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General Discussion / Re: Climate Warming a hoax?
« on: November 25, 2009, 05:25:39 PM »
Sorry Bill.....I took a look at this nutcase and decided to take a quick minute to check out just one of his facts. Professor Phil Jones (in the UK) has no recorded connection with the United Nations whatsoever anywhere that I could find on the internet. Now when this guy says that he's the guy that provides all the reports for the United nations on climate change, you'd think there would be some mention of something this important on the internet. Nothing, nada, nyet!

This is a simple method of determining the accuracy of anyone who publishes.

Methinks he's full of it, when one of your major facts is proven false, the rest are suspect.
Stan

Stan,
It looks like his work figured quite largely on the ipcc SPM (summary for policymaker) report....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the UN depended more than just a bit on the IPCC recommendations.....

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Everything else / Re: Nickel Iron (Edison) Batteries Good? Bad?
« on: October 09, 2009, 12:38:26 PM »
I've been reading through a couple of books that have some great information. They are the American Electrician Handbook 1915 (got mine at a swap meet for $2) and the one I've been studying most is Storage Battery Engineering on Google books.

The American Electrician has an excellent section on the Edison NIFE batteries.

I was interested in the old glass jar type batteries that would have been standard equipment for my 32 volt Delco Light generator. It looks like the glass type battery elements would be fairly easy to build from scratch using lead pipe and red lead (lead tetroxide). Storage Battery Engineering has excellent discussions of the various plate designs as well as the Plante plates and the pasted plates. According to the book building a decent battery is not exactly rocket science. Give it a look, I thing you'll like it.

Mike

Thanks for the heads up on that book, I downloaded a copy, looks interesting

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 14, 2009, 05:32:15 PM »
Dear MLG,

Good food for thought. 

Did you know the big ever expanding government post office is reducing staff this year?  (Leno joked that they didn't know why but the layoff notices were being emailed by the end of the week.)

$200!  WOW!  Back when I was in the game - pre Medicare and paying for my health insurance by check I was paying $250 for an HMO.  My wife was another $250.  It was the largest single purchase per year we made.  When she qualifies for Medicare her monthly premium will drop to about $120.  She could stay with the private $250 program but I think she'll opt for the $120.  Oh, same HMO.
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Second, my $200 a month church sponsered medical plan
The whole family or per person?  And then

The entire family. Any children get thrown in for free. Oh yes, it's run practically by volunteers, BTW. Kinda removes the "big greedy profit driven insurance company" from the equation.

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First, I have nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare. zip, zilch, nada.
How do you have $2400 a year “Second” and yet have none of the “First”?

I view the second as being more a "pooling of resources so we can survive" created by and run by its members.

No, the government does not constitute a pooling of resources

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I'm sure you give thanks for your special wonderful life.  You live in a disappearing world that is simply not available to most US citizens.  In my neighborhood; fire, police, education (majority) and many other services are delivered by well paid government employed professionals.  I too respect and appreciate their service and their choice of career.  But in most of the US (by population) these services are PAID FOR by tax dollars.  Ah, the tyranny of the majority. ;)

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Ever wonder why it’s wrong to depend on the government and smart to be dependent on “for profit” poly-national corporations?  It’s a complicated world out here in the “real” Amerika.  We need to band together if we’re going to succeed.

Casey


If the "special wonderful life" is disappearing, why is that? Why isn't that raising red flags and alarm bells? I referenced it before, Lowgear, but have you ever explored the mentality of a welfare community? Or explored the reasons why they got there?

For me the bottom line is,

why should I need or want someone else to do the things for me that it is my responsibility to do,

and even more importantly,

why should I be obligated to pay/support/be compelled to support someone else's responsibility?

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 14, 2009, 01:23:57 PM »
Mk,

Thanks for the thoughts!

I disagree with your postman's methodology; please understand that not all govt employees operate in that manner.  I would also submit that whether private or public sector, there are "ethically challenged" individuals in every bunch.

I think that it's interesting that the Post Office manages to make over a billion dollars a year in profit and it happens to be a govt run agency...  So much for it being a poorly managed business!  I do think they should just remain revenue neutral like they are supposed to, but that's my opinion and another topic.

The point is, they do a good job for relatively low cost compared to the rest of the world.  And gee, they're govt run...  hmmm....

