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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: Today at 11:59:39 AM »
G`day folks, finally some of the parts I ordered are starting to be delivered. Today the replacement seals for the push rod tubes arrived, the push rod tubes have now all been fitted, What a pr1ck of a job, the internal springs are very powerful and at full compression only allow about 3 mm of clearance, sore arms and skinned knuckles!
All of the engine shrouds have been painted and fitted, another pr1ck of a job. the shrouds have clearly been bashed about over the years so none of the holes would line up with the threads in the engine. I`m glad there is no swear jar around here or I`d not be able to buy a beer for months!  :laugh:
So the beast is finally coming together, in the morning I will fit the inlet and exhaust manifolds and refit the oil feed lines. Still waiting on parts for injector pumps, should be here next week.
Some pics attached for you diesel junkies:

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 16-2 Fuel Pumps
« on: Today at 11:26:07 AM »
Hi Guys, 38ac is absolutely correct as usual, however there is one other possible cause that I have only ever seen once, if someone has stripped the injector pump and assembled it with the injector element plunger back to front; then the spiral groove in it will not align with the fuel inlet so no fuel will flow into the chamber to be pressurised and sent to the fuel injector. Has someone been messing with these injector pumps? That is a very unlikely possibility as you had free fuel flow when you removed the delivery valves, Much more likely that there is still air in the fuel line and you are hoping that an injector pump will work with air in the system. Bleed them again until you get NO air bubbles.
Have you done a spill timing on these injectors? If the plunger beneath the fuel injector pump is badly adjusted it may not rise far enough to pump fuel to the fuel injectors. Please get the service manual and follow the instructions, it is very easy to damage the injector elements if incorrectly adjusted.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 20, 2024, 12:34:58 PM »
Hi guys and Gals, it`s been a few days since I posted any progress, sorry, I`ve been waiting for parts deliveries. Incredibly I have received new oil seals shipped from the UK faster than parts I ordered at the same time from within Australia, where I live. The crankcase and gear end seals have been fitted and the flywheel has been re-fitted and painted. The Lucas starter motor has been stripped, serviced and re-fitted, no apparent wear on the commutator ring confirms that this engine has done little or no work.
Cleaned up and painted the Lucas dynamo today, I don`t think I have played with a dynamo since the 1970s but it looks OK and tests OK with a multimeter.
Stripped and painted some of the engine shrouds today, looking forward to getting the motor finished and moving on to the generator head and wiring.
Parts should arrive next week. A few pics attached for those too lazy to read.

Bob

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Petteroids / Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
« on: April 18, 2024, 10:17:44 PM »
My Wife tells me he has been unwell and spent some time in hospital. I`m sure we all wish him a speedy recovery.

Bob

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Petteroids / Re: PETTER - PAZ1 - New project
« on: April 18, 2024, 09:34:52 AM »
Hi VP, I had a look at this and did some research today. That AVR is not suitable for what you have, it requires six wires and your diagram only shows four. There are some more suitable four wire  AVRs available on Ebay search for GAVR, some require a 9 volt battery to initialise them.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 16, 2024, 12:15:15 PM »
Hi cujet, it would appear from the video that these are reasonably safe if you drill holes in them, I wonder what would happen if you put them in a house fire at maybe 1200 centigrade or more, when my previous home burned down, it reduced ceramic tiles to dust and melted the enamel on a cast iron bath! I will be taking the advice of a firefighter and building a small brick/concrete enclosure a few meters from my new home, it will probably cost a lot less than the batteries. Once bitten twice shy.

Back to my PJ project, I doubt that the enviromentalists will agree that this diesel engine is now 'Green' but it does look that way. fuel injectors and aluminium cooling shrouds are all done and fitted but not torqued yet. Push rod tubes are all done and awaiting new neoprene seals before fitting.
Does anyone understand why large industrial manufacturers like Lister/Petter did not use an etch primer on aluminium bits? I am sick and tired of seeing perfectly good aluminium castings with peeling paint! Some parts of this engine have been very well primed while others have not, I guess a lot of components were outsourced and some suppliers where better than others. Some of you will be wondering why I am so interested in corrosion protection: I now live 300 yards from sea and we get regular salty sea fog which will turn steel into dust very swiftly.
A few pics for the viewers:

