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Listeroid Engines / Re: How to autostart a CS 6/1?
« on: January 17, 2007, 04:20:50 PM »
Appreciate the info on the motor-gen. The small pulley gave you more torque but not enough rpm/momentum.

Did you try increasing the voltage momentarily? It would heat the thing up but may work for short intervals. Two small 12V batteries with a series start-circuit and a parallel charge-circuit. Wonder how long it would stand a shot of 24volts.....

If I ever try it I will post. Thanks JT.

Listeroid Engines / Re: Its ALIVE!!
« on: January 17, 2007, 03:58:11 PM »

I have my components; a 10/1 and 7.5KW Powersolutions with an 11" pulley so it will be running just like yours. Still crated.  Lately was thinking about 850-900rpm using a 9.5"(approx) pulley would be better. I thought it would increase reliability and reduce noise but loosing a kilowatt or a bit more in output is a tough choice.

Sometimes wonder how it would do at 650rpm but there is a relationship between mass, rpm and flywheel diameter that may limit how slow you can run it effectively. I wish I knew how to figure out mathematically.

Might just buy an additional pulley to have the option and save fuel when using it for smaller loads.


Listeroid Engines / Re: How to autostart a CS 6/1?
« on: January 16, 2007, 07:02:38 PM »
The original SOM had a DC motor built into the gen head that was energized for starting, but impractical to build into our ST heads as discussed in other threads.

I heard it suggested but has anyone actually tried one of those motor-generators from a cub-cadet or similar tractor as a starter? I was thinking of incorporating it into the main serpentine belt or adding an additional pulley to the ST head.

Is that a dumb idea? Any thoughts?

Listeroid Engines / Re: How to autostart a CS 6/1?
« on: January 16, 2007, 07:02:03 PM »
The original SOM had a DC motor built into the gen head that was energized for starting, but impractical to build into our ST heads as discussed in other threads.

I heard it suggested but has anyone actually tried one of those motor-generators from a cub-cadet or similar tractor as a starter? I was thinking of incorporating it into the main serpentine belt or adding an additional pulley to the ST head.

Is that a dumb idea? Any thoughts?

Listeroid Engines / Re: Its ALIVE!!
« on: January 16, 2007, 03:10:31 PM »

Have you decided what RPM you will be running your 10/1?

General Discussion / Happy New year everyone!
« on: December 31, 2006, 09:32:00 PM »
Have a great eve celebrating and new year everyone. Been away, looking forward to spending more time on the board next year.

Listeroid Engines / Re: GTC 10/1 Installation Pics
« on: December 18, 2006, 04:37:16 PM »
Great website, not many who would go through the trouble to post this valuable information for us. During teardown for the head gasket, I was suprised to hear you did not find any sand, this may indicate the Indian manufacturers might be hearing the complaints. Did your engine come with plain bearings or TRB's?
The manuals are helpful, thanks. Funny how the Lister manual mentions both foundation mounting and portable models but the GTC manual only mentions foundation mounts. Fuel for debate I guess.

General Discussion / Re: Everyone should watch this movie
« on: December 15, 2006, 10:16:13 PM »
No matter what side of the issues you are on, most of us here agree there is some sort of economic correction coming. I think you will have little time to react. No matter how prepared you are, will you have every piece of the puzzle covered by then?

The governments and corporations already know what's ahead. They are just vying for positions. So you see the two views presented and do your research and pick one. We argue, theorize and try to persuade one another what the truth really is and we stay divided. Debt ridden. Weak. Unarmed (but safer, right?). No matter, it will happen anyway regardless of what you believe or how well prepared you are.

The self reliant may only be delaying the inevitable because unless you live on an island you will eventually get a visit from the surrounding population requiring you to share, flee or fight to the death. 

So chill. Do your thing. Live for today and enjoy every minute. You are living in the good old days.

General Discussion / Re: it just struck me
« on: December 13, 2006, 10:53:23 PM »
Great posts everyone. A few additional thoughts:  Grid power where grid access exists will always be cheap until that fateful day when energy gets tight. At that point we will get squeezed hard, but just to the brink of bankruptcy. Or perhaps just squeezed periodically to boost profits. Wouldn't want the customer to go under now would they? But Carbon rationing......they're getting more and more creative every day.

Listeroids gensets are serious machines and can deliver some power. Dangerous, difficult, primitive, simple, long lasting and appealing to those on the board. We are all here for a reason. We will all buy our products somewhere. Did we fall for a scheme? Maybe some did. Most probably not.

On a direct comparison of return on investment it does not look like you will ever get your money back but you also need to consider, what is your freedom to produce energy "at will" worth? To produce it reliably for extended periods? How much is it worth to have power when someone else says no, or a disaster cuts off the grid? How much is it worth to know that your freezers full of food for your young family will not spoil? Alot to me, to someone else not much perhaps. Self reliance = peace of mind, regardless of the extra cost, if you have the means to afford it, the mind to understand how to make it work and the skills to put it all together.

