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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: New CS released
« on: April 02, 2008, 10:48:11 AM »
Lowgear, have you ever heard of stop digging the hole?

Your facts are incorrect and sources from quoting web sites are incorrect. The Republic of Ireland did not gain its independance from Britain until after the date on your Titanic link.

I dont about your choice of words or who your father was, or your bastard reference Twist and spin what you will but you spoilt the threads intentions and let your own adgenda and then you try and shift the topic when you were and still are out of line. I have no interest in the Titanic, where its steel came from, what nationality the workers were or what cars were made by De Lorean.

You owe me an apology for your remarks, in public, right here, like any decent man would do.

Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: New CS released
« on: April 01, 2008, 09:35:18 PM »
Lowgear, this post was a joke in case you didnt get it. April 1st ring any bells with you?

The irish had nothing to do with the Titanic or De Lorean, but of which were manufactured on British soil and under British rule. If you want to post a reply, at least keep to the topic and dont spoil the thread with your ignorance. In Northern Ireland live British citizens in six counties, and south of the border live Irish citizens in the Republic of Ireland in 26 counties.

I am sure most of the people from Canadia would not like to be called American...or vice versa!

A map will help you, just dont buy one on April 1st.

Original Lister Cs Engines / New CS released
« on: April 01, 2008, 11:39:26 AM »
Thought you'd all like to hear Lister are releasing the CSMF. Its a CS Multi Fuel engine. Based on the old CS design it has a 4 vlave head, spark plug and burns petrol, diesel, kerosene and gas. A little like the military engines. Could be a wise move with the price of fuel now and the engine is going for EPA emissions testing too.

It will start at 8HP single and end at 18HP single and then start at 16HP twin and end at 36HP twin, all rated at 650RPM. Bosch have a new injector and there is a revised oil filtration system comprising of external spin on oil filters and a small pump that allows it remove engine oil while running and draw in fresh oil to extend service times. Just like the marine engines.

Will pass on more as I hear it.


Engines / Re: Feelin stoopid this morning... (dinged my crank journal)
« on: March 31, 2008, 10:41:09 AM »
Doug, if the scratch is not too bad or deep, a rub of finishing oil for solid wood floors will sometimes hide/partially hide the damage.

Listeroid Engines / Re: 650 rpm vs 1000 rpm
« on: March 29, 2008, 05:15:17 PM »
There was talk of what engines used certain part number pumps, it may be here some place or a search via google might get it.

From memory I think the engines about 8HP and 16HP twin used a different pump.

Generators / Re: BS or not?
« on: March 29, 2008, 05:09:06 PM »
smells a bit.

General Discussion / Re: Thinking about a Listeroid 3/1
« on: March 27, 2008, 09:54:21 PM »
I dont think it makes sense to make a 3HP oid. For one reason alone is getting parts. Nobody stocks them and you would have to buy in spares and service parts in bulk. It would make better sense to buy a 6HP oid and you will have several suppliers stocking spares in several countries.

If you want to try a different engine, look at the Changfa engines. The smallest they have with balancer shafts is the 12HP model and I know owners who have 6000+ hours up on them now with zero problems. The price is pretty good too and plenty spares around. Yanmar and Kubota also make the same type engine, but you wont see many of them in the west. They are for Asian and Australian markets.

I will buy a Changfa this summer and run it with my CS and see how it works out. It is an engine I have long been curious about and there are no horror stories about them online, whereas bad oid tales are plentiful.

General Discussion / Re: Thinking about a Listeroid 3/1
« on: March 27, 2008, 04:08:43 PM »
It is very hard to get parts for the 3HP CS now, not much is shared between it and its bigger brother. Got for a 6HP CS as parts are plentiful and genuine new parts are still to be had if you want to pay the premium for top notch parts.

Average price for a running 6HP CS in UK is 500 UK pounds, add in shipping and that turns most people off. It gets expensive real fast!

General Discussion / Re: Sand in the sump of your Jag?
« on: March 27, 2008, 03:20:35 PM »
I saw that mentioned on the BBC and is I hope a wise move, the TATA stuff has a good reputation and they do like plain jane honest engines out there with no electrics. It would be nice if they re-introduced the 300tdi engine and help keep it alive a little longer. The TD5 and Transit engine have not been loved in far away places for reasons of bush servicing and the potential for water damage to stop you in your tracks.

My trusty old Defender is getting a major renovation this summer down to the last nut n bolt. She is a keeper and has never let me down.

General Discussion / Re: Thinking about a Listeroid 3/1
« on: March 27, 2008, 03:16:45 PM »
I believe Kissan Iron in India make Oids less than 6HP.

Or look for a petter diesel from a cement mixer or small dumper. Very common on this side of the atlantic and at the moment there is one on ebay in the UK for 55 UK pounds and no bits. It is air cooled.

The most practical post was the use an alternator to charge batteries and then use a large UPS.

Induction motors, caps, power factor....all things to complicate matters and cause problems in the future. Be there done that, ran away.

Generators / Re: ST vs Marathon head
« on: March 26, 2008, 09:46:52 AM »
And dont forget two pole alternators no matter who manufacturers them are or what technology they use, even PMG do not have the smooth rotation of a dynamically balanced four rotor pole alternator. There is uneven heating in the rotor which is the cause for this and no sales man can tell you otherwise....if they even know what it means.

I looked at the Lima range you mentioned and saw nothing there to make me buy one. Its a cheaper model by the looks of it. Flashing the field is mentioned in their service manual so it is like an ST. They use a rotating rectifier unlike the ST, and thats something I see fail more often in that type of design. Otherwise its basis is that of the ST.

Generators / Re: ST vs Marathon head
« on: March 25, 2008, 06:59:40 PM »
Hey Craig,

Any single cylinder engine will cause flicker, its not the fault of the alternator. Choosing a more expensive model wont solve that problem. A modern alternator such as a brushless type from Marathon, Leroy Somer, Stamford and so on will all have a cleaner wave form (THD) because they do not have windings which enhance the thrid harmonic. Many blame the AVR for poor performance on the ST, however the stator windings are the root cause and without harmmonics there is no output.

Once the RPM of the alternator slows down, so does the frequency and voltage and the single cylinder engine has less time to keep the RPM of the alternator where it ought to be. Engine governor is another factor but I dont want to go off topic for you.

If money was not holding the wallet strings I would choose a PMG first, brushless second choice.

« on: February 24, 2008, 11:45:09 AM »

Generators / Re: ST sinewave distortion figure
« on: February 14, 2008, 07:23:03 PM »
Most of the mil electrical stuff I have laid hands on was all 24VDC and that too is a relatively easy voltage to change an ST alternator for, but as the starter motor on these few home brew gensets are 12VDC its best to stick to whats available.

Heat buildup will happen if too much current is drawn and a current limiting setup would cure that. I dont want to introduce lots of electronics here and if possible make a few alternations to whats already there and clean up the sinewave to whatever final outcome happens as a result. Not to mention the legal can of worms that is opened when new controls are introduced. The owners themselves can decide on deep they want to get into these.

PMG is best for this althought the prime mover sets the output voltage and a guy would want a very well behaved governor. I costed up building a direct drive model for a CS and the thing would be big, and costly on magnets and copper wire if it is built to a high standard. A 1500RPM PMG would also be expensive, although less so over a <700RPM unit. Both would still cost more than an ST alternator, even a well manufactured and high quality item.

The old addage holds true, you get what you pay for.


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