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ISTM that interest in these old engine has dropped off here in the UK too. Show-ready engines are still selling for big money on eBay, but anything that looks like it needs work, seems to be getting sod all... which, given the shortage of shows last year + the fact many people were on government-mandated leave (furlough), seems to be a bit arse about face.... For sure, if I'd been furloughed, I'd have been doing all kinds of metalworking projects!

But, if you wanted water that was just "hot" in terms of, say, pre-heating a HWC or the like - then you're only playing with something like 55 degrees C.  And, if you kept the "cooling" water flowing so that there wasn't static water "sitting" and overheating - then the plumbing to heat water to that extent could be much much cruder - something that is the tech equivqalent of some i/2" copper pipe wound around some alloy tubing and slathered with high-temp silicone . . .

Totally agree - the reason I did machining was because I had a machine ;D If you're only looking for ~50įC or  so, and you're not in a big hurry, you can easily extract that from the cooling circuit, I had a surplus (insulated) indirect hot water tank I used for that purpose. IIRC, it took about 40-60 minutes with the engine loaded, to reach 50 degrees in my tank. This was only an experimental setup, I'd need to add diverters and a radiator to start shedding unwanted heat, something I never got around to.

The other reason I used a microbore pipe (rather than just a water jacket heat exchanger, for example) was speed: You get a small amount of very hot water very quickly The downside is you have to keep pumping cold water in, or risk pressurising any system in very short order. However, time and other constraints curtailed experiments, and I've never quite got back around to it.

Other Fuels / Re: Uk heating oul
« on: February 26, 2021, 01:35:50 PM »
Don't use it neat - it doesn't have any lubricity, so it'll cause massive wear in your injector pump in short order. However, mixed with diesel (not sure of the proportions, but I'd have thought 50:50 should be plenty), it will work fine.

I'm not sure if diesel & heating oil are properly miscible, so it may be that they separate into layers over time (an experiment in a jam-jar will prove the concept; if you get distinct layers forming, they're not miscible). In that case, it'll still work, but you'd want to mix small batches of fuel at a time, rather than just treating a whole barrel. In that case, it may also be worth setting up a valve so you can switch to diesel for startup/shutdown.

Generators / Re: 240 vs 220
« on: February 25, 2021, 10:12:39 AM »
Chances are, it won't mind. Mains powered appliances, in this day and age, are pretty forgiving of the input voltage - and even frequency - given the massive worldwide differences in voltages. The real giveaway will be the specification plate, if it has one; this should give a voltage range: 208-240 is apparently "standard" in the US, given the differences in how you get to your 200+ volt outlets. Technology Connections made a good video on how the US mains system works, and why some outlets are 208v and not 240v (or 220v).

Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Re: New Listeroids for sale
« on: February 16, 2021, 07:35:54 AM »
OK, I'm fed up with this thread. It's generated more heat than any other in recent times. The OP hasn't been here for 18 months, possibly because of all the shit he caught when - by all accounts - he was doing his best to improve the output of the Indian lister clone factories (or one of them, at least).

Since it appears it's unable to die of natural causes, I hereby pronounce it dead.

If anyone has any problems with this, please PM me in the first instance.

I started playing with an idea for my Lister 6-1 engine. I have some thick-wall aluminium tube of about exhaust size (no idea where it came from!), into which I cut an 10mm round groove using a form tool on the lathe. I wrapped some microbore copper pipe (the sort we use in the UK for central heating systems) into the groove. Filled it with water & fired up the engine. With a load on the engine, the water in the microbore pipe boiled in about 2-3 minutes IIRC. At the time, I didn't have any cladding over the pipe, so it was 50% exposed to air; nor did I have any thermal compound between the pipe and the aluminium tube to improve contact surface area; so I've no doubt the system could be hugely improved with very little extra effort.

I haven't gone any further with that experiment, but I've no doubt I could get a good supply of hot water from it; and it gets hot MUCH faster than the engine block. In fact, I'd be tempted to circulate the hot water through the block initially, until that gets up to temperature, before extracting the heat for personal use...