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/consumerawareness/a/uspsabout.htm

Regards,

Steve

Quite true, not all govt employees operate in that manner. But the point I am making was that this postmaster is quite sharp, will do anything for us, and is a very nice guy. Obviously its not the man that's the problem, it's the system!! And yes, there are ethically challenged individuals in every organization, very true. But ultimately, accountability is very different at a lot of govt run organizations. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

You might want to recheck the claims on that page how the post office makes over a billion a year profit. Did you notice that number was averaged out? And it doesn't tell you over how many years it's averaged out? It also doesn't say that post office business has been dropping like mad (which it has) It also states that the post office is not subsidized, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information on this

In my opinion the fact (if it is a fact) that it needs public money to stay afloat trumps any "profit" it might make

http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston21.html

http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23182/FTC_Report_US_Postal_Service_Needs_More_Freedom_and_Less_Protection.html

this is by far the most damning report, by a govt agency itself
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09937sp.pdf

ran out of time, will address LG's post later

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 11, 2009, 10:11:34 PM »
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...plain old mediocrity?


I know one thing for a fact, I've never become more involved in the political process other than voting every chance I had. I always thought I was doing my duty and that was good enough, this year and the next that's going to change.........

<snip>

I am SO tired of the whole govt workers=mediocrity line of thinking.

I for one am no doorknob and would welcome your experience, intelligence, business accumen, etc to help out.

But beware, you might just figure out first-hand that most of the people that you and others are so quick to criticize are actually fairly sharp and on the ball; and that there are legit reasons for things being done the way they are done.

Yes they are sharp in some ways. No argument with that. What I have a problem with is the way they use their sharpness.

Just for example -

My mailman - who shall not be named - was in here a couple days ago. Seems that with post office revenue falling they need to drum up more business, and they do the mail count in Feb. (which is what their salary is based on)

Bottom line is he proposed that we start sending our catalogs in small boxes instead of the usual envelopes, and then he would pay us the difference in postage until the mail count is over. It would be a winning situation for him because his salary is based on the mail count. Very nice man, very sharp. All nicely legal.

Need I say more?

govt run business=mediocrity

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PS - Regarding the $200 church sponsored medical plan, how much of your cost is being underwritten by others taken from the congregation collection basket??? 

Actually.....there is no money taken from the congregation collection basket. I said "church sponsered" but more factual would be "church administered". monthly costs per member reflects monies paid out. My costs per month dropped from $250 to $200 this spring because monies coming in exceeded monies going out. Iit is in fact a self supporting system, paid for by the persons being covered, and has nothing to do with the collection basket.

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What is the difference between that and having the govt do the exact same thing across the board?  At least you'd have another reasonably priced option from which to choose.

um, not exactly. first of all, my tax money will be used to pay for anything and everything that wants to be covered. And if I would be wanting to opt out that looks like it will be highly impossible. And the healthcare bill will phase out what I have now, BTW

Need to run now, later

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 11, 2009, 01:02:27 PM »
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Your care runs out when your money runs out.

The current system is flat unworkable.

Why?

Because costs are rising at about 22% per year, year over year.

<snip>

It's stupid.

Steve

And why are costs rising so fast? Can you say "malpractice insurance"? I would love to see a cost breakdown of a doctor's costs year by year. I'm betting that those "greedy insurance companies" may not be so much the villain after all. I know there are some real doctors on here. What do they have to say?

Lowgear,
You seem like a nice guy, but I find myself disagreeing with you a lot  :) I hope you don't mind

First, I have nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare. zip, zilch, nada. I pay no SS taxes, and no benefits from uncle sam will be coming my way when I retire. I have an ss number, but as far as ss is concerned I only exist. No taxes, no benefits. To me Social Security is just plain wrong.

Second, my $200 a month church sponsered medical plan, which would be phased out under obamacare BTW, has always been upfront and helpful and administered locally, not by some bureaucrat. Also covers my entire family BTW. Why would I want a government plan?

