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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Synthetic Oil
« on: February 20, 2007, 01:19:41 PM »
Hi Doug,

Yes, I got it from Sam Crosby.  His warehouse is a little over an hour ride from here.  I was impressed with the amount of parts he stocks. I picked up a few spare parts while I was there. I thought it was kind of cool that piston rings come packed in a can of oil. Looks like a big can of tuna. They should keep indefinately this way.

Because of my location, I saved a good chunk of change buying from him. His price is reasonable, and I got out of paying a freight bill in exchange for a couple hours of windshield time. I did have to pay 5% Maine sales tax.

I hadn't heard about one of his units fracturing a flywheel. Did it explode or did the end user find it and shut it down before it popped?  I hope no one got hurt.

Mark


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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Synthetic Oil
« on: February 19, 2007, 03:40:19 PM »
I had some problems with the 495 genset as well, but I kind of expected it from before I placed the order. I haven't found anyone selling this stuff who's got what we might call a real warrantee. I did pull the side covers off and I took a flashlight and a screwdriver and went looking for casting sand. I found none.

I've not had any problems with the engine, but I've had to replace both bearings in the generator head, both CTs for the microprocessor controller's current inputs, and the main breaker failed from vibration damage. I replaced the CTs with standard 100:5 CTs that I bought off ebay for $27.00, I converted the DIN rail breaker to use a standard north american stye ITE breaker and I extended the wiring harness and moved the control box off the generator head and onto the wall to prevent further vibration damage. The radiator is a cheezy all aluminum deal that spit out a rivet and developed a leak. I had it fixed at a local repair shop, but I'll replace it with a larger radiator before hot weather anyway. All these failures happened before 250 hrs of run time. I've got about 1000 hours on it now with no more problems after 250 hrs.

I'm going to put an oil cooler on it before the hot weather. I think the oil temp runs a bit on the high side, so an oil cooler would be a sensible precaution.

I figured that since it was an import generator made in China, I'd have to do a few things to it. So far it's been right on target with that. Nothing really major, but I did have to work on it a bit more than I would had I spent the extra money and got a perkins of a John Deere, so I'm not unhappy with it.

I didn't buy my 6/1 from them so I can't speak for the quality of thier listeroids. I bought mine from a guy up here in Maine that has a small warehouse full of 6/1's and a few petteroids too. He sells the Metro brand 6/1 for $875.00. He's close enough to me that I was able to drive up and pick it up. I opened the sump and poked around for casting sand. I couldn't find any. Had I found some, I'd have torn it right down, but since it was clean I'm not going to bother.


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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Synthetic Oil
« on: February 18, 2007, 08:41:34 PM »
Whats a 495 engine?

Hello.  The 495 engine is supposedly a cummings clone made in China, although it doesn't look like any cummings that I've ever seen. George at Utterpower told me that he thinks this engine uses some Changfa parts. I think he said pistons, sleeves, etc. You can see the engine on www.generatordepotusa.com. I bought the 20kw open frame generator from them. The pictures show it with a turbocharger, but this one isn't turbocharged. It's indirect injection so it likes WMO, WVO, etc.


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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Synthetic Oil
« on: February 18, 2007, 01:26:02 PM »
Does Synthetic oil burn as well as regular used motor oil? has anyone tried this? And what kind of mix ratio?  Does regular WMO burn as well as straight diesel with no side effects? no power losses?
My engine took about 600 hrs to break in.  There is no more drooling black slobber our of the tail pipe and muffler seams and threads on the exhaust manifold.  Also the coolant level is finnally starting to stabilize.  No more adding water/ glycol.  I was thinking of running synthetic SAE 30 for longer oil change durations but if I can't burn it after it's  lube duty, I will stick to standard SAE 30.  Also what kind of fuel preheat temps should a person have for WMO mixes?  Does it gum up the injector pump or injector at all?


Thanks for your reply, 

I've been running a 75% WMO / 25% #2 fuel oil mix in a 495 diesel with an ST-20 head. I've got about 1000 hours on it with good results. I'm putting together a listeroid now to run on the same mix. I can't tell you how well it's going to work on the listeroid, but I can tell you that it works great on the 495 engine.

