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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister Blackstone advice
« on: June 16, 2022, 10:26:27 PM »
Well, finally some small update on the renovation!

I have managed to draw all liners, but it was not a straight forward task. To make room for the power jacks I first removed as many BSF 1" pins as possible using a 2m bar. I guess I manged with some 35 out of the total 48. Then I used two 10t power jacks on top in addition to two 5t porta power against the crankshaft. Even so it was on the edge the liners popped with a bang. Amazing that nothing broke, considering the force must have been in excess of 50t in total. The tool I used was a 20mm steel plate under the liners and a M30 rod to the top where it connected to a 100x100x10 tube above the power jacks. Have attached a photo, but rather dark I'm afraid. With the liners removed, it was a piece of cake to warm up the pin holder from the inside, and so I tremoved the rest of them! Next I cleaned out the water cavity (very messy, must have been some 10kg of rust there) and painted with a special urethane heavy zinc paint. After some more cleaning up of the heavy soot oil in the sump, I will put in three new liners I managed to find together with three of the best used ones. For the purpose I made an indicator clock to measure the wear.

Yes, I also managed to find O-rings of the exact size near by. They had both metric and imperial, so it was a simple task. I also made a drawing of the head gaskets. It took some iterations with printing and cutting cardboard for testing before I was satisfied. Then I found a local supplier which was actually cheaper then Gasketstogo (inc freight, toll and VAT that is).

All in all, most things are now disassembled but I need to clean out the engine base, which is a messy thing. The old lube is like tar and full of soot. After that I will level the engine and start assemble it. However, now summer is here and outdoor work on the boat is prioritized so I will probably wait until fall to continue on the engine.

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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister Blackstone advice
« on: January 05, 2022, 03:35:05 PM »
Small update - Mostly indoor work preparations due to wet and cold weather during winter.

Yes, have thought about O-ring by the meter, but have bad experience with the brittle joint created by the cyanoacrylate.
After some searching I found another supplier that seems to have the required size, will check as soon as I get the liners out.

I have read a bit on the head gasket issue and seems a graphite composite gasket reinforced with thin sheet metal around the combustion surface is the way to do it. Anyhow I will ask GasketToGo as soon as I get a cylinder head to my workshop for measure.

Also fixed up some tools for future use, mostly for the turbo charger, a Napier MS100. These tools was supplied with the engine, but were in very bad shape.
Only lack one, the so called "Screw-jack ANR.81645" second top left on page 47.

In addition I made two more tools, one for lifting cylinder heads and one for piston. The latter lock in two grooves on top of the piston.
Will also make an extraction tool for liners so that I can use two hydraulic jacks on top instead of porta powers against the crankshaft.

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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Re: Lister Blackstone advice
« on: December 08, 2021, 01:22:59 PM »
Hi again and thank you all for the replies!

Yes cobbadog, I realize that I should have told more on the background and my plans, my bad!

I reside in Gothenburg, at the west coast of Sweden. As it is a coastal city, we have some old ships and henche ship engines near by. Most of them are Swedish or at least Scandinavian, like NOHAB Polar, Skandia, Seffle or B&W Alpha. The Lister Blackstone is quite rare. I am a member of a non-profit association for historical commercial ships, i.e. over 12m. Mine is 25m and considered medium sized. It is privately owned and renovated by me, which is on the edge but only works since I refurbish old equipment and try to learn along the way. I've attached a photo of the boat in the floating dock this summer when I did a overhaul with sandblasting and repainting.

The head gaskets are roughly 44x35cm, as the attached picture. The one installed are simply hand made, which can be seen on the uneven shapes, and made from a single piece of dense gasket material. The protruding liner is also clearly visible. I asked my local gasket provider, rima.se, and they kind of recommended Flexitallic RGS3, which is a steel reinforced carbon gasket. However, since they did not have any experience in combustion engines, they could not tell for sure that it would work. After talking to the manufacturer, Flexitallic, I found they did not know either. Guess they are more into chemical/process industry. Thing is I would not want to blow out this gasket, and if I could learn something about proper head gaskets and their compression rates at the same time it would be even better.

My original plan was to provide my gasket provider with a drawing, like dwg, and have them machine out the shape from a suitable material. They have a large sized gasket CNC knife cutting machine. This will be rater expensive including all the several m2 of gasket material as I would want 12 pcs, double my inital demand for the 6 cyl engine. 38ac and mobile_bob, you both recommended Gaskets To Go, that is gasketstogo.com in Thailand, right? They look really professional and I will definately ask for a quotation, but I think the total, inc trp and import charges, will be hefty. Even so, you have a point in getting the professional stuff, and there is only half zombie apocalypse here for the moment!

As for the gasket thickness, the manual list a liner projection of 0.23-0.35mm, so let's say 0.3mm. As an example, let's go for the RGS3, which has a max compression rate of 50%, which will then occur around the liner. Using a 2mm gasket, we then get the head to block distance 0.5*2+0.3=1.3mm, which corresponds to 35% compression. A 3mm gasket gives 40%. etc. Is this a useful way to deal with gaskets to make sure they do not leak or am I way off? 

Regarding the o-rings, since the cylinder dia is 8"3/4, or 222mm, the rings are around 240mm, which is too large for my present provider. Bringing the liner is possible, but not feasable since it is not easy to carry along. I use cranes and fork lifts not to kill myself while handling things. I'll see if I can find another company for the o-rings.

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Other Slow Speed Diesels / Lister Blackstone advice
« on: December 06, 2021, 05:26:16 PM »
Hi and thank you for letting me join the forum!

I have a Lister Blackstone ERSM6 currently under repair and would appreciate some advice. I do have the original instruction/parts manual, but it does leave rather many details out. If anyone have knowledge of these engines and could help me out here I would be very grateful.

As a background, I purchased the engine together with all auxillary equipment (heat exchangers, air tanks, oil tank etc) 'at the side' and have started to install it in a boat. I've got it preliminary lined up against the propeller shaft and am now disassembling and renovating to put things back again by spring-summer next year. All cylinder heads are off, next is pistons and liners. The engine has not been running for approx 30yrs, so I recon I have to replace the double o-rings at the bottom of the liners. Probably need to special order those to be manufactured. Then I plan to indicate crankshaft and level the bedplate accordingly, to finally tighten the 18 M24 bolts (12 for eng and 6 for gear). If everything goes well, I will start it up sometime late summer next year. 

First issue is suitable cylinder head gasket material to manufacture my own gaskets. The old ones are, after many yers of duty, roughly 3mm thick and really compact. Now, question is what new gasket material to what thickness to use to get acceptable compression rates to fill the gap for the up to 0.4mm protruding liner? Usually you want the gasket as thin as possible, but able to get acceptable compression rates over the whole surface. Yes, the max cylinder pressure is listed as 66 kg/cm2, which seems pretty moderate?

Then, if anyone knows any weak spots of this particular engine and have tips on how to correct them, it would be really helpful. Not nice to find internal oil pipes burst while at sea!

Best regards,
Peter

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