something suitable on Ebay would be greatly appreciated.

Not a Lister query, but I know I'll get a swift and sensible reply on here, the sort of blokes you get on the Landy fora will try to persuade me to go down all sorts of other routes!

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Power meter
« on: November 16, 2017, 08:07:24 PM »
Hi All

A few weeks back, well more like months, truth be told, I had a spare couple of hours and whilst gazing at my CS I was wondering about fine tuning.

On the theory that an engine in a high state of tuning would use less fuel I came up with a simple power meter that magnifies the movement of the injector pump fuel rack.

It's a simple cam that is directly connected to a pointer. there's a movable marker against the dial face, the idea being that before making any further adjustment the current rack position is marked with a fixed load, 500w lamp, immersion element, electric kettle, whatever is to hand.

After making an adjustment, IP timing, injector pressure, tappet clearance ect. any change in fuel usage when running with the same load, at the same revs, should be apparent.

Obviously it won't be the ultimate tuning device, but from the few minutes I spent playing with it it certainly detects extra load being applied, and I hope it will register the difference when using fuels other than dino diesel.

Since then other projects, log splitter, car port, local farmers livestock trailer, running a B&B ect, have got in the way so I've yet to put theory to the test but as the site is pretty quiet I thought I'd post up and see what sort of reaction it gets.........

Cheers Stef

Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Oversize CS Main Bearings
« on: June 27, 2017, 10:24:36 AM »
Hi All

Whilst writing a reply a few moments ago, ref one off oil seals I got thinking, the speed at which I type leaves a lot of time for thinking, and all sorts of other things.......

I have a pair of taper roller bearings sent from India, in error. They fit the bearing carriers (well the ones I was sent anyway) but are made for a 2 1/4" shaft.

If there's anyone out there with a well worn crankshaft who would like to try getting a pair of 'adaptor' sleeves turned up to suit, and fit them, using Loctite 620 or similar or heating them up to shrink on to the shaft, then they're welcome to them for the cost of postage from France.

Further details on request, as the posh ads say

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / The Proof
« on: June 07, 2017, 06:32:10 PM »
Hi All

Not long after joining the forum I read a post to the effect that 'It don't exist 'til you post the video'

Being somewhat of a technophobe, that's pretty much beyond me, posting pictures has only just become possible with the new site - thanks a second time Ade!

Anyway a couple of weeks back a mate came out help get the winter's wood in and reckoned he could do it, as he's built the rev counter for the Lister and a stand alone 12v shed alarm I let him have is head, he's gotten a bit Speilberg, IMHO, anyway all I have to do is post the link.............


Try hot to hurt his feelings too much

Cheers Stef

Original Lister Cs Engines / Governor linkage mod
« on: May 28, 2017, 05:15:01 PM »
Hi All

Having got the 3/6/8 CS bitza water cooled, at last, I've been playing with the linkage, trying to cut down the hunting.

After fettling everything, a mix of original and Indian parts, I had it down to an 8 rpm flutter, idling or on load.

I wanted to put a light spring on the free end of the rack to spring cut down the backlash but couldn't be arsed to strip down and drill a fitting into the rack, and anyway there was no likely spots for the other end of the spring.

I came up with the idea of tensioning the whole thing against it's self using the holes in the clevis pins, a spring from a set of twin SU carbs and a curved link knocked up from a 2.5mm welding rod

I had to slightly increase the tension on the governor spring, the flutter is now down to around 4 rpm, result! I don't think I'll get much better

Hopefully the photo explains all......

Cheers Stef

Generators / Alternator test
« on: January 01, 2017, 12:00:56 PM »
Hi All

I've fitted the 8kva Stamford Newage alternator with a frequency meter - 50 Hz and 100v, at 620 rpm it's showing 51 hz, with no load. its driving through a polyvee belt off the flywheel rim.

Plugging an electric kettle in to any of the three phases, each one has its own socket, drops the revs 15 rpm or so for 5/6 seconds then they build up to 617 and hold steady, with 50Hz, 9 amps on the meter and 218v.

Is it possible, advisable, worthwhile or sensible to tinker with the AVR to up the voltage to 220v or do I leave well alone?

As the alternator will produce more than the Lister, nominally a 6/1, how much load should I try as a max power test with out endangering the AVR etc as the revs drop?

All advice welcome, usual caveats apply!

Cheers Stef

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