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Slow Speed Diesel Engines => Changfa Engines => Topic started by: PhunniPharm on April 05, 2022, 04:00:33 PM
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I am talking to a couple of companies in China, and I think I have one of them sweet-talked into going on a little adventure with me.
I will fund the prototype and initial small production run of air compressor parts for their engines, and try to arrange to import air compressors. They will need to build air compressors for me, and pack them with the proper accessory kit.
What I want to know is, is there anyone still interested in buying Chinese air compressors?
I recently imported a couple of Laidong LD1115s that I will tinker with. One will be diesel-powered, and run my off-grid farm generator/inverter-generator. The other will probably be fitted with a spark plug and taught to huff wood gas. Maybe that turns into another kit some day.
I would be willing to set up a business, get all legal, and set up escrow accounts for pre-orders. After we hit a certain threshold, we can order a container load of air compressors. The old "Redstone" air compressors are still available, but they would have to be purchased a container-load at a time.
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Just for clarification:
Please build a wish-list here. Suggestions for brands and models, and so on.
My intent here is to start a little side business selling piston-type air compressors from various Chinese brands, and full lines of parts to support them.
I think North America will need the ability to pump air efficiently and reasonably inexpensively, in the very near future.
Thanks!
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What do you mean?
I hadn't seen anyone else posting a similar post, so not sure why this would not be welcome here.
If not welcome, have an admin delete it and I'll ne'er darken your doorstep again.
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I would love to own a Redstone, been waiting on one to pop up for sale for quite some time.
I own a 1115 LaiDong and its a great engine along with a range of Changfas
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I've been bit pretty hard by the bug, and started importing engines.
My wife's "Wheel Ox" tractor (Shenniu Bison 254) we bought at an auction crapped an engine on its way to its first job.
I needed to import a rack of NiFe batteries, so we added a couple of 2105 engines to the shipment, and a couple of LD1115s, and a little slant-cylinder air-cooled 60mm diesel, because it was cute. That'll run our Surge milker.
Now, I want to make sure we can still power stuff on the farm, and maybe cook a little water to load-test the generator, even if everything oil-based goes the way of the dodo. So, I want to build a good gasifier this summer.
My farm's paid off and my bills are low, and my paying job pays adequately. I could build a little warehouse for parts to mail-order, and be that little bit less dependent on my telecommuting job.
It seems to me there has to be a latent demand for air compressors. I can't be one of three or four people on the continent who dig on these things.
I'm still trying to get in touch with the Juling company, to find out the whole story on the Redstone engines. The trading company I worked with told me they require an MOQ of a full container. I'm not sure whether they would mix it up, and sell the JSD1800 and JSD3200 engines as a mixed lot. That will probably be the second set of compressor parts I would have prototyped, if there is enough interest here.
If there are any other boards like this one, where people similarly afflicted hang out, I'd love a few links. Most of the fora I've visited seem pretty dead or, in the case of the microcogen site, are broken and not able to process registrations. If there is enough interest, I intend to break down each engine model, or at least each engine family, and do a weights-and-measures number on it, with lots of pictures. Maybe I'll have my daughter reassemble the engine and crank it up, and make a video of that.
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i would be interested in a couple water cooled 165 aircompressors,
ones with 12volt drive motors mounted to the case would be really interesting.
always wanted a water cooled single cylinder aircompressor on the 165 size with a 12volt motor that drives the flywheel.
bob g
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Can the 165-sized water-cooled compressors be had with an electric drive unit?
I don't think I've seen those in my geeking, but it'd be worth a look!
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i don't know if i ever saw one with the "electric" motor option, if available i would love a couple of them... having said that i would take a couple of the 165 water cooled compressors without the "electric" option.
having a water cooled small compressor in my shop would be great, compress my air and heat water at the same time would be just great! save on having a separate water heater having to do the job, and we all know that with the price of electricity/propane and trying to reduce my carbon foot print by being able to harvest heat off the compressor should help save the planet.
wanna be green and all ya know
bob g
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Amen. It's just good common sense.
Permaculturists call it "stacking functions".
Pure efficiency. Hot water, compressed air. What's not to love?
I'm putting out feelers to see if I can find conversion parts to make a 165 into an electrically-driven compressor via the attached drive motor. Perhaps a flywheel and a bracket from a 170 model. I think I have seen a 170 that had the electric drive motor, and I know I have seen a 175 equipped that way. I don't know if there is a difference in dimensions or weights of the flywheels in a particular size range of compressor, and that's why I want to weigh and measure everything...
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I can source R165 air compressors with a built-in electric drive motor.
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What are they worth, to you? I intend to purchase one or two myself, when the rest of my stuff is bought and ready to ship, because that's just cool.