I personally haven't run synthetic, but a friend of mine services waste oil burners and he tells me that the stuff just won't burn right in the waste oil burners. It's probably best just to avoid synthetic alltogether. If you get a little bit in a batch of regular WMO, don't worry about it, but don't go pump out a whole tank of synthetic and bring it home for fuel or you'll be dissapointed with the results.

WMO mix really likes to be heated. It seems the hotter you preheat the WMO, the better it works. I use a stainless steel plate type heat exchanger to preheat the mix with engine coolant before it enters my prefilters. I use a general oil filter (felt type oil burner filter) as a first stage. Then I use a 10 micron Garber spin on oil burner filter as a second stage. I put a restriction indicator guage on the Garber filter so it monitors restriction in the first and second stages.

Once it leaves the prefilters, the mix passes through the stock fuel filters on the 495 engine. I added a Carlin nozzle line preheater to each of the injector lines to reheat the mix just before it enters the injectors.

When the fuel comes out of the tank, it goes through a 3 way solenoid valve so I can select straight #2 or WMO mix. This is right before the plate type heat exchanger. I start the engine on straight #2 fuel oil, place a load on the generator, and run it until the coolant temp reaches 70C. Once it reaches temp in about 10 or 15 minutes, I switch to WMO mix. A half hour before shutdown, I'll switch it back to #2 fuel oil and let it flush the system so it starts easily the next time.

When WMO mix is burning properly and the engine is up to temp, there should be no visible smoke. If you get smoke, you're going to crap up an injector. It's not the end of the world to have to pull and clean an injector, but the best way to deal with it is to adjust your setup so that you're not making smoke in the first place. Direct injection engines are more prone to problems crapping things up than are indirect injection engines.

My 495 is indirect injection. I tried this on a Changfa 1115 with a direct injection setup. It wasn't happy. It would run good for a few days and then start smoking very lightly. Within the next day or two the smoke would increase. I'd pull the injector, clean it, and run again. I always had to keep cleaning the injector. I tried different mixes, water injection, additives, nothing improved it. With the 495 and it's indirect injection, I don't have that problem.

This genset has a microcontroller on it that monitors oil pressure, temps, current, voltage, frequency, etc. If anything runs out of it's operating window, it opens the main contactor and shuts down the engine. I've had it shut down unexpectedly and leave the fuel system full of WMO mix. I came home 8 hours later and found it this way. I've found that even in cold temps (+15F), that a little spritz of ether while cranking it will get it started cold on the WMO mix. It'll smoke pretty heavily until it warms back up and I leave it on #2 fuel oil for at least an hour when this happens to clean out the fuel system, but I've not had to purge the fuel system, ever.

I've had no problems gumming up the injector pump. I did have to pull and clean my injectors once a couple of days into testing it with straight WMO (no mix). That's not a big deal. It takes about an hour and a half to pull, clean, and reinstall them.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: blended waste motor oil results
« on: February 02, 2007, 06:26:11 PM »
The 495 engine itself appears to be of good quality. George at Utterpower.com told me that it uses a lot of Changfa 195 parts, so I guess I could probably get some of replacement parts from Hardy Day if I needed to get them in a hurry.

The cooling system is a little on the inadequate side and it could use an oil cooler as well, but the generator set came with a microprocessor controller that monitors it for high coolant temp, high oil temp, low oil pressure, overcurrent, and overspeed. It gives me a nice LCD display that shows all the info at any given time and if it goes into emergency shutdown it stores the reason why for my review when I go look in the shed to see why it isn't running. The safetys work well, I've seen that happen.

I bought the whole set from generatordepotusa.com for about $4K. Like all chinese import stuff, plan to do some work on it to chase out the gremlins. Here's what I had to do to it for repairwork (and a couple of band-aid fixes)so far.

Rear bearing in the ST-20 generator head needed replacement at about 100 hours. I used a standard 6309 double sealed SKF bearing obtained locally. The originally bearing was an open bearing and never should have been put into that envoirnment. The lubricant was apparently inferior and had hardened.

Front bearing on the ST-20 failed at about 250 hours. The drive plate was a real bitch to get off the generator shaft. I had to make a puller for it and use a bottle jack to get it off the shaft. The bearing was a 6310 and I used the same type of double sealed bearing as in the rear. Reassembly of the drive plate to the shaft was easy with a 10 lb sledgehammer and a block of hardwood.

