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Hi all,

Just FYI, we are currently unable to send e-mails to gmail or googlemail addresses, this is due to a configuration change I need to make, which I'm hoping to get done shortly. In the meantime, anyone who has one of these email address will not be getting site emails e.g. topic subscriptions, PM notifications, "forgot password" mails, or - if you're trying to join the forum, you won't get the activation e-mails.

Unfortunately, until I've fixed the issue, you won't receive any e-mails from us. If you have access to an alternative e-mail account, please PM me with the details, and I can update your account; however, I do hope to have it fixed soon.

If you're trying to register, and you've got a gmail account, and have seen no e-mails from us - please e-mail me directly at listerengineforum@solutionengineers.com, and I will approve your account activation manually. If you tried to register some time ago, your account may have been removed (due to not being activated), if I can't find you I'll ask you to register again & will auto-approve you as above.

Apologies for any inconvenience caused.


General Discussion / A Book Club, of sorts...
« on: December 10, 2020, 09:24:06 PM »
Evening all!

IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ: You'll notice there's a poll on this post. Please, once you've read this message, take a few seconds to choose one of the options. I've put the "I don't care" option right at the top, so if you decide you're not interested, you don't need to read all the message, bit please DO click that one & submit your vote, that feedback is also highly valuable to me!

The poll will run for 30 days (until January 8th I guess, or thereabouts), and the results will be automatically shown after that.

Your vote is anonymous (well, I *could* dig around in the database and find out who voted which way I guess, but no-one else can), so please don't feel under any pressure to "follow the crowd".


A while ago, there was some discussion about a document repository for engine manuals, particularly Listers (obviously), but also covering other engines such as Petters, perhaps Wittes and Arrow and similar.

Around the same time, maybe a bit later, a spammer got in and tried to trash the WOK board. I locked that down at that point, and whilst a couple of threads have been suggested as "WOK" worthy, the problem with saving threads is, they tend to drift around, go off topic, sometimes end in arguments, or the original poster never comes back with updates, or etcetera.... all of which means threads end up IMHO not really being worthy of WOK after all...


So - having been giving the matter some thought, I'd like to propose a partial solution. It does, however, require some volunteers (I volunteer myself, with what little time I have, but I'm going to need help with running it). I'll do all the setup, and I'm going to try to integrate it into the forum's member system, so we don't have to register/sign in on two sites (Coppermine, I'm looking at you...).

My plan is to install some Wiki software. Kind of like Wikipedia, but the one I was specifically looking at is called BookStack. This uses a Bookshelf/Book/Chapters/Pages paradigm for sorting documents ("pages"). So, for example, we can group stuff together into engine types, and/or task type, and/or whatever. I believe (going on memory now) that a "page" can appear in multiple "books" - e.g. if someone wrote up an article on how to grind the valves for a Lister CS; this could be in a "book" about the Lister CS; as well as a "book" covering general engine maintenance (of course, we wouldn't need that actual document - everyone knows you just leave the casting sand inside the cylinder & let the engine grind it's own valves!  ;D)

We can also scan and/or re-type actual engine manuals, and add them to the library. Over time, the hope is that we can build a properly valuable resource for the owners of the various engines which get discussed here in the forums, especially as it seems likely that diesel will be in ever shorter supply in the future, as the world turns to electric transport...

Now.... if you were reading carefully, a couple of phrases might have jumped out at you above: "if someone wrote up an article..." and "scanned and/or re-type".... Yeah, this is going to involve actual work. It's also going to require people to voluntarily allow copyright to belong to LEF (or, at least, rights to publish in perpetuity), write-ups that they've done. This is a big ask, and it's my hope that you, dear reader, will consent to this should you be able and willing to write up maintenance and modification procedures for these engines, their ancilleries, and so on. Again, my thinking is we'll end up with a body of work which covers as much of the experience of buying, owning, running, maintaining and modifying engines as possible.

