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Listeroid Engines / Re: Bearing analysis??
« on: July 27, 2006, 08:01:38 AM »
Quote from: GuyFawkes on July 27, 2006, 12:03:21 AM


how many aircraft engines can you buy for 400 bucks?

one of these?

That's a model car engine I think - note the air cleaner and oversize cylinder head cooling fins. (sorry couldn't resist!)

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Listeroid Engines / Re: David Edgington's Book
« on: July 25, 2006, 08:35:02 PM »
Quote from: t19 on July 25, 2006, 07:19:49 PM
I do have a questioin Guy.  Why is your SOM painted red?

I'm thinking john Deer Green and Yellow for mine

I think lister would paint them to the customer's requirements if asked. The Lister D's destined for Wingets cement mixers were bright yellow.

Julian.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: My mates new start-o-matic
« on: July 24, 2006, 08:03:55 AM »
Quote from: COPYBELL on July 24, 2006, 01:01:58 AM
I couldn't help but notice in your video you brushed against the crankshaft with your trousers.  Please for goodness sake, stay away from the spinning parts on your engine with things like clothing.  

Yes I agree, you were in great danger there, if that flywheel key grabbed onto your trousers you could easily have lost a large chunk of flesh - it really is *that* serious, I've seen the result of loose clothing getting wrapped around a lathe chuck and it's horrendous. You haven't enough free space around that engine.

My 6-1 has the proper flywheel key gaurds fitted. Part# 5-1/E10 these make life much safer!


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Listeroid cranking forces----
« on: July 23, 2006, 04:19:18 PM »
 >I can't crank my engine through compression from a dead stop with the handle.

I think you can if you let it bounce back off compression, keeping a loose hold of the handle as it bounces off compression backwards then give it everything you've got! (torn shoulder muscles included)

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New listeroid! What do I put in a rebuild kit?
« on: July 23, 2006, 04:11:45 PM »
>6/1 was designed for a cast iron piston, and they were and still are extremely "nice" to look at and feel.

Yes true, I was really meaning from vibration free and much quieter running, the ally piston is an order of magnitude better here - just working on a before and after basis. I was told that Lister swopped to ally towards the end of production, my piston came in a Lister Box. Would an ally piston cost more or less than an iron piston? I'm thinking more, but far from certain.

>That's over a hundred bucks six years ago??

That's with 10% 'trade' discount too but included the rings I think! It's very dear, but I'm a bit daft when it comes to my 'toys!' I replaced the big end and other stuff on it too, it's practically as good as new now.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New listeroid! What do I put in a rebuild kit?
« on: July 23, 2006, 02:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Procrustes on July 23, 2006, 05:39:56 AM
Quote from: t19 on July 23, 2006, 04:51:03 AM
So here is a question.

For us LISTER owners, where can we get parts??  Does not sound like the Indian parts will work.  guy, can you still get parts from Jolly old England?

I got the name of an aftermarket parts supplier somewhere in England but damned if I can find it now.  It had a quaint title (to my Yank ears), something like Dawkins & Cartwright Engineers Ltd.  The bad news is that they charge 200 pounds for a new starter handle.  With luck I'll come across the name eventually.  They had no web presence at all.


Maybe Sleeman and Hawken tel +441626 872750


http://www.sleeman-hawken.co.uk/

I've got an invoice from them dated 07/20/00 for a new piston for the 6-1 £85. It's a lovely aluminium job, much nicer than the early cast iron ones. Are the 'Roid ones ally or iron?

Julian.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Rocker shaft repair---
« on: July 21, 2006, 07:39:29 AM »
Quote from: rjcroc on July 20, 2006, 02:47:26 PM
Guy, is that your 6/1 som ? I cant help but to notice 6 + 1 head bolts. Perhaps all the problems with leaking head gaskets and which sealer to use could be because the oids have 4 + 1 head bolts.

Rick

I've been reading the leaking head gasket thread and it's always puzzled me a little. I've had my Lister 6-1 for years, had the head off several times, *always* reused the original copper asbesdos gasket and *never* had any leakage problem whatsoever. Now that I've discovered that the 'roids have only 4 head bolts then it makes sense!  It's almost as if the 'roid factories are making a positive attempt to make the things as shit and unreliable as posible! What on earth is going through their minds?

I don't suppose you could modify and install the correct number of studs to make it work?


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General Discussion / Re: ST2 Lister Rebuild
« on: July 20, 2006, 09:00:15 AM »
>If water loosens the rust as has been said here, then so much the better.

On another forum someone swears that Tizer or Coke (any fizzy drink) is far beter at loosening the rust than plain water. Seemingly it partially dissolves the rust, he also swears by it for removing rusted exhaust studs from cylinder heads.



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General Discussion / Re: diesel conversion
« on: July 19, 2006, 08:54:45 AM »
Hi, most of the small spark ignition engines in the UK of that vintage were available as petrol/paraffin, The Lister D (K) was by far the most prolific. (I have one of these) It incorporated a carb with a variable main jet, a vapouriser (essentially a method to heat the intake with exhaust heat) two fuel tanks and a changeover valve. Starting and stopping is done on petrol, when warm and under load you can swap to oil.