Note: even the front bearing replacement wasn't too bad. It took me about 4 hours and that included making the puller. The rear bearing was even easier.

Vibration broke some wires in the control panel (mounted to the top of the ST-20). It also damaged a relay by breaking off the coil wire and destroyed both CTs that provide current input to the microcontroller. I repaired all the other electrical damage, replaced the CTs with standard 100:5 CTs that I bought on ebay, then I extended the wiring harness and relocated the control panel on the shed wall to prevent further vibration damage. more thn 500 hours since then and no more electrical problems.

The Radiator sprung a leak at around 350 hours and I took it to a local repair shop and had it fixed. It's an all aluminum radiator and it has steel rivets so they can solder the mounting panels to it. One of the rivets had cracked the aluminum from vibration.

I had to set a window fan next to the oil pan to keep the oil temp down. The oil pan is cast iron and conducts the heat fairly well. A little air movement makes a huge difference. I plan to remove the radiator and tank cool this into a minimum 500 gal tank before the hot weather and I'll set up a car radiator on that as a dump zone. I'll make an adapter place on my milling machine to get the oil in and out at the oil filter flange so I can just run it through a heat exchanger and use engine coolant to keep the oil temp down. Tank cooling the engine will allow me to reclaim this heat next winter for heating the house.

The engine itself hasn't given me any trouble at all to date except for a couple of loose bolts that neded to be tightened up. oil pan and alternator bolts. I had to clean the injectors once when I was experimenting with 100% WMO. It seems to like the 75% WMO mix. I haven't tried anything between 75% and 100% yet.

I'm happy with it. Sure it had a lot of little stuff that needed attention, but I kind of figured that since before I bought it.

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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Changfa 1115G
« on: February 02, 2007, 05:40:27 PM »
A word of caution on the 1115.

I bought a 1115ZS from Mohammed. I really liked the engine, but I had some problems with it. I've had two major failures. I'm not discouraged by these failures, just the unavailability of repair parts. These wouldn't have been major problems except that no one, including Mohammed, can come up with the parts I need to fix it. I've had an offer from another Changfa dealer to buy up a returned engine that the customer said "runs rough" for $450.00, but when I add the freight to that I'm only $300.00 away from the cost of buying another new one from Mohammed and shipping it to me. I'm sure that Hardy Day can get the parts for me, but again, the price of the parts vs the cost to replace the engine is a factor.

In the first failure, the governor ball retainer broke inside the engine, releasing the governor balls and tearing up the timing gears. Mohammed said he could bring the parts in from China for me, but I wanted to get it running quickly, so I got the parts that I needed from Hardy Day. I paid about $300.00 for the parts, but I had them in two days. Mohammed told me it would be a whole lot cheaper to bring them in from China, but I'd ether have to pay for air freight or wait for a container shipment. I fixed it and put it back into service.

I think the governor ball retainer failure was just a freak thing that would probably never happen again in a million years. Here's what you need to watch out for. This is what turned my 1115 into a doorstop.

The second failure:
The valve cover on a 1115 ships from the factory with no lockwasher on the one nut that holds it to the stud. Even the book shows this. During the night, this nut worked loose from vibration and emptied the contents of the oil sump onto the floor. The engine spun the big end bearing on the rod and ruined the crankshaft. I was almost asleep when I heard the BANG from the generator shed, followed immediately by a stomach churning silence.

I tore it down and got the parts list together within a couple of days, complete with part numbers, and got it to Mohammed. He agreed that it would be best to put all this on his next container shipment because the parts, including a crankshaft, were just too heavy to do this by air freight. Mohammed was unable to get the parts onto the container. At that point, I decided that I didn't want to wait anymore for another container to try again and I bought a genset with a Chinese 495 engine on it.

I put the Changfa on a dolly and pushed it into the corner of my shop. There it still sits today. Someday I'd like to get the parts and fix it because I think it's a really cool engine, but it had problems with running it on WMO blend because it's a direct injection design and even at 66% WMO I had to clean the injector at least once a week, so it's not an urgent priority for me anymore. I won't run any direct injection engine again on any alternative fuel other than biodiesel. Indirect injection works so much better for most alternative fuels.