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MobileBob, if you jump up one size to the 175, they are a tougher unit.
They also have an oil pressure indicator that can be tapped for a gauge.
I did not think the 165's were available with electric start. ???
I would join in and order a couple of 175's, but I'm not within economical shipping range.
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Are these 165’s DI or IDI?
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I assume they are IDI, but I will have to ask the supplier who said they could get them.
I have found a fellow who runs an ag machines business, who is familiar with the engine market. He says he will help me get the compressor conversion parts prototyped, and help me to prove the pipeline. In turn, I will probably purchase all my single-cylinder low-efficiency air compressors from him.
I want at least one of the 165s in an electric start, too, if I can get one, because there is just something too cool about a little diesel that small. If not electric start, then I still want a crank-start one just because.
I have a couple of 175F air cooled air compressors already purchased, that I will figure out something to do with. I know I want one of them to run an old concrete mixer I have.
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I did not think the 165's were available with electric start. ???
One of the suppliers I talked to, the one I bought my Laidong engines from, said she could get R165 compressors with an integrated electric drive motor. She called this the R165M.
I am working to get my Chinese partner to show me a few compressors from the factory he is loosely associated with. These seem to be updated Yanmar clones, with integrated oil filter rigs and other features. I still want details and pictures. He says the workmanship and details on these engines are a "premium" brand for that factory.
He works loosely with Chang Xing engines, who have a high-line model they call Yang Man. These seem similar in form to Changmei's line "Yangmai" and Changfa's "Gold Crown" product lines, and look to be the commercial marine variant of these engine designs. They come in variants ranging up to 42hp or so, from a single cylinder.
When he provides pictures and details, I will share them here in the forum, if anyone is curious.
I intend to import a couple of compressors of this type. One, I will work with to put a spark plug in and convert to wood gas. I will feed pictures and video back to my Chinese connection, so he can advertise an alternative fuel option. Maybe we will design some production parts of that type together, too. :-) I have asked him to gather me a couple of parts for the R165 and 175F engines, for measurement and drawing.
The other one of these air compressors, I will sell to someone here, if they are interested.
It would be instructive to me, to find out what one of their premier "air compressors" is truly worth, in this market. The compressor itself will cost $X, plus $Y for shipping and handling, plus $Z to help me keep the lights on. The total of $X+$Y+$Z will still have to be attractive to customers, and $Z will have to be worthwhile. Not because I want to zap people for money, but because there is an opportunity cost, and time I would spend to bring these compressors in and get them ready for customers. I still need to break even, or the wife will say that we can't afford to build this small business.
If anyone has a CAD software package and an engine, and would like to donate a drawing of a simple plate, with dimensioned holes, that would cover the fuel pump port in the crank case, that would decrease my expense for turning out variant parts for different compressor models. Similarly, dimensioned drawings of an air take-off tube that would replace the injector and seal up in the same way, have facilities for securing it with the injector hold-down bolts, and have threads for a simple pipe cap on the other end of the tube, I could have parts produced from those drawings instead of having to pay to have drawings produced from parts I would purchase and send to another shop, to have measured. I'm happy to keep designs provided by folks here, as public domain.
I personally suffer from the delusion that Americans and others who happen to be situated here, will need access to small, efficient sources of ... compressed air ... in the near to mid-term future. This will be key to their survival, as they try to restart small-scale agriculture to keep themselves fed.
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One thing you may want to investigate is freight costs.
Shipping container prices from China have jumped from $12,000 to upwards of $30,000 per unit.
Then there is the shipping port costs, handling fees, and land transport to your location.
The good old days of cheap freight are gone.
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I'm well aware, believe me.
I just brought a set of NiFe batteries through customs last month.
Nothing cheap or easy. My freight has so far been LCL, which isn't so bad, somehow.
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https://www.alibaba.com/live/popular-products-customization_243013d8-e2f2-4098-b24c-23a44b546e39.html
Factory tour of the Changmei engine company.
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Wowzers
https://www.alibaba.com/live/popular-products-customization_243013d8-e2f2-4098-b24c-23a44b546e39.html
Factory tour of the Changmei engine company.
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Phunnipharm, watched the video, interesting. Any more updates? Would it be easier to make a short list of the engines to import? It looks like everyone wants a different engine. One guy wants one or two 165 engines. One more wants a 180. Three 195's etc etc. Might be simpler to say this is the list of what I am ordering 175's 185's and redstones if you can get them. Or what everyone can agree too. Or I am totally wrong, and it is not a problem to get whatever you want from your china supplier?
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great video, instills confidence doesn't it?
imagine building an engine up off the floor, a concrete floor at that, that actually looks like it is swept with some
regularity.
