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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: August 19, 2024, 04:23:37 PM »
You are quite welcome. I am a tradesman as well, HVAC/Refrigeration, been one heck of a busy summer here too.

If you mean "visually" constantly monitoring, a drilled and tapped hole for a thermometer well would be the most accurite but I don't think there is a anywhere on a CS cylinder or head thick enough to get a good thread. The easiest solution if you have pipe stubs at the inlet and outlet of the engine would be something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/Dtacke-Thermometer-Spring-Temperature-Thermo/dp/B07XJM8XM8

They just strap on with various length springs and should be relatively accurite. Pretty cheap too.

I'm sure with a little digging around you should be able to find one with a proper Fahrenheit scale.

What a great idea. That reminds me of the magnetic thermometer that I have on my wood stove.

It's awesome that you service Listeroids. I am in North Carolina and have yet to meet a single person here in NC who has even heard of a Lister. :)

Thanks


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: August 18, 2024, 07:32:18 PM »
The problem with IR thermometers is that they work on a priciple called emissivity. Surface color, texture, and reflectivity can skew the readings significantly.

You would be better off to get a contact type thermometer as the readings would be more reliable. It is strange that you have a hot spot on the cylinder head as your cooling water numbers look pretty good assuming they are taken with the engine under load.

A picture of your setup would also help give an idea what you have going on.

Thanks for the great advice bronco. I really appreciate it. Been swamped at work and have not had time to get those pictures over. I can definitely relate to your concern about the contactless thermometers. I am an electrician and own the "FLIR ONE PRO LT" Thermal Imaging Camera and have issues with the emmissivity.
I was wondering if I can ask you another question. If I wanted to continuously monitor the coolant temperature what would be the best way to go about doing that? My Lister is made by Powerline and It's a 10/1.

Thanks again.


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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: August 09, 2024, 12:54:59 AM »
Hello All,

        I sell Listeroids and this problem with heat management comes up a lot. For starters 220F is too hot, should be 180F Max. The problem I've found with small automotive radiators is bleeding the air bubbles.  I find that the old NASCAR trick of feeding the engine coolant output into the bottom or the radiator works wonders. The bubbles automatically purge out the top. With the conventional plumbing of in the top and out the bottom on my 10/1 demo unit and the 180F thermostat stayed open, the electric fan never started and the recovery tank started over heating. Reverse the flow and the thermostat never opened releasing only the bleed volume through the closed thermostat. The fan started on a 50% duty cycle and the temp stayed at about 160F. Same load just different heat management.

Best
Graham Slieker

Thanks for the great help. I would definitely be lost without everyone's friendly advice.

I reversed the radiator hoses so that the hot water / antifreeze mixture leaving the 10/1 enters the bottom of the radiator and I am still getting about 260-degrees F with my non-contact infrared thermometer aimed at the engine block about an inch to the left of the hot water outlet. When I aim the thermometer right on the hot water outlet just before it enters the hose I am only getting about 190-degrees F. I have the radiator fan running and the temp entering the radiator is about 150-F and leaving the radiator is about 130-F. Do you think this is sufficient or maybe I should be thinking about installing a larger radiator?  :)

Thanks.

TEMPERATURE -                                              F
AT BLOCK TO LEFT OF OUTPUT =                   260
AT BLOCK AT OUTPUT              =                   190
ON RADIATOR HOSE AT RADIATOR INPUT =    150
ON RADIATOR HOSE AT RADIATOR OUTPUT = 130

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Proper Heat Management for Listeroids
« on: August 08, 2024, 02:17:31 PM »
I guess that the liquid pathways in the smaller radiators are so small that they create a lot of turbulence and air bubbles.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: August 08, 2024, 01:54:29 AM »
That is great advice Graham. I will give it a try and let you know how it works out.
Thanks,

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: June 07, 2024, 01:34:49 AM »
Thank you all for the great advice. You have generously given me ideas to implement on my generator. Mounting the radiator horizontally sounds amazing. I can picture the air just pouring through the fins.

Bronco to answer your two questions

""What is the temperature coming out of the bottom of the radiator? Did you put your pump on the inlet or outlet of the engine?""