Third, if my house catches fire, the nice firemen who will put it out for me won't expect a dime for their effort. We have over a dozen small locally operated, volunteer fire companies in a ten mile radius. very fast, very professional, absolutely dedicated to their job, and not because they're getting paid for it. I have a lot of respect and admiration for them, having seen them in action many times. The cops will be paid of course, and i don't begrudge them that. But even the EMT/ambulance crew is a volunteer service around here

Most of the truly important jobs in all cultures are done in a socialist fashion.  I am so sorry and concerned that my neo conservative associates can’t or won’t see this simple truth.  It would be a beautiful world if good works people would come forward and do the difficult tasks but they don’t.  Hence we, like all societies now and in history, opt for the socialist model.

Yes, government is socialistic in nature. That's why we don't want much of it!! And if you start getting people to rely on the gov for services they should be doing themselves it's very very hard to turn it back. Don't believe me? why don't you vist some of the welfare communities? It would open your eyes I'm sure.

The bottom line here is that gov wants to grow bigger, not smaller, and someone else will be gaining more control over your life. For the life of me I can't understand why that concept is so hard to grasp. Again, someone else will be making the decisions for you, decisions that only you should be making. For me, that's not acceptable.

Or to put it another way, I don't want more gov in my life precisely because of the gov I already have. I've had to deal with USPS, Amtrak, IRS, and we've often had to deal with the local township, as well as the county. Try getting some accountability out of any of them. A corporation you can at least tell to go to you-know-where. Try doing that with a gov entity.

The latest example is a letter sent out to all businesses informing them that effective immediately all work done on the home by an outside contractor, totaling over $500 in value must be preceded by a signed contract, and effective immediately all contractors who do over $500 worth of work in a month must be registered with the state in order to "protect the consumer" And you need to pay X amount to renew the registration, blah,blah,blah

Oh yah, we want to protect the consumer,  ::)

Or how about PA's "stuffed toy registration law" where any person making and selling a stuffed toy will need to apply for a permit to do so? And will need to apply for and receive a number to affix to the teddy bear or whatever so that if some poor kid chokes on the toy "we can go back and determine if all applicable safety laws were followed in making the toy"

Really?!? How about some consumer responsibility?!??

Again, the argument that "more gov is okay because we already have a lot of gov to start with" is total crap IMO

Health care is a life and death situation just like house fires and assaults.  This proposed program is a health insurance answer something like Medicare where the government pretty much stays out of the doctor’s offices and hospitals.  And no I don’t believe the rhetoric of President Obama about lower costs and efficiencies.  But if you believe this government can or would install death councils and survive then I urge you to get off the computer right now and go find some professional mental health care whether you pay for it by Visa, Blue Cross or Atnea.  (If Blue Cross or Atnea finds out though you better hold on to your current policy because they won’t want your new business.)  Don’t lose sight of the current health insurance companies that deliver death sentences everyday through “refused service”, “no experimental authorized”, complete policy cancellations and, as above, refusing the business of folks with prior conditions.  Insurance companies are a cost plus business model.  The more things cost this year the more they can charge next year.  30% more of more is more.

Health care is a life and death situation, absolutely correct. That's why I want to be making the decisions concerning my healthcare, not the gov

And no, the gov will not be staying out of doctor's offices and medical decisions. "He who pays the piper calls the tune" It works the same way here. Have you even read the bill? Did you see the place where the "health commissar/czar" is tasked with "determining a doctor's pay"? If I were a doctor that would scare the living cr*p out of me. And I think I also saw a couple of places where guidelines are given on when to refuse treatment, and what dollar amount to go by to determine the worth of a life, basically. And regards "death panels", a panel that has the power to evaluate treatment for another human being and either grant it or deny it has, I'm sorry to say, great potential for becoming a death panel. And considering that 52 new boards/panels/bureaucracies will be set up (not a typo) all treatment decisions will be fast and effective, right?  ::) In your dreams, that is.

Regards the current insurance companies, how will you be improving things by replacing the drive for money with the drive for power, or even worse, plain old mediocrity?


I know one thing for a fact, I've never become more involved in the political process other than voting every chance I had. I always thought I was doing my duty and that was good enough, this year and the next that's going to change.........

I have the misfortune to have the specter spectacle for my district (note that he doesn't even come close to representing me) and I'm going to be doing everything I can to get his sorry keister kicked out next year. And while I'm at it I'll probably be seeing what I can do to help some other challengers in some districts. reid, boxer, and pelosi opponents come to mind.....