I'll take a couple of photos of the lash up later, if anyone's interested.

Hi all,

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General Discussion / Re: Glort gone awol
« on: January 09, 2021, 12:12:33 PM »
If anyone wants to get in touch with him, send me a PM with your e-mail address, and I'll forward it on to him.

General Discussion / Re: Canít get recently bought LD1 to start
« on: December 23, 2020, 01:18:50 AM »
Check the oil too - if the level's going up, then diesel's getting past the rings into the crank case - not ideal!

Can you roll it over compression easily? Can you hear hissing out of the intake or exhaust when you do so (the former would confirm poor compression, the latter would point towards the appropriate valve not seating correctly. No hissing could indicate stuck rings allowing compression to leak into the crank case.

No smoke could also indicate poor injection; if you remove the injector, and re-connect it to the high pressure line, do you get a fine mist when it injects, or a solid stream of fuel, or "blobby"/sputtering injection? (Be very careful not to have the tip of the injector near your person - it WILL inject diesel through skin, leading to all sorts of Bad Things happening...) You want to see a fine mist.

Something else to try, is to put your hand over the intake when cranking it. Can you feel suction on the intake stroke?

I'm pretty much out of ideas now :)

Listeroid Engines / Re: Unloading a Listeroid the Indian way
« on: December 21, 2020, 08:31:47 AM »
Two things about that video:

1) I feel there was more horsepower in the back of that van than there was in the front  ;D

2) The unloading method was considerably less violent than I was expecting! In fact, if you ignore the fact that the cross-bar on the back looked far too flimsy, the engine was remarkably well chained up for it's descent to earth...

I'm sure I wasn't the only one expecting them to lash the engine to a tree, or something, then drive the van out from under it...

General Discussion / Re: Canít get recently bought LD1 to start
« on: December 21, 2020, 08:21:45 AM »
Are you getting any kind of smoke out of it at all? White smoke would indicate partial combustion, and is a good indicator of low compression as Mike suggests. Definitely sounds like the exhaust valve needs cleaning up.

I have an LD1 here (in bits, right now) which needed spinning FAST to make it start; and when it did go, it produced some spectacular clag until it got up to speed. Chances are, if it's done service as a cement mixer engine, it's going to be pretty well worn. Nothing that some new rings, maybe a bore hone (if it's not a chromed bore), and some valve fettling wouldn't resolve.


You didn't get the challenge, so here it goes: The chain I got it from bijou store, can you believe that?

If you dont have a dog... a cat will get it!

Haha - Nice bit of lateral thinking there... I think the original is brass (not sure), but I don't suppose it matters what it is, so long as it doesn't go rusty... more of a problem in our wonderful English climate than yours I suspect!

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Resurrection of a Lister 12/2
« on: December 15, 2020, 04:53:17 PM »
Good man!

I did find my tank (eventually...), but it's still half full of diesel & I've not had chance to get it all out, apart & cleaned...

General Discussion / A Book Club, of sorts...
« on: December 10, 2020, 09:24:06 PM »
Evening all!

IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ: You'll notice there's a poll on this post. Please, once you've read this message, take a few seconds to choose one of the options. I've put the "I don't care" option right at the top, so if you decide you're not interested, you don't need to read all the message, bit please DO click that one & submit your vote, that feedback is also highly valuable to me!

The poll will run for 30 days (until January 8th I guess, or thereabouts), and the results will be automatically shown after that.

Your vote is anonymous (well, I *could* dig around in the database and find out who voted which way I guess, but no-one else can), so please don't feel under any pressure to "follow the crowd".


A while ago, there was some discussion about a document repository for engine manuals, particularly Listers (obviously), but also covering other engines such as Petters, perhaps Wittes and Arrow and similar.

Around the same time, maybe a bit later, a spammer got in and tried to trash the WOK board. I locked that down at that point, and whilst a couple of threads have been suggested as "WOK" worthy, the problem with saving threads is, they tend to drift around, go off topic, sometimes end in arguments, or the original poster never comes back with updates, or etcetera.... all of which means threads end up IMHO not really being worthy of WOK after all...