I think Diesel fuel oil is just a tad too heavy for reliable operation. You need paraffin, maybe better known as kerosine or 28second (viscosity) gas oil. In the UK the light oil used for domestic oil fired central heating works just fine.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: need a supercharger for you lister?
« on: July 16, 2006, 08:46:47 AM »
Quote from: bitsnpieces1 on July 16, 2006, 02:35:12 AM
  Speaking of superchargers - maybe someone can help me track down some info.  About 10 years ago I bought some old hand carried mosquito foggers at a city surplus property auction aaand just recently got to looking at them.  It is powered by a 2 stroke engine which runs a Rootes type blower.  The blower has about a 1 1/4" inlet and outlet and is mounted to a frame with three bolts.  So far I haven't found any ID other than the VolksWagen logo pressed into the seals for the end bearings.  I'm trying to get the frozen drive pulley off to pull it out of the frame it's mounted in, maybe then I'l  find more.  It appears that it might be a commercial unit for some type of engine or maybe for !!whatever!! application.  The unit it's on is tagged with  "Micro-Gen Equipment Corporation"  Model No. 2AA   Serial No. 1602
  Anybody got any ideas??     Les
 

Yes, it sounds like the supercharger fitted to some VW Golfs and Polos, (maybe Rabbits in the US?) If you type G-Lader, supercharger and maybe G60 into Google, you get more info that you can shake a stick at!

Julian.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Accidents involving Listeroids?
« on: July 13, 2006, 08:06:31 PM »
Quote from: fattywagonman on July 13, 2006, 07:12:20 PM
.. the modern kid is raised in a protected world with rubberrized playground equipment has no idea a moving object can cause harm... and that some things are hot and will burn you...

True story:

Last year I was attending a local rally with my 1919 Aveling and Porter steam roller. I had opened the fire hole door and was giving the fire a good stirring to knock out the ash and crap before throwing more coal on. One young lad had watched the entire process from start to finish and watched  me stir the red hot fire for at least a minute. Afterwards I hung the shovel back up on the side of the engine and he proceeded to put his hand firmly on the end of it. You can guess the rest! What are parents and school teachers up to these days?

Julian.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Accidents involving Listeroids?
« on: July 13, 2006, 07:54:38 PM »
Quote from: fattywagonman on July 13, 2006, 06:50:18 PM
Hi Julian,
I see... I thought it was a semi diesel like the Lanz pictured here...
http://www.dynapay.com.au/Tony/Lanz/Pictures/2004%20Pics/Henrik's%20D9538%201935%20B.jpg

but it sounds like it's a  2 stroke diesel.. As I'm sure you know the lister is 4 stroke and less likely to run backwards..
Here's some video of the Lanz tractors... I love that they use the steering wheel as the crank...
http://www.dynapay.com.au/tony/lanz/VideoClips/Default.htm

I nearly bought a Lanz Buldog once, they are quite common in the UK and exporters in Europe are keen to sell to us. I think it's safe to say that the Marshall Single Cylinder Diesel was one step up the evolutionary ladder to the Lanz hot bulb. My Field Marshall was about the last model with the single cylinder produced by Marshall,But earlier models like the Marshall 15/30 dated back to the 30's when the techonolgy only just existed to produce injection pumps as we know them today. They certainly are a tractor with a difference and very unique, in their day they gave the petrol/paraffin tractors with their high fuel consumption and unreliable magnetos a real hammering!

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister SL air cooled parts
« on: July 13, 2006, 05:30:23 PM »
Quote from: vegelec on July 11, 2006, 11:07:53 PM
Hi guys

Just found your forum, im looking for a source of parts for my lister SL single cylinder air cooled diesel, im looking for gaskets for an overhaul and alternative springs for the governer so i can change it from its current 1500rpm to 900-1000rpm.

any advice and info on this engine would be greatly appreciated

cheers andy

I can't help, but a common dodge on some Listers is to remove one of the governor springs.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Accidents involving Listeroids?
« on: July 13, 2006, 05:28:52 PM »
Quote from: fattywagonman on July 13, 2006, 02:27:23 PM
Hi Julian,
Nice tractor... So your tractor is a semidiesel like the FM at the top of this page..
http://www.oldengineshed.com/diesel.html


No, it's actually a true Diesel. However, it's like a CS 6-1 running on low compression only, ie it will only start without glowing ignition papers (saltpetre impregnated) when it's hot and then only with the aid of a starting cartridge, simply because it would be physically too difficult to hand swing over a full compression. When starting from cold on the handle you need ignition papers.

It sends lovely smoke rings up into the sky and when threshing or ploughing you could hear the exhaust about a mile away!

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Accidents involving Listeroids?
« on: July 13, 2006, 07:06:28 AM »
Quote from: sid on July 12, 2006, 03:47:38 AM
a diesel properly timed will not kick back.

Some of the early lamp start hot bulb semi-diesels are started by bouncing the flywheel against compression in the wrong direction - the intention is for it to fire, not make it over TDC, and kickback and run in the correct direction.

Also,I've got a Field Marshall tractor in my collection, here's an example:

http://www.tractordata.co.uk/field_marshall/pages/field_marshall_3_1950/

It's a two stroke single cylinder, (40BHP/750RPM) starting is with glowing papers and either a handle or cartridge. The decompressor automatically drops to give 1/2 compression for one revolution during starting - it's physically imposible to swing over full compression because it's just too big. If you get it wrong it will run very hapily backwards, you get a lot of reverse gears and one forward gear! You've got to stop it quick because the lubrication pump runs backwards and won't deliver oil. The starting handle is about 3 times bigger than a Listeroid one and reputedly would be thrown clear over the barn roof into the next field!

Some of the early Diesel engines had pneumatic speed regulation, (a venturi in the inlet manifold) if they ran backwards the governor wouldn't control and the engine was often damaged - some of the early Ferguson tractors had this system I think. I've never had the CS 6-1 going backwards yet though.....

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