I dont remember the temperature exactly but I think it was in the high 100s. And the pump is on the inlet side of the engine (the lower one).

Ajaffa the radiator is mounted vertically like a car radiator but I will look into mounting it horizontally. Also, I do not have a bypass for the electric water circulating pump. I should put one in right away. Or, If I ventilate the radiator adequately should I just remove the pump and convert the system to a non-pressurized? Maybe just use the thermosyphon setup?

This is all awesome info to ponder.

Thanks,

Jim

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: May 27, 2024, 04:33:39 PM »
Okay, well I am finally getting around to working on cooling my listeroid 10/1. I have installed a small radiator, a household fan for the radiator and a hot water heater circulating pump. I filled the radiator with a 50/50 solution of antifreeze and water.
My operating temperature on the engine block next to where antifreeze leaves the generator is 220-degrees farenheit after about 20 - miinutes of operation.

Is there anything else that I might want to try in order to bring the temp down some?

The circulating pump has 3 - speeds. I have it on the lowest speed in order to keep from adding too much pressure to the cooling system.

The fan is not pushing too much air through the radiator. The simplist test that I could do is install a more powerful fan.

The radiator is probably something that you would see in a small 4-cylinder car.


Thanks for the help..

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Listeroid Engines / Hot Water Circulator Max Temp Rating.
« on: October 20, 2023, 10:20:04 PM »
Hello,

I am looking at some Grundfos hot water circulator pumps for the radiator on my Listeroid 10/1. The one that I am looking at is rated max temp of 150-degrees farenheit. Is that high enough to handle the ranges on my generator?

Thanks,

Jim

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Manual For Listeroid 10/1
« on: August 27, 2023, 01:33:01 PM »
The India "manuals" are very generic, same one issued for a 6/1 or 25/2. Theyoffer little information of value, some of it flat wrong.. Also there are variants of engines called 10/1 with various RPMs and bore sizes.I might have a manual here somewhere. What is it you need to know? I might be able to help

I have been researching radiators and have decided to go with a small one off of a 4 - cylinder car out of the junk yard, add a 120-v household box fan to it and also add a 120-v grundfos circulating pump to it as well. Just wondering whether or not this should be sufficient for keeping the 10/1 1,000RPM nice and cool. I am not thrilled about using 120-v for the fan or the circulating pump but that would be easier than adding a belt and pulley or an alternator.

Thanks for the input. Hope youre having a great day.

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Listeroid Engines / Manual For Listeroid 10/1
« on: August 25, 2023, 09:51:09 PM »

Where can I find a manual for a Listeroid 10/1?

Thanks,

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Radiator Coolant Pump or Fan
« on: August 20, 2023, 01:51:57 AM »
We've been using those relatively inexpensive "Grundfos" style hot water circulating pumps with good results. They run on 120v, take very little power and seem to be utterly reliable.

The Grundfos brand is prob top notch and will cost about $130 if you look carefully. The clones are about half that. I don't know how well the clones hold up.

Hello cujet,

If I use a circulating pump does the system need to be under pressure?

Thanks..

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Listeroid Engines / Re: How To Choose A Radiator
« on: August 19, 2023, 01:06:25 AM »
Can't wait to delve in. My damaged one is a nice sized one and I had it set up for Thermosiphon (I believe).

Thanks,


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Listeroid Engines / Re: How To Choose A Radiator
« on: August 18, 2023, 01:08:18 AM »
Nice.....  I will start researching this. 

Thanks.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Radiator Coolant Pump or Fan
« on: August 18, 2023, 01:07:08 AM »
Thanks for the good info. I will look those up.

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Listeroid Engines / How To Choose A Radiator
« on: August 16, 2023, 12:22:59 PM »

Hello,

The radiator on my 10-HP / 1-Cylinder Lister Clone has 1 - substantial leak at the fitting where the freon exits the radiator. I showed it to my friend who is an old school plumber and very good at soldering and he is recommending that I just try to find another radiator at the junk yard. Is there a certain type and size radiator that I should be looking for?

Thank you for the advice.

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