"ok, let's go"
my favorite quote
bob g
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I remember when you rolled your eyes at this guy before you edit your reply.. I think it was "here we go again" ::) Can you repost it as you were correct.. He has not logged back on in over 6 weeks.. I am not sure why people even bother to start threads like this. Same with the joker's who list items for sale then never return.
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I just had a feeling......I could be wrong, time will tell.
Yes, I agree, people come and go. I have met a handful of great people on this forum but
have seen a few flakes as well.
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Oh yes there are definately way more good people than flakes here. Great forum and super helpful guy's and gals. :)
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While I can't say for sure I wouldn't put these guys in the flake category. I can however about guess the thought process. Notice the the bulk of them are fairly new to this stuff. They discover these cool engines, contact China or India and find out Wow! if I can buy a 100 of these I can get them cheap. The big dissapointment comes when they can't find 6 people who want to buy them. Just as I have PMed most them and advised,, find out what the market is before you get in too deep, it ain't nearly what you think it is ???
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I think you called the shot on that Butch.
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It's quite possible alcohol or very strong coffee is involved with these bursts of motivational thinking. Peaters out pretty quickly.
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It's quite possible alcohol or very strong coffee is involved with these bursts of motivational thinking. Peaters out pretty quickly.
;D
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Okay... Not a flake.
I just got a supplier and a price on electric start R165s.
I can sell them for $220 plus shipping.
Are there any takers?
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And, yes. It would be much easier to work from a cogent list.
I know there was one guy looking for electric start R165s. I like that idea, too, just for the sake of novelty, if nothing else, so I am purchasing a couple of those for myself, in this shipment.
Post the engines you want, and I will ask several suppliers for a price. I'll set a date for payment (very soon, because I want to get my other goods soon) and we can figure out receipts and whatnot.
I am still working with a supplier to prototype air compressor parts. My guys were working the wheat harvest and providing machines for that, so were/are busy at the moment.
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:)
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I live in the great state of Montana.
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Excellent, keep us posted on sales figures and what all you're importing.
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Right now, I'm importing what someone wants and will pay for, up until about July 4, when I look to close out the shipment.
After that, the guy selling me jar lids by the 10,000s will pull together the other goods I've purchased and pointed in his direction, including Diesel engines, and get them into a container and put them on the water.
The time is now, if anyone is interested.
List desires here, and I will find out prices and post them up.
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Just a thought, might reach out on other platforms as well. Farcebook Marketplace perhaps?
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My current tally is:
2x Z175F air-cooled single cylinder engines, left from a previous shipment, for personal use on my little farm.
2x R165M electric-start water-cooled engines, because that's just freakin' cool. I'm sure I can find something to do with them.
1x SD1130 electric-start engine, if I can find one. Maybe a KM186, if I cannot. Not sure what I'll do with this one yet, except to tear it down and measure it up. Maybe wood-gas experimentation; will want a spare cylinder head...
I'm also asking about a couple more air-cooled engines, for other tasks and to have a hot spare.
That is probably all I will have money to import for myself, in this round. More engines of a given kind will mean small price breaks, so if there is any interest, add on.
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Just a thought, might reach out on other platforms as well. Farcebook Marketplace perhaps?
Is there a small diesel-focused group there, that would concentrate interest?
Just throwing something up on FB Marketplace probably would not draw the right eyes.
This forum seems to be the most active place on the Internet, at least that I can find, for people interested in these engines. That's why I'm here. :-)
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There is a Listeroid group. Little activity. Other various diesel engine groups, might do a search, join them and post your offering. There ARE folks out there that will be interested, and many that don't know what a Listeroid CS even is.
This group shows Changfa's down the page a bit
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3805026382868780/
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I made a post there. Thanks!
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I made a post there. Thanks!
You're welcome
And best of luck!
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Hi Keith,
There seem to be no twin flywheel engines available. The company that was making the "Redstone" engines (JSD1800 and JSD3200) says they are no longer making them.
Their target market was Afghanistan, and those folks switched to solar panels for most of their needs, or so their story goes. They suggested SD or LD engines.
If you're interested in picking up a 4-pole generator head, I'm sure it could ride along just fine. Have you done your shopping already?
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One question that has come to mind. ST 7.5 or ST10 THREE PHASE heads seem scarce, and the prices are a lot higher than 1 phase units. My interest is in obtaining a 3 phase unit for a reasonable price.
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Kinda of like the newer model 185 electric start, condenser style cooling.. ST10 single phase
I'll ask my suppliers what prices they can meet for 185 electric start engines. Are you interested in more than one engine, or do you need any spare parts while you're shopping?