Now.... the next question is: Who gets access, how, and so on.... IMHO: Some of the content can be made publicly available. e.g. a document on how to date your Lister engine (and/or your Petter, Blackstone, Witte, Arrow etc.) Other stuff, e.g. a complete Haynes-style manual on a Lister CS Single complete with painstakingly drawn diagrams, is probably worthy of requiring actual monetary payment (with compensation going back to the author, just like a real book). In between that, there's probably scope for a number of smaller articles (how to grind valves WITHOUT casting sand, for example), which could be free to LEF members, but not available to casual visitors. Or something; I don't pretend to have all (or even any!) of the answers...

So.... over to you Dear Reader. In particular, I'd love your feedback on:
 - Do you like the idea?
 - Would you be willing to contribute towards "free" pages, i.e. no remuneration?
 - Would you be willing to write "paid-for" pages, with most of the money earned going back to you?
 - If we gather enough material to produce an actual honest-to-got print book, would that whet your appetite?
 - Do you think the whole thing's barmy and we should do X-Y-Z instead?

Currently, I have no more invested in this than a couple of hours playing around with BookStack. I like it's style of organisation and indexing (waaay better than most Wikis which rely on manually maintained contents pages), and IMHO - with enough participation - we could build something we can all be really proud of in the years to come.

So, gents, you thoughts please!

Also, if you got this far, now might be a great time to choose your answer in the poll, if you didn't already. You can change your vote any time up until the expiry date, so if you get persuaded a different way by any of the answers below this, assuming/when there are any, then don't worry! You're not tied to your first choice. Thanks!

PS: I'm open to alternative suggestions too, and tweaks, or wholesale changes to what I've outlined above. Please do share your ideas.

Thanks again.

General Discussion / Mad spammer attack
« on: August 31, 2020, 10:48:12 AM »
At the moment, I've got hundreds of spammers trying to register accounts at LEF. Most of these are being caught by the spam trap, but it does mean I'm wading through 100-200 new registrations per day.... so - if you're registering for real, it might take a day or two before you get authorised.

Hopefully normal service will resume fairly soon.

General Discussion / MOVED: mean mouths
« on: July 19, 2020, 10:21:01 AM »
This topic has been moved to "Quarantined threads".

As predicted, it's turned into a general slanging match. As I don't have the time or inclination to deal with it just now, this was the simplest option.

Listeroid Engines / MOVED: Importing
« on: March 09, 2020, 08:06:59 PM »

General Discussion / It's miniaturisation gone mad!
« on: February 26, 2020, 09:00:50 PM »
So... you need a 6hp prime mover eh? Well... on the one hand, there's the venerable Lister CS 6/1 - 650rpms of dieselly goodness. I'm not actually sure exactly how big it is, but the Utterpower website claims a shipping crate size of 38" by 24" by 43" (so a cubic volume of 39,216cu/in, or 22.7 cubic feet, roughly). Excluding fuel tank.

Or... you could have one of these! https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-sk8-6374-192kv-sensored-brushless-motor-14p.html

4.4kW (5.9hp), in a volume approx 14.4 cubic inches. That's rroughly 0.008 cubic feet, if I've cranked the calculator right. Or approximately 2.7 THOUSAND times smaller.

Now, if only there was some way of making the damn thing run on diesel instead of electrons....

General Discussion / Securing the site
« on: October 19, 2019, 05:50:13 PM »
Today, I finally got around to changing the site to use HTTPS (HTTP Secure, using SSL - Secure Sockets Layer). Apologies if you noticed any glitching while I figured out that I needed to update the theme URLs as well (oops  :-[).

You can see if a site is fully secured by looking for the "padlock" next to the URL. If it's not there.... then something's not secure. Probably an image. If you host your own avatar (like I do, it's linked from Coppermine), please check to see if you're using "http://" or "https://" as the address. if the former, changing it would be wise (but it's not mandatory).

I've just noticed the smileys aren't on https:// yet... so I'll go do that now.

If anyone has any problems viewing the forum, please drop me a PM or reply here, and I'll try to sort it out. But note that I'm not going trawling through 3000+ member records looking for http:// links!

