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Listeroid Engines / Re: Low oil temperature
« on: Today at 11:39:11 AM »
Over the years there have been many posts from users fretting over oil temps, water temps, oil filters etc etc etc. It is important for a user to remember two things. One, the reputation these engines have was built upon them used as shipped and operated with cool water jacket temps, cool old temps, inferior oil quality etc. And 2, A CS is an entirely different operation than a modern diesel and one should not universally apply modern engine wants and needs to the old CS.

I know of one CS that has pumped domestic water for as long as anyone alive can remember, not 24/7 of course but runs every day. it has a flow through cooling system thus it never gets luke warm and knowing who owns it id guess oil change intervals are measured in decades,, if ever. Moral of story is there is no need to over think a CS engine installation.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Low oil temperature
« on: November 25, 2020, 10:41:30 PM »
In these engines you are stuck with cool oil temps and the problems that creates. You will need to run either a lighter grade of oil or multi grade in cold weather. It's easier on your arm when starting and better for the engine also as cold tbick oil doesn't splash. Every engine that leaves my shop has 15W 40 in it.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Removing the camshaft CS6
« on: November 19, 2020, 12:09:57 AM »
Those are a #6 taper pin.  In the states I buy them from McMasrter Carr

Edit,
I am pretty sure they are #6 but don't rush to buy until I double check that

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Removing the camshaft CS6
« on: November 18, 2020, 11:55:22 AM »
Had I noticed your problem before you tried to remove it I could have offered good advise,, sorry.  The way to remove the taper pins is first be certain you know which end is the small end and solid support is needed under the lobe. With all that accomplished and drift in hand you give the pin a good hard whack to remove it. The common mistake are many light hits or flimsy support which serves to swell both the end of the pin and indeed in the bore making removal more difficult.  That being said not all is lost. Drilling, unless preformed in a precise manner is the last resort but a heating the lobe will almost always allow even a swelled pin to be punched out.

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Engines / Re: brass water drain tap
« on: November 18, 2020, 11:24:16 AM »
I agree with Cobbadog. On every Lister of that vintage the fittings, meaning plugs, taps, even some of the tube nuts are BSP. If set up for a sealing washer there will be an area machined flat around the threads and the tap will need BSPP threads and you need a seal washer. More likely it uses the tapered version or BSPT.

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Changfa Engines / Re: Changfa type parts
« on: November 14, 2020, 10:41:46 PM »
Try Masters Farm Supply. Not sure about the smaller ones bit they have a large amount of parts for the R195 and 1115 types.
http://www.mastersfarmsupply.com/contact-us.html

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New acquisition
« on: November 10, 2020, 11:05:30 AM »
Hi again, I run a very low profile operation. My email is on here or PM for phone number. The 10HP versions came in at least two bore sizes. 120MM and 127MM Head gaskets for all bore sizes are in stock, rings for most bore sizes in stock. The common valves are in stock as are all bearings, seals etc along with many major pieces, castings etc. Your stocking needs will vary with planned hours. 

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Listeroid Engines / Re: New acquisition
« on: November 10, 2020, 12:03:50 AM »
First off it cannot be a 6\1and 7KW as that is a little  over 9HP.  Bore  sizes vary in the higher HP versions as does the fuel pump , valve sizes , and some are direct  injection. IF the  engine isnt full of sand and was put together correctly BIG IFS, then few spare hard parts  are needed for  several  thousand  hours.  You need to figure out what you have.  You do need fuel filter elements and if you want things like rings,  bearings,  gaskets etc all that is in stock at my shop for most sizes.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Where to get 6/1 head gasket
« on: November 09, 2020, 10:55:26 AM »
Hmmm, I can't explain that either? He still advertises his buisiness at quite a few old engine sites?  I contacted John late in September and ordered 50 headgaskets for CS type 114.4 MM bore and 120mm India clones. He said no problem and 3 weeks they were here.

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Original Lister Cs Engines / Re: Seized govenor CS6
« on: November 08, 2020, 06:31:04 PM »
 simply make your own marks. Using a center punch mark on tooth on the idler and the teeth either side of it on the cam. Do not turn the engine as the marks you made will then  be useless. That being said you should be able to loosen things up with the cam in place with penetrant and gentile tapping

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Where to get 6/1 head gasket
« on: November 08, 2020, 06:23:02 PM »
Just bought quite a few 114.5mm  and 120MM bore head gaskets from them last month.  I think then O P was referring to the old cyber store that John's sister ran.

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Where to get 6/1 head gasket
« on: November 07, 2020, 08:24:32 PM »
When India decided that 5 studs was good enough instead of 7 they created an issue were as If everything isn't perfect the gasket will seep. I have used the Gaskets To Go head gaskets for 10 years with no complaints.  I personally have never seen a head that was flat after being torqued down over excessive sleeve protrusion. Small seeps will soon plug up with rust , other wise pull it back apart and double check the head and sleeve. A small amount of RTV around the water jacket slots both top and bottom of the gasket is good insurance on a 5 stud engine

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Lister Market Place (things for Sale) / Lister 6/1 for sale in USA
« on: November 02, 2020, 01:30:17 PM »
Soon to be completed 6/1 Lister for sale. Should be done late year. Total disassembly, corrected in every way possible way and assembled per Lister technical data sheet per new engine specifications, NOT wear tolerances.  New hard valve seats, new Lister valves,  reground crank, best quality bronze back rod bearing. Both ends of rod reconditioned, new iron piston, good Listard chrome bore etc, etc. Too much new to go on listing. Price finalized when completed, estimated price cheerfully offered via PM. 
 With  7 CS types and roids through the shop just his year, we know these engines and do them right,, or not at all

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Listeroid Engines / Re: Group order from India
« on: November 02, 2020, 12:20:06 PM »
Unless you are into high stakes gambling smuggling isn't realy a good option, if caught you lose everything you paid plus you get to pay customs to destroy it. Air compressor or parts kit is a far safer and legal means. With today's prices, freight, fees and duties I can usually put a person into a completely overhauled Lister CS for just a bit more than an India copy. So happens that I am going through a heavy flywheel 6/1 at this time, should be ready in a month,, shameless advertisement,,😁

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Listeroid Engines / Re: iron vs Aluminum piston weight
« on: November 01, 2020, 02:49:42 AM »
I don't have the figures but back when I was learning how to balance one of these engines I checked the off set weight in a Lister 6/1 spoked flywheel vs an 8/1 disk type and there was definately less offset weight in the 8/1 flywheel.  That being said a 6/1 with spoked flywheels will run very smoothly with an aluminum piston at 650 RPM but dereriates quickly above that.

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