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I have Prosine 2.0 inverter that has a 110vac circuit that when energized will cause the inverter to stop inverting and let the electricity flow through it and it will start charging the batteries. This works very well when I power this circuit with my crappy harbor freight 3500watt generator. But when I do this with the listeroid  it just flickers, tries to charge and then stops the charging and goes back to inverting....

The listeroid is wired for 110, is producing 125vac at 59hz I am wondering if it is too much voltage or if the power is just too "dirty" ?

Any help would be appreciated !


 Some of you might recognize the photos in this listing and assume it is me selling this Metro 16/1,  it is not my listing and I have contacted the seller to remove my images immediately from the listing.

Lister Based Generators / AC or DC?
« on: June 30, 2013, 11:19:38 AM »

 I have another posting on this forum detailing my ST 7.5 it has me wondering....My project is off grid and currently I have solar and some scrubber batteries along with a Prosine 2000watt inverter. I also have but do not have connected, a 3000 sine wave inverter (chinese).

I have built up a Powerline 6/1 with an ST 7.5 head, it has the usual light flicker and growls, does not appear very well built and power from it is probably not very clean. Now I am starting to wonder if going with a DC generator to recharge the batteries and just use the inverters for power is a smarter move. Weighing the pros and cons, it would seem DC to the batteries and using the inverters would be much smoother and cleaner power versus the ST that is dirty power with flickering that can't be good for any motor or appliance.

So then the question becomes where to find a DC alternator that can tolerate continuous duty at high amperage ? I am thinking up around 300amps ?



Finally pulled some power from my 6/1 -ST 7.5  yesterday but am a bit confused, the instructions that came with it were useless.  From images I have seen here it would appear I am missing a couple terminals on my gen head board?  I also am not sure what the switch on the front of the doghouse is supposed to do? The generator produces power as soon as  it spins up regardless of the switch position, the switch seems to just turn on the little red light on the doghouse but that's all ?  Maybe due to the way I am pulling power? In the photo you can see the romex tied to what I believed is 1 110v leg. I produces power and I pulled 1000 watts from it with no issue other than a weird intermittent rhythmic hum. The silly meter on the front shows 200v regardless of RPM or load....thinking it doesn't work properly?

Lister Based Generators / LD1 and golf cart starter/generator
« on: May 26, 2013, 02:23:31 PM »

I have been eyeballing an LD1 and wondering if I could put a golf cart starter / generator to it and use it for light battery charging?

Could a golf cart starter / generator start an LD1 without using the compression release?

Does anyone know if the golf cart starter/generator require an outboard regulator / controller for the fields ? Or do they automatically switch from start to charge based on the rpm (field output) ?

Listeroid Engines / ST 7.5kw on a 6/1?
« on: May 25, 2013, 09:21:33 PM »

Finally uncrated my ST 5KW from and turns out Jim shipped me a 7.5kw head,  will this even run on a 6/1? Or will it kill the engine if the load gets too high?

Can these ST heads spin either direction?

Changfa Engines / is this a good deal? ZS1130 for $850
« on: May 25, 2013, 09:30:14 AM »
No brand
ZS1130 Single cylinder, horizontal, 4-strokes, water-cooled,Direct injection Max power:30HP/2200rpm Displacement:1.593L Fuel consumption rate(g/kw.h): ≤244.8 Starting System:Hand cranking and electric comes with tool kit and extra set of piston  rings  included 1 large flywheel

Buy it now for $850

Could I drive a 10kw head at 1500rpm with one of these?

Listeroid Engines / Listeroid Base / Frame
« on: May 23, 2013, 09:05:48 AM »
 I could not really find a detailed drawing for creating a base frame for a Listeroid, so I drew and built my own,  this is designed to mount a 6/1 with room for an ST and a 12v alternator mounting, the plan is to put it on a 3/4 inch thick rubber stall mat (from Tractor Supply) and if the mat does not dampen things enough I will fill the frame with concrete to give it some mass. Frame is basically all 1/2 inch steel  W-I Beam and 1/2 inch 6x6 steel angle and weighs roughly 250-300lbs.

Next I will build an isolated frame over top of this one (self supporting and not attached to this frame to isolate any vibrations) to carry the radiator, fuel tank, exhaust system  and electrical components.


Just thought I would post this so others who might be build or drawing challenged as I am would have something to work from.

Listeroid Engines / one wire automotive alternator
« on: May 21, 2013, 10:58:30 AM »

 I have an electric start 6/1 and also have a 94amp automotive one wire alternator, I am interested in mounting the alternator for charging the start up battery, anyone have experience using a one wire alternator on a Listeroid? I am concerned that it needs to be "goosed" into producing voltage? I have an 8 inch, an 11 inch and an 18 inch pulleys that I can use to drive it but am wondering what the correct approach is? High rpm so it does not need a goose to get it started charging?

Listeroid Engines / its here ! (Powerline 6/1 "Compressor")
« on: May 19, 2013, 10:13:16 AM »
Finally received my Powerline 6/1 "compressor" from  (Jim Calder).  Now I have the painful wait for the engine kit to arrive  :(  

I opened it up and was surprisingly clean inside, it is apparent that somebody went in with a grinder of sorts and cleaned up the casting, I did find some grit in the oil reservoir area, getting that cleaned up now. I was pleasantly surprised to see a spin on oil filter kit already on it.    

Anybody know where I can get those brass water fittings that screw directly into the flanges on these engines (BSP pipe thread) ?

now the pics !

Lister Based Generators / Chinese ST 120/240 4 brush 5kw
« on: May 04, 2013, 09:50:25 AM »

 I just ordered one of the chinese 120/240 4 brush 5kw for my new 6/1 Powerline and I am thinking I want to run my off grid property at 120vac, the question is if I run the ST using only 120v is it unbalanced? I mean am I only using 2 legs and putting an uneven load on it ?  Is there a method of wiring it so it is balanced ?

Obviously I am no electrician, but I can (don't usually do it though) read instructions :)


 So I am getting ready to bite the bullet, trying to order a Powerline 6/1 electric start from (Jim is a bit slow to respond to emails). I want to set this up to provide off grid power, I have solar, wind, batteries and inverters, I am thinking the smart way to go is with a 220vac 60hz gen head and let a charger recharge the batteries. I like the idea that if the batteries or inverters crap out I can still use the Listeroid to provide power to the property.

I am wondering why everyone seems to build Listeroid gensets with ST brushed gen heads? Forgive me but wouldn't it make more sense to go with a brushless more modern design ?

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