So - having been giving the matter some thought, I'd like to propose a partial solution. It does, however, require some volunteers (I volunteer myself, with what little time I have, but I'm going to need help with running it). I'll do all the setup, and I'm going to try to integrate it into the forum's member system, so we don't have to register/sign in on two sites (Coppermine, I'm looking at you...).

My plan is to install some Wiki software. Kind of like Wikipedia, but the one I was specifically looking at is called BookStack. This uses a Bookshelf/Book/Chapters/Pages paradigm for sorting documents ("pages"). So, for example, we can group stuff together into engine types, and/or task type, and/or whatever. I believe (going on memory now) that a "page" can appear in multiple "books" - e.g. if someone wrote up an article on how to grind the valves for a Lister CS; this could be in a "book" about the Lister CS; as well as a "book" covering general engine maintenance (of course, we wouldn't need that actual document - everyone knows you just leave the casting sand inside the cylinder & let the engine grind it's own valves!  ;D)

We can also scan and/or re-type actual engine manuals, and add them to the library. Over time, the hope is that we can build a properly valuable resource for the owners of the various engines which get discussed here in the forums, especially as it seems likely that diesel will be in ever shorter supply in the future, as the world turns to electric transport...

Now.... if you were reading carefully, a couple of phrases might have jumped out at you above: "if someone wrote up an article..." and "scanned and/or re-type".... Yeah, this is going to involve actual work. It's also going to require people to voluntarily allow copyright to belong to LEF (or, at least, rights to publish in perpetuity), write-ups that they've done. This is a big ask, and it's my hope that you, dear reader, will consent to this should you be able and willing to write up maintenance and modification procedures for these engines, their ancilleries, and so on. Again, my thinking is we'll end up with a body of work which covers as much of the experience of buying, owning, running, maintaining and modifying engines as possible.

Now.... the next question is: Who gets access, how, and so on.... IMHO: Some of the content can be made publicly available. e.g. a document on how to date your Lister engine (and/or your Petter, Blackstone, Witte, Arrow etc.) Other stuff, e.g. a complete Haynes-style manual on a Lister CS Single complete with painstakingly drawn diagrams, is probably worthy of requiring actual monetary payment (with compensation going back to the author, just like a real book). In between that, there's probably scope for a number of smaller articles (how to grind valves WITHOUT casting sand, for example), which could be free to LEF members, but not available to casual visitors. Or something; I don't pretend to have all (or even any!) of the answers...

So.... over to you Dear Reader. In particular, I'd love your feedback on:
 - Do you like the idea?
 - Would you be willing to contribute towards "free" pages, i.e. no remuneration?
 - Would you be willing to write "paid-for" pages, with most of the money earned going back to you?
 - If we gather enough material to produce an actual honest-to-got print book, would that whet your appetite?
 - Do you think the whole thing's barmy and we should do X-Y-Z instead?

Currently, I have no more invested in this than a couple of hours playing around with BookStack. I like it's style of organisation and indexing (waaay better than most Wikis which rely on manually maintained contents pages), and IMHO - with enough participation - we could build something we can all be really proud of in the years to come.

So, gents, you thoughts please!

Also, if you got this far, now might be a great time to choose your answer in the poll, if you didn't already. You can change your vote any time up until the expiry date, so if you get persuaded a different way by any of the answers below this, assuming/when there are any, then don't worry! You're not tied to your first choice. Thanks!

PS: I'm open to alternative suggestions too, and tweaks, or wholesale changes to what I've outlined above. Please do share your ideas.

Thanks again.

Lister Based Generators / Re: Lister Start-O-Matic manual
« on: December 10, 2020, 02:17:52 PM »
Unfortunately Peter died a while back (can't remember if it was last year or the year before), and I guess his website has now completely gone.

If anyone downloaded it, Please send me a copy too and I'll make it available on this site for download.

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