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Take a few pictures of inside the top box post then here and I will identify the components for you.


On closer examination of your picture it appears that the box on top of the generator is the wrong way round.



Here is a diagram for a 2.5 kW SOM with the SOM box removed and converted to push button start.

The red wiring is the battery charging and those bits where enclosed in the SOM control box which you dont have.
I would not bother with those bits and just use a small mains operated 24volt scooter charger instead ebay item no 174131561726  The SOM system for your model is 24volts.

 Alternatively you could just fit a push button switch ebay item no 233309463589 to the contactor.  Press the button when up to speed pull back the solenoid bell crank lever and when the engines running nicely,  jam a bit of wood under the bell crank to keep the engine running.  To stop the engine remove the bit of wood.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister 8/1 SOM control panel
« on: August 27, 2020, 09:30:18 PM »
What kind of bulb are you using to trigger the startomatic system?  It needs to be at least a 40 watt incandescent light bulb, modern led bulbs wont work it.

This describes how to keep the set running without having to keep your finger on the button.

In the event of trouble developing on the switchgear or control
solenoids the engine can readily be started by hand and the plant
run direct on to the load by following the instructions given below.
Before resorting to Hand Starting always check:-
(a) That the trouble is not due to a blown fuse in the house
distribution fuse box or main switch-fuse. or perhaps
even a faulty lamp.
(b} That the battery fuse which is accommodated in the control
box on top of the alternator has not blown.
(c} That the Emergency Hand Reset Thermal Switch J has not
tripped. Press button with thumb to reset.
Move Rotary Control Switch IS to HAND OR PUSH BUTTON START.
(a) Press the button labelled “Push Button Start”.
(b)} Operate the fuel control solenoid bell crank lever by hand
and insert the collar provided between it and the top of
the coil case.
(a} Use starting handle as described in the engine instruction book.
(b} Operate the fuel control solenoid bell crank lever by hand
and insert the collar provided between it and the top of
the coil case.
Remove the collar from between the bell crank lever and the top
of the coil case.

This is a picture of a control box I rebuilt 5 years for someone else its still working fine.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Lister CS 6/1 running to slow
« on: August 27, 2020, 06:16:58 PM »

Heres  a picture of both weights the 8/1 is lighter.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Electric starter
« on: May 18, 2020, 12:39:07 AM »
eBay item number:163833444864 Might be what you need

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Electric starter
« on: April 30, 2020, 06:23:35 PM »
I believe from what I've read (on here!) that the Startomatics had a blanking plug in place of the change over valve and thicker gaskets (or maybe a spacer) under the cylinder to achieve a compression ratio somewhere between high and low, If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.=

The 6/1 has the changeover and changes the compression ratio from 19 to 1 high comp to 16 to 1 low comp.
The 8/1 has no changeover valve and compression ratio is 17.5 to 1.
With the changeover valve fully screwed in it is the same as the plug in the 8/1.  Therefore if you change the piston to head clearance from the 6/1 setting of 0.045 to 0.050 to the 8/1 setting of 0.075 to 0.080  you will be fine.  The 8/1 comes with a 0.020 steel spacer but you can make up the difference with a corn flakes packet gasket.

Generators / Re: 4.5kva output
« on: April 11, 2020, 01:37:41 PM »
I said I had this brochure a year ago.  I have scanned it and cleaned it up a bit.  It shows how the engines were built to BS 649/1958 and alternators to BS 2613/1957 Both of them capable of being run continuously and 10% overloaded for up to an hour in 12 hours. So theoretically the Lister 4.5Kw alternator is capable of producing 4.94 Kw absolute max for an hour.

Straight Vegetable Oil / Re: injector
« on: April 07, 2020, 11:46:52 PM »

Check this out its a serious university report on running a lister 6/1 on vegoil with 3 simple modifications.  Personally I think it is flawed.  They make a preheater out of the CS bung to increase the fuel temperature to 90 degC just before it enters the injector.  I dont believe this is of any benefit at all.  They have a thermostat on the engine and they do all their testing when the engine is up to 90 deg C. Not once do they ever do a test without preheating the fuel even when they don't use their fancy preheater they use electric heating on the injector pipe.  How can they know if it makes any difference when they haven't tested it with no preheating?

In their report they increase the injector pressure and adjust the timing. They recommend 15Mpa injector pressure which is 148 atmospheres. This is nearly the same as the injector pressure for the 16/2 engines see excerpt from 1971 Lister manual. They also advance the injection to 25 deg BTDC which again is similar to the 16/1 setting.



Listeroid Engines / Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
« on: April 05, 2020, 10:47:02 PM »
Vegoil tank

Red diesel tank

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Unpainted Flywheels
« on: April 05, 2020, 09:48:37 PM »
All painted green. Original 1974 startomatic in original uncleaned condition.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: cracked piston
« on: March 30, 2020, 10:16:16 PM »
Pistons got to be the problem. The barrel looks like an Indian one I bet the piston is as well.  Get the seller to replace it.

Engines / Re: Kohlor 8.5 kw with Lister SR2
« on: March 14, 2020, 03:55:15 PM »
I can confirm that it is legal to use 2500 litres WVO or biodiesel tax free in the UK.

From Wikipedia
The changes came into effect on June 30, 2007. There is no longer a requirement to register to pay duty on vegetable oil used as road fuel for those who "produce" or use less than 2,500 litres per year.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Water or steam injection
« on: February 22, 2020, 01:40:12 AM »

If the link doesnt work just type in   HC-12

It is funny but I forgot about extending the range on the wifi because years ago i made a cantana which was basically a pringles can with a little ariel it worked great.

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