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So i wondered if i could put together something to put in the WOK, if i can get some help to find those golden numbers, ball park figures in old posts here... I mean how did the guys do it if they didnt have some spec to go off ?

That would be brilliant! Happy to add your experiences to the WoK!

A kind soul on this forum, who's name temporarily escapes me, sent me a copy of the 6/1 manual... which I've been meaning to scan and upload for ages... I *will* get around to it one day, promise! That might have useful info like head bolt torque settings. I assume they're the same on the 6/1 vs 12/2, you just have to do twice as many for the bigger engine!

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I can't see any reason why not. It's still petrol, just distilled differently.

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: 10/1 Lister Engine for Sale
« on: October 27, 2025, 04:29:01 PM »
It was so long ago now, I don't remember.

I do remember loading all of the ones I'd collected (about a dozen ish) on the back of the truck and trundling them up to a guy called Mark in Derby, who was building the stillages and loading them into the container. After that, I don't really recall what happened... I believe it got there eventually!

Just to give you an idea of how poor the market is now, a 12/2 in running (smoky) order sold this last weekend for £557.19 (maybe US$650). 10 years ago you'd have just barely got a 6/1 for that price, and 10 years before that you'd maybe have got a rusty nail at best.

Problem is, there's almost none up for sale at any one time these days. A quick search shows 5 engines for sale on eBay UK: The most expensive is a "show queen" paint job/trailer for £1230, the cheapest is an 8/1 that looks complete but is described as "parts only" for a little over £400.

The £1,230 one has been hanging around for months. Not sure about the others as I'm no longer buying/selling them - I'm keeping my 1950 engine which currently has a Chinesium ST type head on it. I have a 3-phase alternator I want to use in its place, but it needs gearing up to spin at 3600, and the car starter motor/flex plate I currently have mounted on the ST head pulley doesn't really turn it fast enough to reliably get it going.

Anyway... long story short: The market is, currently at least, gone for these old engines. I hope it comes back, because they're fantastic to listen to and use, but realistically, if you want off-grid or backup power these days, you buy solar panels/a wind turbine, some inverters and batteries, and you're done.

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Its a shame as there are clearly some knowledgeable people on here about these amazing engines.
If we dont share the knowledge then it will start to get lost and then these engines will start dying out over the coming decades and to me that is a real shame, some of the greatest years in engineering history will be lost.

This forum is a bit like that; it feels like you're just talking to yourself.

I am only just beginning my Lister journey, otherwise I'd totally chip in some info.

Have you tried some Facebook groups? FB seems to have pretty much killed forums such as this one.

This forum used to be more active; but, sadly, about 18 years ago it went through a really rough patch with its host, which resulted in days, then weeks, then months of downtime. Many of the "old guard" lost interest and stopped posting. It took 12 years to get back to any decent level of posting, then covid happened and it all went south again.

In the USA (always the main focus & membership of this forum, despite it being named after a quintessentially British engine company) the EPA basically killed off the supply of "Listeroids" and Changfas and Redstones (Blackstone copies), which I think has taken a lot of steam out of the "off-grid living" and combined heat/power that attracted people to the Lister engines in the first place.

So yeah, sadly, as a resource, this place is not what it used to be. But there's still a great wealth and depth of knowledge... it just might not surface as often as you'd hope.


Also, those 2-cyl CS engines are like rocking horse sh*t - as in, rare as. So knowledge of those is impressively thin on the ground; I believe there are one or two contributors here with experience of them, but they are in different timezones to the UK/Portugal, so you may have to wait a bit for a reply. Also, like me, they may be mad busy elsewhere... so only get chance to check in periodically.

@VP - no plans to kick people out. We've had thankfully few properly disruptive members, most of them went away of their own accord, some did indeed need to be gently kicked up the arse and be told not to ever darken our doors again...

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Generators / Re: Starting startomatic without the switchgear box
« on: October 10, 2025, 09:36:46 AM »
Hi - I have an SR2 without the correct wall mounted switchgear box.  I want to be able to start it automatically from the house (getting old).  I don't require the original startomatic function (there's never a time when something isn't turned on) but need to be able to start the generator when my batteries get low.   I have worked out that if you feed the positive battery connection to the starter contactor it turns the engine via the generator.  It will start if the fuel control solenoid has been energised .  Do i need anything more than a push button to momentarily operate the starter contactor and a latching switch to operate the fuel control solenoid?

If your engine will turn over without decompression - then that sounds about right. I'd use automotive (truck, if you're on 24v, car if you're on 12v) relays, have switches as you describe. That way you can presumably shut it off by simply switching off the fuel solenoid.

The CS Start-o-matic had a mechanically linked fuel rack/decompression lever arm, operated by a solenoid. I don't know if the ST does the same? But, if the fuel solenoid definitely pushes the rack shut when de-energised, then you should be good to go fully remote... just don't forget to change the oil & check the fuel levels occasionally!

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: New member with a cs
« on: September 22, 2025, 08:51:35 PM »
Hi all,

My name is Rob and im from Holland.

I recently bought a cs 5/1-6/1 , and was wondering what year it was build (should be 1936) and what 'spec' means on the id tag incl the numbers behind it.

Hi Rob,

You are correct, yours is a mid-1936 engine, roughly from the middle of the year.

I'm not entirely sure how to decode the spec number I'm afraid - it's purpose is to tell Lister what parts are fitted to your engine should you need replacements. Obviously the spec changed over the years, as aspects of the engine were improved.