General Discussion / Housekeeping - a new layout for The LEF
« on: October 19, 2019, 05:18:23 PM »
So... having been forced to give up my Saturday & poke around this place for longer than I usually do..... it seems to me it might be a good time to consider making a few changes. Nothing drastic (I've still got a document repository site on my TODO list), I'm thinking maybe rationalise and re-organise the boards a bit.  Also, as the stationary-engine.net forum sadly ceased to exist following Peter's death, I'm also wondering if we should widen the remit a little, and provide a more diverse range of stationary engines a place...

Initially, I'm thinking the following:

  • Move "Wall of Knowledge" to the bottom of the list, hopefully it'll be pensioned off and replaced by a document library instead.
  • Move the General category to the top. Add an "announcements and notices" board above General Discussion. Add a "Funny Stuff/Things I found On The Internet" board.
  • Add an "On-topic chat" board (suggestions for a name, please), re-classify General Discussion as Off-Topic discussion.

Now for something a bit more radical:

  • Rename "Lister Engines" category to "Diesel Stationary Engines", merging in current "Slow Speed Diesel Engines" category
  • Merge "Listeroid Engines", "Original Lister Cs Engines" and "Lister Based Generators" into one board: Lister Diesels and Clones
  • Rename "Changfa Engines" to "Chinese/Indian Diesel Engines"
  • Rename "Petteroids" to "Other Diesel Engines" (we can add names sub-boards if one turns out to be particularly popular)
  • Merge all of the "Alternative Fuels" boards into one new board in this section, called "Diesel Fuel Alternatives". Drop the entire Alternative Fuels section
  • Add a new section, "Petrol/Paraffin Stationary Engines"
  • Add boards for Lister, Witte, and Other (suggestions for other manufacturers welcome)

Phew. My brain hurts. Onwards...

  • Change "How To/DIY" to "Engine Driven Equipment
  • Archive off "Engines" board (stuff to do with engines goes in the Engines boards)
  • Change "Generators" to "Alternators and Dynamos"
  • Keep "Everything Else"

OK, that's my thoughts. I now open the floor for your suggestions, alternative ideas, etc. If I've missed an engine make you think is important, let me know.  Our main focus will remain Lister engines - and particularly the CS Diesel & its mainly Indian clones - but I want to broaden the base a bit.

Here's a snapshot of the layout, if I do all of the above - and a few other things I forgot to mention, but remembered as I wrote out the list:

General Discussion
- Notice Board (Announcement, rules {because we ALL love rules, right?} etc.
- Engine Chat (On Topic discussion)
- Photo Gallery (Show us your rig!)
- I Found This On The Internet (Anything but engines discussion)
Diesel Stationary Engines
- Lister CS Diesels and Clones (aka the Listeroid)
- Other Lister Diesels (e.g. LD, LR, HW and so on)
- Chinese/Indian Diesels (not CS Clones)
- Other Diesel Engines and Clones (e.g. Petter, Blackstone, oilfield engines)
- Diesel Fuel Alternatives (WVO, WMO, Biofuel, Fairy tears, etc.)
Petrol/Paraffin Stationary Engines
- Lister Engines and Clones (e.g type D, F, A or B, etc.)
- American Engines and Clones (e.g Amanco, Witte, Fairbanks, etc.)
- Other Petrol/Paraffin Engines (e.g Briggs & Stratton.)
Engine Driven Equipment
- Alternators and Dynamos (anything electrical)
- Everything else (anything NOT electrical)
- Member's Marketplace (specifically for selling YOUR stuff, or posting Want To Buy ads)
- Interesting Stuff on eBay (links to 3rd party sales likely to be interesting to members, other auction sites are available)
- Wall of Knowledge
- How To/DIY: Engines

That takes us from 20 boards now, down to 16 active and two to be pensioned off.  What do you think?

PS: Some of those names are tongue-in-cheek and probably won't make it into the final version!

General Discussion / Where has the "Where has glort gone" thread gone?
« on: October 19, 2019, 12:23:35 PM »
Gentlemen -

As the result of a number of complaints regarding the titular thread, causing me to have to look through it carefully, I have temporarily quarantined it. It hasn't been deleted or altered in any way yet, just moved. Whilst I do what's necessary, I would very VERY much appreciate it if readers would please - for my sake - not engage in public speculation, mud-flinging, or any other such activities that will cause an undue amount of work for the one person here who has to be moderator.