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 14, 2024, 11:45:47 AM »
G`Day, sorry I didn`t post yesterday but a bit of a long day.  Mounted the engine on its chassis without breaking my back and manage to get the inlet and exhaust manifold stripped and painted with a high temperature paint, promises to be good to 1200 degrees. I`ll believe it when I see it! Photos attached.
Today was spent stripping and cleaning fuel injectors, aluminium injector coolers and a bucket full of rusty nuts and bolts, pics tomorrow.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 14, 2024, 10:22:25 AM »
Hi Guys, i based my post about the fire dangers associated with lithium iron batteries on a conversation I had recently with a friend who works for the State Emergency Service and also as a volunteer fire fighter. He was recently sent on a fire fighting course in which they highlighted the dangers of these batteries and how hard they are to extinguish once alight. When I told him I was considering backup batteries for my new solar system ha asked my to ensure that they were not in the house, under the house or mounted on the outside of the house. I am sure that some batteries are a lot safer than others but if the fire fighters don`t like them nor do I. Apparently when they do burn they also give off very toxic fumes that are bad for the environment and people.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 12, 2024, 11:08:55 PM »
G`Day, as promised attached photo of engine with red oxide primer.
Managed to clean up and prime the flywheel and some other parts. I was wondering about the date of this Petter, I found a date stamped into the starter gear ring stating that it was shrunk on 11 76 so I`m guessing this refers to November 1976, so this motor was probably assembled in late 76 or early 77.
Nice set of timing marks at 23 & 26 degrees before and after TDC for each cylinder, don`t know if these refer to valve timing or spill timing or both, time to check the instruction manual.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 11, 2024, 12:17:28 PM »
Sorry, third photo not related to generator head, part of the dynamo wiring loom.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 11, 2024, 12:13:02 PM »
G`day everyone, today I degrased the PJ2 and rubbed down all the loose flaking paint and it now has a new coat of red oxide primer. No photos as my camera had a flat battery. will take some shots in the morning.
I also had the time to check out the generator head. This has seen very little use judging by the wear on the slip rings( no ridges). This is a transformer fed generator with 6 power diodes feeding the field windings. All of the windings and diodes show continuity with a multimeter and the transformers also tested ok. So this unit will be stripped, cleaned, bearings will be greased or replaced, bearing seals will be replaced. The armature will be cleaned and have two coats of polyurethane varnish to the windings and the slip rings will get a clean.
I will remove the four field winding coils and they will also be cleaned and have two coats of polyurethane varnish.
I will need to replace all of the radio frequency suppression capacitors as they are all blown to pieces.
Photos attached

Bob

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Listeroid Engines / Re: 16-2 Fuel Pumps
« on: April 11, 2024, 10:33:36 AM »
Hi Dan, is the rack fully open? Normally the rack is fully closed when it is pulled to the left and fully open when pushed to the right, if the rack is closed it turns off the fuel and you will get no spill from the top of the injector pump. Bryce injector pumps have a bleed screw near the top of the injector pump, i`m not so sure about the Indian Mico injector pumps, if there is a bleed screw bleed it till it runs free of air bubbles and try again.

Bob

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Lister Based Generators / Re: Time for generators
« on: April 10, 2024, 08:20:47 AM »
G`day everyone. Not a bad days work, the PJ2  has been stripped down as far as I am going to go, no significant problems were found except for a lot of perished rubber/neoprene seals, these will all be replaced. There was a lot of detritus between the cylinder cooling vanes, largely mud wasps nests, mouse sh1t, leaves and dead spiders; degreaser, a wire brush and a pressure washer has got rid of the problem.
I hate working on British machinery of this vintage, late seventies thru early eighties. Britain was going through metrication so this thing has UNC, UNF and Metric nuts and bolts, two sets of spanners and 2 socket sets required. spent half the day trying to find the right tools for the job. A few nuts had to be removed with an adjustable spanner, not 1/2" nor 9/16" , 13mm too small and a 14mm spanner is too big, I`m thinking they may be old Whitworth sizes.
Another worrying issue is that most of the nuts and bolts were little more than finger tight, according to the hour meter this engine has done less than 100 hours from new and the service manual does stipulate checking for tightness at it`s first service at 250 hours. I guess that it has never had that first service and that a lot of the gaskets have shrunk over the last 40 years.
I`ll start ordering the bits needed tomorrow. I`m still looking for advice about replacing the plastic seals on the pushrod tubes.
A couple of pics attached.

Bob

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Hello again Ernie, just a thought on where to get a wiring diagram. Try sending a personal message to DieselGman, you should find him in the members list at the top of the page. He has a very extensive diesel generator library. He is running a business but his prices are very reasonable.

Bob

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Very nice work Ernie. I can`t help you with a wiring diagram, I have only ever worked on single phase Brush generator heads.

Bob

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