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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: sump plug
« on: July 24, 2008, 09:11:12 PM »

I could tell you the size of mine from my original 5/1 CS.
It's 3/4" plug with British standard pipe thread.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 5/1 CS with to less compression
« on: July 01, 2008, 10:25:32 PM »
Hi RAB, hi Doug,

just some last sentences for this day. It's 3 quarters to midnight here in Berlin/Germany. The engine is two hours away from here and I only can get there once in a while.

I can't feel any worn out bearings. They all seem to be tight but going and they don't knock or sound strange. I put a good load of fresh oil inside before trying to start for the first time. This is what you meant with »Oil will mask«, didn't you Doug?
The only odd thing I realized was the con rod moving left and right some millimeters on the crankshaft after I removed the cylinder but hat could be normal I think. There is no clearance sensible on any of the bearings. Only the bush bearing of the camshaft breathes when cranking. This bearing looks worn out.

Doug, I didn't understand all your writing. What do you mean with »Isnp/PM routine touch«? Sorry for that, it's just my little English.

Good night!

Original Lister Cs Engines / 5/1 CS with to less compression
« on: July 01, 2008, 10:39:54 AM »
Hi there,

my to be restored 5/1 CS asks me some questions I can't find an answer for.
The problem is the compression ratio or better the head <-> cylinder clearance in TDC/UDC.
The measured clearance is 1,95mm (~0.077 in). This is by far to much. A 6/1 CS should have 0.040"-0.050". And I thought it was build with the same dimensions and measurements.
This clearance was measured by me with a solder wire after removing all shims between crank case and cylinder.
What could be the reason for this? Are the bearings worn out this strong/huge/heavy?
Which bearing should I change at first? I already removed the flywheels. But I'm not sure if the crankshaft bearings or the con rod bearings or both are the reason.
I'm not a mechanic so to change the bearings is a challange for me.

Are there any other things I could do first?


Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Pics of your veggie fueled listeroid
« on: March 10, 2008, 08:29:02 AM »
Thanks Guys,

I'll have a look at this thread.


Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Pics of your veggie fueled listeroid
« on: March 09, 2008, 05:22:52 PM »
Hi Biobill,

I' try my best to explain our situation in english.

The money we get depends on the fuel that is used to produce the electricity.
We get small money when the engine is run on normal mineral diesel and a bit more using renewable sources like SVO. And we get even more if the electricity source is a BHKW (see below).
The money is still very few but I think this will change in the future.

The stop system I'm looking for is not to cut of the whole system from the grid, there is an electronic device with large switchable fuses (motor protecting switches) that does this. But my Listeroid has to be stopped too. Therefore I need a simple solution to shutoff the listeroid on grid failure. Otherwise the engines rpms would go up to max with no load at all.

There is no inverter on the generator. The generator is simple an asynchronous working motor. It could be used as a starter for listeroid too. When the engine speed has reached grid frequency we give max power to the listeroid and it tries to raise the speed further. Now the motor has become a generator.

For this setup it is important to have the engine and the generator at about the same power. If the engine has more power than the generator can sent into the grid the engine will run away and the setup gets blown up.

The other way round isn't as dangerous as the previous. The generator will simply be less efficient.

For the usage as an island system I want to put a synchronous generator next to the listeroid and I change the belt from the asynchronous to the synchronous generator.

The setup then looks like this:

synch.Gen====belt====Listeroid    belt    asynch.Gen

This all is theroretical only, because I don't have much spare time at the moment. But I already own a 12/2 listeroid and a 5/1 Lister with defective head, a STC5 and 4.4kw asynch. generator.

What is missing is the basement and the engine shed.

The main reason for this setup is the usage as a BHKW (BlockHeizKraftWerk). This means the heat produced by the engine is used as source for heating a building. I own a small house since two years and the setup is planned to be the main heating source run on SVO or WVO. The electricity is more or less a byproduct.

I hope you can understand this kind of english.


Waste Vegetable Oil / Re: Pics of your veggie fueled listeroid
« on: March 08, 2008, 07:51:37 PM »
Hi Shadow,

Thank you for the info.
But if I understand you right, you are putting power to the solenoid to shut off?
I just wanted the other way round. I'd like to have a solenoid cut from power to shut the engine off. And I don't want an electronic solution, just as simple as yours.

We here in Germany get paid for delivering (green) power into the power supply system. And when the grid goes down the engine has to be stopped automatically.
I just can't find a effordable solenoid that is strong enough for my solution.
Does such a door lock solenoid survive being constantly powered?


Waste Vegetable Oil / Shutoff system
« on: March 07, 2008, 02:19:48 PM »
Hi Shadow,

could you post some more detailed pictures of your shutoff system?
I'm very intereseted, because I thought about a similar system.

Thank you

« on: August 07, 2007, 08:17:25 AM »
Hi Mark,

sorry for the question but I'm not a native speaker.

Some explanations needed here.
The starting and stopping.
Both stopping and starting is done by the control panel. Stopping is achieved by the use of a solenoid that closes the rack. This allows the control panel to monitor coolant temperature and lubrication oil level. It also means the genset can be started and stopped by a timer or an inverter.


What do you mean by »closing the rack«? What is this rack thing?


« on: August 06, 2007, 09:20:41 PM »
Hi there!

How is the engine shut down? Is there just an electrical switched valve that cuts the fuel line before injection pump?

I see no mechanism that puts the valve lifter in decompression (start) position. So I think you have to put the engine in starting condition before starting manually, don't you?

Nice work anyway.


Listeroid Engines / Re: CENTRIFUGES
« on: July 02, 2007, 09:20:29 PM »
Hi all,

just for your information:



Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Weird original 5/1 head
« on: April 06, 2007, 10:08:18 PM »
I thank you all!

When I'm done, I'll post it here. Be patient it'll last a bit.


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Weird original 5/1 head
« on: April 05, 2007, 08:42:07 AM »
Hi Graham,

could you take a picutre of your »large fat o ring«. for me?

I think about cooling this engine in a kind of open hopper system with waste heat recovery, but the water line is above the cylinder head.
I'm a bit afraid the head could become a point of durable trouble.

How do you cool your system (low pressure)?

Are there original spares (heads) available anywhere?


Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Weird original 5/1 head
« on: April 04, 2007, 10:18:08 AM »

I now recognized that there are different heads made from Lister.
But I have a problem with this, because I wanted the engine to work in a closed cooling system. How should I seal the upper end against pressure in the water system?
Was there anything to convert this wet injector type head to the later manufactured type?


Original Lister Cs Engines / Weird original 5/1 head
« on: April 03, 2007, 02:13:16 PM »
Hallo guys,

I'm now the happy owner of an original CS 5/1.
While repairing it - because restoring would be the wrong word with my competency - it came to day that I have bought a lister with a strange head.

The injector is in direct contact with the cooling water. There is no cast iron tube (right words?) around the injector.
Have there ever been manufactured original listers like that? I think it is build in 1933/34 and sold in Belgium.
I've uploaded some pictures and a sketch to coppermine where I marked the missing cast.


What do you advice me to do with that head? Replacing?

Thanks a lot.

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