The thing that sucks and never stops growing is the plethora of laws and regulations that will soon have you so tightly bound it will be over before you even have a chance to say "what the hell was..."

I think we can at least slow it down by speaking up a little. When you hear someone using junk science to justify conserving our way out of a non-existant crisis, challenge them.

Remember Freon (dichlorotrifloromethane, I think)? Boils at -40 deg F at atmospheric pressure. One of the best refridgerants around. Gone in less than a year because it was named an ozone depleter and blamed for global warming. Now we are stuck with R134, less efficient, higher pressures, uses more energy to do the same job.

The one that yells loudest stands on the weakest foundations. Challenge them.

General Discussion / Re: seeking an answer...
« on: November 28, 2006, 03:13:44 PM »
Bob, I did not see a variable in the formula for the density of the concrete and it's probably an average figured in as a constant. Just curious, and you don't have to give any secret equations but if you changed the density of the block substance to something heavier, will the dimensions change? Could it make the block more compact?

General Discussion / Re: seeking an answer...
« on: November 27, 2006, 10:46:56 PM »
Lots of very successful people, creative in their own right have said: If you don't know the answer, surround yourself with those who can figure it out for you.

When Edison was asked to show his mathematical formulas on the theory of the electric light he replied something to the fact that he wasn't a mathematician, but an inventor. Inefficient perhaps but ultimately effective.

Use your mind according to it's unique talents. If you are incapable of doing the math, like myself don't let it stop you. You will eventually find the answer.

Thanks for the equations on the block, Bob.

Guy is a whiz and I read along as best I can. He is trying to teach a person to "fish" rather than just spout the answer. Even if he gave the answer to us, and the equations, would I be able to follow them and understand how he got to the answer? Maybe. Anyway, downloaded those PDF's (THANKS!) but I have small kids and little extra time. GF has one on the way. If he is like anyone else, he will be in the same boat soon.

Listeroid Engines / Re: LIster Engine EPA Regs
« on: November 16, 2006, 04:00:44 AM »
A $200 increase for total compliance seems like a reasonable fee to have peace of mind. Especially with the trouble and risks involved in dealing with the EPA. Even if you are totally compliant and they for some reason misunderstand or find an un-dotted i or un-crossed t you are in heap big trouble.
Mike, I believe you are talking about an engine that is ready to run, right out of the box. No sand, no remachining etc. Could be the best way to go for a guy who wants a minimum hassle. No, I didn't buy my engine from Mike but I would if I didn't have the ability or a shop to work in. Just my two cents.

Listeroid Engines / Re: belt movement
« on: November 10, 2006, 07:15:56 PM »
Anyone else using an idler? Assuming your alignment is good and the belt does not wander my thought was that the tensioner would keep the serpentine belt wrapped around more circumference of the generator pulley. The power is transmitted by friction, not tension yes? So you only need enough tension to drive the load any more will strain the belt and your bearings.

General Discussion / Re: Fiat economies - long - part 1
« on: November 03, 2006, 06:40:57 PM »
Connections.....there really is no escape folks.  I believe there will be a sustained period of wholesale suffering, perhaps mayhem and possibly even martial law in some areas, most of it brought on by a financial collapse. OK, so I want to get away before that happens right? Get some land, live off grid. As much as I like the idea, as soon as TSHTF you will become a target. You will not be able to live on your homestead when there are literally millions of broke homeless and starving masses pouring out of the cities in desperation looking for help. Help those you can, yes but many of them will also be criminals. OK, so you fight with your firearms and weapons to protect your property and family. If you succeed at holding off the first assault, the authorities will likely disarm you. Then it's only a matter of time.

So I quit thinking about it so much. I stay prepared as possible, do my job, support the family and stay out of debt. Between work and making sure the school doesn't screw up my kids education consumes every minute of time anyway. I just stay plain, blend in. No fancy home, no brand new leased vehicles etc. I bet my neighbors would be suprised if they knew my house was almost paid off.

It's not that it doesn't matter what you do now because it's all going to hell, but that because it's all going to hell it matters what you do now. More than ever.

General Discussion / Re: Fiat economies - long - part 1
« on: November 01, 2006, 07:53:34 PM »
Great wealth fosters greed and hinders ones sense of morality. We depend on our government to do it's job responsibly. People consumed by maintaining an artificially high standard of living fail to notice because they are infact running their personal finances the same way.

It is not only when the SHTF but how it will be dealt with. A poorly managed and corrupt government in power would have no trouble issuing laws limiting commerce and personal freedoms in exchange for stopping the suffering. Will we let it happen?

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