One thing that did cause me to stop and think - and realise a shortcoming of the forum - was this:

far as I can find this site has NO rules or guidelines

That brought me up short. I could have sworn there were some rules and guidelines.... and there are! But it turns out, you only get one shot at reading them - when you register as a new user - and then they never get seen again. I shall rectify that properly over the next couple of days, but here - for your reading pleasure, is the LEGAL AGREEMENT that you all signed up to when you joined:

This text is the binding legal agreement you must agree to to become a member here:

You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.

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As someone else said - we're all adults here. Most of us are probably quite old an cantankeous. Many of us are opinionated, some of us (I include myself, BTW, in this bracket) extraordinarily so. But that really doesn't mean we need to stoop to the level of today's snowflake millenial twitter-hater - either in how we respond to other members, or how we write our messages. It seems to me that the rise and rise of "social media" (Twitter, Facebook, message boards like this one, comment sections on newpaper articles & so on) has caused a massive increase in just how much anger and hate we're (we the human race, not we the LEF members...) willing to pour over complete strangers, just because they have a different opinion on a matter to someone. As we're generally older, probably wiser, and mostly more experienced in life than the sort of idiots who infest Twitter with their constant effing and blinding, let's try to make LEF a more pleasant place to be eh?

BTW: None of the legal rules above apply, as far as I know, to private messages - so if you really want to chew someone out, send a PM :)

Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / LEF Document Store - thoughts
« on: September 08, 2019, 08:13:40 AM »
Hmm, we could probably do with some kind of document store attached to the forum... I'll have a poke around t'interwebs this week, see if I can find something suitable.

General Discussion / Merry Christmas everyone!
« on: December 24, 2018, 06:09:35 PM »
...and remember, drink the alcohol, burn the diesel - NOT the other way around!  :laugh:

Original Lister Cs Engines / Fired up the old Lister today...
« on: June 24, 2018, 11:00:15 PM »
...for the first time in a couple of years at least. Despite being sat all this time, she fired right up & settled to a nice steady 600rpm-ish. Well chuffed :)

A friend of mine is experimenting with what he calls "black diesel" - basically, waste motor oil, filtered to 1 micron, with petrol (gas) added to reduce the viscosity. We decided to try it in the Lister rather than his car, on the basis that if it didn't work, he wouldn't be stuck without a working car. Although the "fuel" was a little more visicous than regular diesel, the ole Lister took it in her stride; maybe a slightly bluer exhaust than usual, but it's hard to tell. Since we didn't have any "clean" diesel to switch over to, I've had to stop her with this dodgy "diesel substitute". Be interesting to see if she still starts next week...

If I get chance, I'll take some video/pix next time.

Hello everyone,

As many of you will now be aware, having received scads of e-mails about it recently, the EU's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) comes into force on Friday, 25th May, 2018.

This forum, in common with all forums, holds data which can be used to personally identify you. Specifically, your name (or pseudonym), e-mail address, and IP address you most recently accessed the forum. There are also various settings which determine what e-mails you might receive from us. Typically, these might be topic/reply notifications, and the occasional general announcement, such as this one.

I'm planning to install a mod which should help me manage the forum in light of these new regulations; specifically, to allow the "right to be forgotten" (i.e. deleted) without actually deleting any post contents; the right for members to see what data we hold about you, and so on. I'll also, after this notification, do a bit of a database clean-up to get rid of old/dead/defunct/never used accounts.

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General Discussion / Peter Forbes (aka listerdiesel)
« on: March 19, 2018, 11:18:50 PM »

For those of you who didn't know, I have to sadly inform you that Peter Forbes (aka listerdiesel here & elsewhere), died unexpectedly earlier this month. Peter posted here from time to time, always with useful and helpful information, although he was much more active - the primary administrator, even - of the Stationary Engine forum. Nevertheless, his contributions here will be missed.

RIP Peter.

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