My advice for you Changfa owners is to get another nut for the valve cover stud, install it right on top of the existing one and tighten the two nuts against each other. A 20 cent nut at the hardware store could save your engine. Since this is one possible failure out of many that could easily occur with this kind of vibration, I'll never run any engine, especially a Changfa, unattended without at least an overtemp and a low oil pressure shutdown. If you haven't already installed these things on the Changfa engines, I recommend that you turn the engine off and don't run it unattended until you do install them.

These Changfa engines create some nasty vibration. 1.2L in a single cylinder has to. It has counterbalance weights, but I think these just keep it from leaving town on it's own.  A little time and money spent monitoring this with a couple of simple sending units and a shutdown solenoid, even if was only hooked to the compression release, would have saved my engine. With all this vibration, the likelyhood of this or something else leaking is pretty high. Setting them up with an emergency stop to monitor temp and oil pressure should be a priority.

Don't read this the wrong way. I like these little engines a lot. I just think that because of the vibrations, there a few things that need to be done to make it reliable.




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Waste Motor Oil / Re: blended waste motor oil results
« on: February 02, 2007, 03:11:17 PM »
I'm running a chinese 495 diesel on an ST-20 direct drive. I run 75% WMO and 25% #2 fuel oil blend. I use fleet oil that I pick up locally with my home grown tank trailer with an old oil truck pump, a 25hp Onan engine, and a 200gal horizontal oil tank.  Here's how my setup works. I blend the raw WMO and the #2 oil in the storage tank.  I bring the oil blend unfiltered into my run tank passing it only through a water seperator.  Then it goes into my heated prefilter system.

I use a plate type stainless steel heat exchanger heated by engine coolant. before the fuel enters the heat exchanger, it passes through a 12V three way solenoid valve. This allows me to leave the system full of #2 FO at shutdown so it'll start without ethering it to death. Next it goes on to the first stage prefilter. This prefilter is nothing more than a felt type filter commonly used on a residential oil burner, it's commonly known as a "general filter". The replacement element can be had for under $2.00 and needs to be changed monthly under continuous use. This, of course, depends on the cleanliness of the waste oil.

After leaving the general filter, it goes into a 10 micron Garber spin on oil filter. Again, this is something that's designed to use on residential oil burners. I put the Garber optional restriction guage on top of the Garber filter housing so it shows me the restriction in the first stage and the second stage at the same time. Any time the restriction gets out of the green scale, just change the first stage filter and it drops right back down. With about 1000 hours on it, I've not yet had to replace the Garber filter, but I like the assurance of having a 10 micron filter in the prefilter.

From there, it goes through the stock 2 stage fuel filters that came with the genset. Once it reaches the injector lines, I put a Carlin nozzle line heater close to the injector on each injector line to heat the fuel again. I attached these little ceramic heaters with spring clips that I bent in the vice and covered the joint where the heater meets the line with red silicone to avoid heat transfer into the air.

I start the engine on #2 fuel oil, let it run until the coolant temp is 70C, then flick the switch to the WMO blend. It works great. The only time I ever had any problems is when I tried to run straight WMO in it. I noticed that the exhause was starting to show some light smoke and running in #2 didn't clear it up. I removed and cleaned the injectors and went back to the 75/25 mix. 500 hours later it's still going strong and makes no smoke whatsoever. Come time to shut it down, I run it for 20 or 30 minutes on #2 fuel oil to clean the WMO mix out of the system and make for easy starting.

This won't work in a two pipe system unless you use a holding tank after the prefilters to put the return fuel through or it's just going to plug up the first stage prefilter very quickly. My generator set has a one pipe system, so this makes it a lot easier. If you add a tank, you'll need to vent the air / vapor out of it continuously with a float vent or similar device, but it should work just fine. If you need to vent, make sure to run the vent line back to your holding tank, so if the float valve gets stuck you don't make a mess.

raw fuel blended in the holding tank -> Water seperator ->Three way solenoid valve -> plate type heat exchanger -> General oil filter -> Garber oil filter -> both stock oil filters -> injector line heaters -> then into the engine.

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