I haven't bought a Chinese alternator (yet), and I'm not terribly familiar with that market. I've been looking around at it a little, because I'm seriously considering a unit I can play with to control the output voltage. If I rectify that voltage, I can dump the results directly into my NiFe bank. Any caveats you can offer, would be appreciated.
One of the supply houses is very interested in selling air compressors... :-)
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One of the supply houses is very interested in selling air compressors... :-) Does this supply house stock all the regular sizes 165-1130 ? Be alot easier to get them all from one warehouse I would imagine.
It is a pretty new contact for me, but yeah, the vendor who can lay hands on R165 electric start engines is the one currently showing interest in collaborating with me. The prices aren't bad, and she knocked off $100 on the price of a KM186 to meet another vendor's price. I'd feel bad if I didn't do what I could to purchase one, at least.
This supplier seems to handle engines from every manufacturer, and claims to stock a full line of spare parts for all of them. I'm testing that out a little, and grabbing a couple spares for my Laidongs. I'm going to torture one of those by feeding it wood gas, at some point. I want a sacrificial cylinder head, in case I want to try to install a spark plug. Not sure, really, how the head and injector are configured on the LDs, but I'll tear one down and measure it up soon, and make sure it's clean and ready to run. I've never laid actual eyes one one of these engines yet, so unboxing will be like Christmas in July.
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One more thing.. Have you seen the chinese 2105a-6 diesel engines? Looks kind of like a petteroid single flywheel. Water cooled, 1500 rpm, 24 horsepower and over 400kgs :o At less than half price of a 28/2 India made petteroid clone..
I've been drooling over those for a couple of years now. I have decided I will have at least one of these doing something on my homestead, even if I have to make an excuse, like "The neighbors will want someone to grind lots of flour for them, when SHTF, so I obviously need this engine and a flour mill in the machine shed." I'm totally in love with them... so insanely simple...
Unfortunately, S may have just HTF, so I'm trying to get stuff out of China as soon as possible before we stumble into a war with them.
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I will pm my shopping list to you if that is ok..
Cool.
From what I read there are 10 horror storys for every success story.
That sounds like a totally familiar story.
If searching does not come up with your answer's, start a new thread and ask some questions. Lot's of smart help here.
I'll search and ask, but heck, if I get busy with paying work and don't post for a few weeks, am I gonna be hailed as a flake?
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I think I've found a source for electric start SD1130s, for immediate shipment.
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One more thing.. Have you seen the chinese 2105a-6 diesel engines? Looks kind of like a petteroid single flywheel. Water cooled, 1500 rpm, 24 horsepower and over 400kgs :o At less than half price of a 28/2 India made petteroid clone..
It just now dawned on me... Did you want me to try to find one of these available as a single?
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The supply house I'm working most with at the moment, also sells alternators. They have 10kw single- and three-phase units, as well as larger (and probably smaller) units.
If you are interested in talking alternators with them, I'll gladly put you in touch. I've got nothing to hide... Hah...
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I was wrong. That supply house offers pre-built generators, not ST alternator heads.
But, if you want to buy an alternator, it's welcome to ride over with my stuff and I'll drop stuff at Fastenal or UPS to make the rest of the journey.
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https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/More-economical-marine-diesel-engine-Single_1600230676619.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.4ae6428buH9Tsr... Scroll about half way down to see the engine specs.
Kinda of like the newer model 185 electric start, condenser style cooling.. ST10 single phase
The price they came back with for electric start R185, is $288. With the ride over, I can sell that for probably $325. The engine pictured is tagged "Sanjia", but I'm asking further questions. I know that company is another engine supplier, like Taian Up and the supplier I'm talking with primarily, right now, so I'm not sure why this company would be selling an engine branded by Sanjia. Maybe Sanjia has its own factory and builds engines, too? I don't know about their quality, though.
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That is a good price I would like one r185 electric start = $325
If I needed some spare parts , how do I go about ordering those as well?
I started a new thread, called "PhunniPharm 'Official' ..." something-or-other, that carries prices as quoted by this supply house.
I'll ask the supplier if she has a spreadsheet with parts lists and prices, or something. Best I can figure is, I can ask her to take orders for parts in groups (one per customer) and have the engine and its parts prepped and boxed together. Each box that comes through can be most easily routed to its intended recipient, that way. Otherwise, I can weed through the parts and put them in boxes, and strap them to the pallet with the engine or whatever. I dig the heck out of these little machines, and I'd appreciate it if someone did that for me, so I'm happy to do it for someone else.
In the future, if I can start selling inefficient air compressors, I'll figure out a different cost structure and try to import a few select models if I can put a few shekels together, to seed my plot.