MLG,
Ther is a big march planned on DC tomorrow. May be interesting......

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 09, 2009, 05:56:09 PM »
Just my $0.02 worth...I've been spending 12 hours per day or so up on the new roof, and am so tired I'm asleep by 8pm so haven't checked or read all the postings, sorry guys.

<snip>

I thought the recent shenanigans of the high and mighty south of the border getting the million dollar bonuses for running their companies into the ground would have taught us something about "competative markets".  :-\  I guess not up here in BC anyway.

Stan,
don't confuse government controlled businesses as being "competitive markets" In a normal world those companies would be out of business by dint of their unscrupulous business practices, not labeled as "too big to fail" and then tossed billions of taxpayer dollars.

And BTW did you know there is another health care bill floating around congress these days? You don't hear much about it what with the thug-in-chief and the media doing their best to foist their own monstrosity on us but check it out

http://rsc.tomprice.house.gov/Solutions/EmpoweringPatientsFirstAct.htm

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: September 04, 2009, 12:35:07 PM »
Doug,
hoping you can get work soon  :)

and yes, big corporations may not be your friend, but then again neither is big government  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRaOBWegbCQ

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this video.... Safty first
« on: August 28, 2009, 06:35:39 PM »
I agree, it doesn't look like it could tip, but I was just waiting for that exposed stub shaft to grab his pants and do the presto chango nudo thing on him......

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General Discussion / Re: Watch this video.... Safty first
« on: August 28, 2009, 05:19:03 PM »
ignorance is bliss................until it bites you in the a$$, that is

you can't cure stupidity

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General Discussion / Re: i apologize for the down time
« on: August 28, 2009, 12:20:49 PM »
I would submit that Islam is not the problem any more than Christianity.

The problem lies with radicals that either push or force their agenda on others.

As far as I'm concerned, hang the radicals from the highest trees and call it good.

I'd have no objection respecting someone elses faith, no matter what that faith is.  That is between them and their God.

It's my personal opinion that religion is the #1 scourge on human kind, and it has caused more conflict than anything else that I know of.

Formalized religion is HUGE waste of time imho. 

PLEASE NOTE, my comment has nothing to do with believing (or not) in God, Allah or whomever, and instead has everything to do with respecting others and what they believe in.

Regards,

Steve



Formalized religion, en masse has caused a lot of grief already, no doubt about that, but how about hitler, stalin, mussolini, pol pot, etc. hitler was on a drive to wipe out religion completely I think...........

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:13:20 PM »
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8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

Ends Disc

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Insurance companies will be out of the picture completely. Government will end up BEING the insurance company. And BTW if the gov screws up you don't get to appeal.

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Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

I don't believe that for one second. If going to a doctor will no longer cost you anything, why wouldn't you be going to a doctor for every little thing? with doctors leaving the system now already why wouldn't they leave even faster with all the additional pressure they would surely be put under?

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We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

wow, that one is so full of holes I scarce know where to begin. "reform will bust the budget" check out the CBO's report on that. It was sound enough that even obama couldn't spin it away. Cost=$1,000,000,000.00 (1 trillion) according to CBO, and would increase our debt by $239,000,000.00 (239 billion).

"the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs" well Mr. President that's cool, but why do we need to wait until we need to pay for another program that's even bigger, even more prone to fraud and even more invasive? Why not just cut the waste right away? And BTW those "agencies" he was talking about? Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid

"ending big subsidies to insurance companies" again, why do we need to wait until we pass another big bill? do it now, you don't need a thousand plus page bill to do that. I say gov has been in bed with business too long to start with. (GM and TARP anyone?) that's not the american way, that's facism.

"and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork" by creating over a hundred new agencies/bureaucracies? I fail to see the logic in that.


"In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis." No argument there, true reform, and not this bloated monstrosity we have now would probably help a lot, how about starting with tort reform

running out of time, be back later

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: August 14, 2009, 05:12:46 PM »
8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.

Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/

8 common myths about health insurance reform

Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

Vets' health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts.  Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose.  Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Learn more and get details:

http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

8 Reasons We Need Health Insurance Reform Now

Coverage Denied to Millions: A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults – 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market – were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years or dropped from coverage when they became seriously ill. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/denied_coverage/index.html

Less Care for More Costs: With each passing year, Americans are paying more for health care coverage. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have nearly doubled since 2000, a rate three times faster than wages. In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680, nearly the annual earnings of a full-time minimum wage job.  Americans pay more than ever for health insurance, but get less coverage. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hiddencosts/index.html

Roadblocks to Care for Women: Women’s reproductive health requires more regular contact with health care providers, including yearly pap smears, mammograms, and obstetric care. Women are also more likely to report fair or poor health than men (9.5% versus 9.0%). While rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are similar to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from headaches and are more likely to experience joint, back or neck pain. These chronic conditions often require regular and frequent treatment and follow-up care. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/women/index.html

Hard Times in the Heartland: Throughout rural America, there are nearly 50 million people who face challenges in accessing health care. The past several decades have consistently shown higher rates of poverty, mortality, uninsurance, and limited access to a primary health care provider in rural areas. With the recent economic downturn, there is potential for an increase in many of the health disparities and access concerns that are already elevated in rural communities. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hardtimes

Small Businesses Struggle to Provide Health Coverage: Nearly one-third of the uninsured – 13 million people – are employees of firms with less than 100 workers. From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. Much of this decline stems from small business. The percentage of small businesses offering coverage dropped from 68% to 59%, while large firms held stable at 99%. About a third of such workers in firms with fewer than 50 employees obtain insurance through a spouse. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/helpbottomline

The Tragedies are Personal: Half of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly the result of medical expenses. The typical elderly couple may have to save nearly $300,000 to pay for health costs not covered by Medicare alone. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction

Diminishing Access to Care: From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. An estimated 87 million people - one in every three Americans under the age of 65 - were uninsured at some point in 2007 and 2008. More than 80% of the uninsured are in working families. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction/diminishing/index.html

The Trends are Troubling: Without reform, health care costs will continue to skyrocket unabated, putting unbearable strain on families, businesses, and state and federal government budgets. Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance - projections suggest that this number will rise to about 72 million in 2040 in the absence of reform. Learn more: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/assets/documents/CEA_Health_Care_Report.pdf
    

LMAO, anyone that believes that spinning piece of horsecr*p deserves the worse that the government HC bill would give them!!

ok, I'll try to be civil now  :)

have you actually read the monstrosity? I have, (until my eyes started glazing over) and once you get past the mind-boggling gobble-de-gook and legal speak, things start looking ominous. It's not just about health, it has to do with CONTROL

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General Discussion / Re: Government health care
« on: August 12, 2009, 01:09:28 PM »
Dear Mobil Bob,

We all know you labor daily to provide for the welfare of the world.  We all know that liberals have given nothing for your benefit and are free riders of society.  How do you make time to poop out these contributions to LEF?

I’m not totally down with everything about most members of my list of liberals.  What they had in common was a liberal philosophy and lifestyle for their times.  Remember, the peers of Jesus so hated him that they gave him capital punishment.  I’m sure your right wing whacko needs can appreciate the death penalty.

If you think living in a dominantly Asian community and being black is a free ride then please step away from the mirror and look at other people’s challenges.  (Hawaii is only 30% white or black not to forget Indonesia’s race distribution.)  Obama is either incredibly (in the full meaning of the word) lucky or he’s damn good.  Oh, he did get the free ride that comes with being deserted by your father at birth and your mother before adolescence.  Some guys just got it so much easier than you or I.

Back on task:  Medicare management costs = ~3%.  Private Insurance management costs = ~19%.  Gosh Bless you “pay more - get less” fundamentalists.  All important tasks in the United States are delegated to a socialist form of economic structure.

I’ve got the violins ready!  Please respond.

Burns


Lowgear, Bioboy, whatever you're calling yourself,

What's wrong with you that you disappear and then come back under a different handle? If you're not Casey/Lowgear who I was going around in circles with on another thread (also concerning politics) then your posting style must be his twin brother.

Andrew,
is it possible to see if this is actually so?

(If it is in fact not so I will gladly retract the charge)

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Generators / Re: Which gen would you use on the 13 hp cat diesel?
« on: July 31, 2009, 06:14:32 PM »
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I guess I am getting wierd the older I get

You're losing all your socialist tendencies too!!!  LOL there's still hope for you ;D  ;D

sorry, I just couldn't resist it  :( :) ::)

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