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Dursleys doesn't have any bearing but only bushes... and mains are babbitt.

You can buy the crankshaft bushings: https://www.stationaryengineparts.com/lister-cs-crankshaft-bearing-parts

They describe them as "white metal" - is that babbitt? At least you don't need to pour it in place...

Big ends are standard split bearings. I'm guessing the little end is a bronze bushing, but that appears to be unobtanium.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 3/1 CS Restoration
« on: September 16, 2025, 09:13:15 AM »
Who can tell me about the function of this device?

Looks like maybe a water pump cover? Although it's hard to tell from the closeup - doesn't look like anything I've seen on a single. Where did it come from, on the engine?

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Camshaft comparison: Dursley vs Rajkot
« on: September 15, 2025, 11:49:22 AM »
Sounds like it may be something they identified and changed along the way in earlier years of production. The earliest CS I have been into was a 1952. I'm not sure what year exactly Lister went from the 4 digit part numbers to the hyphonated 5-6-7 digit part numbers, I feel like it was mid to late 40's to the 5 digit and then they kept adding another digit every decade or so.

The hyphenated style was quite late (1970s? Maybe even 1980s). The straight incrementing number survived until 1952, when they went to the No|Type|Rotation|Year style (but no hyphens).

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Location is Central Ohio

Damnit! I'd love a Changfa.... not that I have any actual use for one... Just returned from another trip to China, and they're getting rarer over there now, I only heard maybe half a dozen (if that) in tractors, and none in "stationary" use this time.

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General Discussion / Re: HOWTO: Post pictures in the forum
« on: September 15, 2025, 11:41:00 AM »
I guess it did work......Just could not see it in the preview.
Success then!!
Cheers
Hugh

Yeah... it doesn't actually upload until you hit Post... so it won't show in the preview...

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: New to the Forum with a CS 12-2 in Portugal
« on: September 09, 2025, 06:46:57 PM »
Ooh, I'm envious! Both of your living in Portugal, and the bonus of finding a working 12/2 there AND it still doing it's job to this day!

The picture of the serial number, though, says this is definitely not the original engine that your old time neighbour used....  It's a 1963 engine.

The serial no. breaks down as: No. 405, type 12/2, built in "13" + 1950 = '63.

Quite possibly the original engine was a 6/1 or 8/1 single, which was replaced with the 12/2 when its crank broke - that'd be my theory anyway.

Gaskets - you should be fine buying new gaskets, injectors, etc. from Stationary Engine Parts. There's a lot of crossover between the 6/1 and 12/2  (which is, mostly, 2 6/1s stuck together). Obviously the crank will be unique, there's probably other unique parts too, although I have no experience of the twins, so I couldn't tell you what - other than the crank & exhaust manifold... Possibly the flywheels - but, with luck, you won't need to touch any of that.

If you really did find bearing material in the sump, though, you will definitely need to investigate all the bearings. If it's from the little end, that should (I guess!) be the same a the 6/1; the big end I don't know. They're not poured babbet though (not in 1963), so at least you don't have that worry! You do need to determine if you need oversized bearings though...

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 3/1 CS Restoration
« on: September 07, 2025, 05:27:11 PM »
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BTW, do you have a Dutch surname? I suspect it is the same as mine.

Nope! Mine's about as British as they come - Vickers (originating from being servants to the Vicar; more recently known for tanks, guns and aircraft...)

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: 3/1 CS Restoration
« on: September 06, 2025, 04:54:54 PM »
BTW, I am not sure of the build date for this motor. I tried to understand the logic behind the serial number, but I failed. I *think* it might be about 1935 but I'm not sure.

Hi Pete,

No, you didn't fail - that is indeed a 1935 motor - quite an early one too! The first S/N built in 1935 was 13902 - and the last was 18344 (i.e. 4,442 engines in total). Yours would be the 77th built that year, which would likely mean it was built towards the end of the 1st week of January of that year!

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General Discussion / Re: HOWTO: Post pictures in the forum
« on: September 06, 2025, 04:42:43 PM »
I'm not sure what happened with the LEF Gallery. I used to upload the photos there and link them to my forum posts but that stopped working a few years ago, or I forgot how to do it. The above method seems to work as long as the files aren't massive.

Which LEF gallery are you talking about?

The original LEF gallery was an entirely separate website run by one of the members - it's long since died and gone away.

I run Coppermine on the same server as LEF. It's a bit old and pants, but still remains about the best option I can find... It may be that which requires a "global password", which - if I remember where to find it/what it is - I'd be happy to pass on.

I've looked into other options more recently, but never found one that meets all of the requirements. I even started writing one myself, which would integrate directly into the forum; but work and some other projects mean I've not looked at it in quite some time. I might have another go with Claude Code (an AI) to help me, as I was starting to get bogged down in the weeds with my system.

Anyway; in the meantime; there's a couple of options:
 - Attach the images to the posts. Beware your EXIF data can do funny things to the rotation (see any of Sirpedrosa's posts, he seems to have particular angst with it)
- Upload it into Coppermine (https://listerengine.com/coppermine), then pick the appropriate display size & copy the link, paste it into your message with {img} tags. (use square brackets, not sqirrly ones like I did there). Or use the Img button - the tiny pic of the Mona Lisa, far left hand side of the button bar just above the emoji list, at the top of the message box.

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