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Title: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 22, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
How goes it?  (Hawaii slang.)

Wow!  Would you have believed all this a month ago?  When we get back to the new ground zero what are you going to change in your life?  Any prophecies about what the new ground zero holds for us?

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: dax021 on March 22, 2020, 07:13:16 PM
Pretty close to South African slang which would be "howzit" [how is it (going)?]
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 22, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
I tend to say "hows it hanging?" saying it to women meant I never got dates!
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 22, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
Here in oz now there are 1300 cases. Friday there were abou 700.
Airport is supposedly closed but checking the arrival board at Sydney, there were 9 planes  in one hour coming in from os. There is not even amy temp checkimg far as i know , just supposed to self isolate.

Schools in most states are still open but there are strong calls call to close them and likley more will be this week . Yesterday non essential services were told to close, restaurants,  clubs, casinos, shops and all sport is pretty much cancelled.

Supermarkets were recovering but this has started another run on them straight away.
There is a lot of things that cant be had in supermarkets that the smaller places have loads of. Bog roll is not one of them but it is coming through but snapped up.

I think we have fked up here for the usual reasons of political correctness.  We still had chinese student pouring in here couple of weeks ago because we didn't want to offend  china and the unis wanted the millions in fees. While things are being done and quite severly, should have got in early and done it weeks ago.

The media need shooting here and thats all there is to it. The reporting is literally hysterical at times even from the little i bother to watch.  Is played up and dramatised beyond belief. On one hand authorities atr saying remain calm and the very people reporting that are trying to scare the living shit out of everyone all day and night.

My disdain for the media grows constantly. They are non essential and ought to be shut down that is for sure. They are 90% behind the panic buying.

I think this is going to be a blood bath for small businesses here. Fires killed a lot of places, they were gone about a month and now we have the Woo hoo flu.  Young friend leased arestaurant about a year ago and was doing well till about november with the fires. If hes shut for a few months.... i cant see how he will be able to pay the lease or anything else.

One thing is very widly agreed upon here, people are going to keep much more provisions in their house from now on. I guess all the prepper types feel as smug as all get out.  I dont see anyone starving though but early days yet.

One thing that has already come from this in my mind is how it pfoves what a complete and utter lievand scam this climate change bullshit is. Been dropped like a hot potatoe and people are suddenly far more concerned with wiping their arse than the planet getting .002oc warmer. I rhink now people will have a wakeup call to what really does matter.

We have plenty of food for now, thousands of litres of water, fuel and power both solar and generated to keep the fridge running while there is something left in them anyway.
Got my solar water heater conroller running so hot showers as well if the sun doesent go away longer than 4 days at a time.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 23, 2020, 06:52:03 AM
It will be interesting to see how it pans out here at the Bottom of the World in NZ . . .

We have lots of traffic with Asia and were a bit slow to close borders but are taking the drastic measure of effectively shutting the country down for a month and telling all "non-essential" industries to just shut up shop and citizens to stay home

It may be that our peak will be small-ish as a result and that this measure will allow our health system to cope rather than collapse?  That's the theory anyway

My own industry (water supplies to farmers, effectively) is lobbying to get labelled as "essential"

I guess time will tell on all fronts

I'm sure glad not to be an apartment-dweller in a big city with a couple of small kids - and my sympathies to any such  :(
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 23, 2020, 06:57:52 AM
How goes it?  (Hawaii slang.)

Wow!  Would you have believed all this a month ago?  When we get back to the new ground zero what are you going to change in your life?  Any prophecies about what the new ground zero holds for us?

Much as I hate to predict it, Casey, I suspect most folks will get straight back onto the (often dumb & pointless) shit they have always done
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 23, 2020, 09:44:04 AM

I see there is a revolt against China starting. I have beennrelatively supportive of chinese products but not any more. If there is one country that will benifit from all this and increase their power to further manipulate the world it will be them.

The only way to stop it is not buy their products.
Not easy at all but I'll certainly be looking much harder for alternatives.

No one will ever convince me that Trump wasn't right all along to try and get US industry and manufacturing going again. Maybe now some of the bitching bedwetters will wake up to the value of that in every western country this plauge is fking over.

I hope there is some way to hold the chinese gubbermint accontable and exact  repatriations from the corrupt bastards that lied to the world if not engineered this whole thing in the first place.

One thing is for sure, the world will be different after this. All the leftie do gooders and their open borders, globalisation climate change bullshit will meet with a lot of disdain and won't be accepted as it was before. If things go downhill, once any civil unrest occours it will likley spread around the world and people fed up with yhe corruption and mismanagement of many gubbermints and the leftard bs wont be putting up with it any longer.

Where  are all the greenwashed that were still ramming the "climate emergency " crap down our throats are fortnight ago?  Is the emergency suddenly over or was the world suddenly shown what a real emergency andbthreat looks like?
Seems to me what we are seeing now is exactly what their zero emissions world would be.

A lot will stay the same if things dont get too bad but a lot will change too.
Unfortunately humans are really pathetic about learning from history and not making the same mistakes. Greed sees to a lot of that.

Its very hard to fathom the economic effects of all this.  Oz has a LOT of small biz and so many of them are going to be in severe strife especially seeing so many have been weakend to begin with.

This  isn't going to be over for a long time yet.

Funny, I am always superstitious with new decades and 5 years. Most of the bad things including the very worst things in my life have happened in a xxx0 or a xxx5 year.
People including professionals have told me its just co incidence but how many co incidences does it take to be considered significant and more than just bad luck??
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 23, 2020, 05:38:42 PM
I stand corrected.  Howz-it? is the correct spelling and pronunciation guide.  It's not easy being a 5 star haole.

I'm sorry glort but the biggest struggle / challenge facing human activity in the long run is still climate change and ocean rise.  That's the 50 year problem.  Of course if something really serious comes along in the meantime it will steal our short sighted interest for the while but having water up to ankles while you take a much needed bathroom break will come back to the front of your needs and wants. 

(sarcasm alert)  If anything will help countries be more open and transparent it will be a racist response to China.  (straight talk alert)  If you remember dismissal and hiding the truth about the threat of C-19 was the track first adopted by Trump.  As a libratard I think this experience will bring home how interdependent we all are.  I also think there will be some tighter bridles put on the market to take care that the whole planet does not become so dependent on one area as we have been pushed into with China - greed is dangerous.  But mikenash is probably the most soothiest (as in soothsayer) of us all so far.  We're born, we shit, we die.  But change?  That takes effort.

We start testing this week on the big island.  Is it paradise or are we going to protect our tourist trade?  We're back down to three as of yesterday.  The population is about 185,000.

Happy Trails
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 23, 2020, 10:33:55 PM

I'm sorry glort but the biggest struggle / challenge facing human activity in the long run is still climate change and ocean rise. 

Yeah well good luck with trying to sell that from now on. I think that barrow of manure just got a whole load harder to push up a much steeper hill.
I keep hearing about all the deaths Globull warming will cause but I'm yet to hear ONE Clear and reasonable explanation how all these people are actual going to die and what from? Then again, doesn't matter because the greenwashed and lefties have no sense or truth or honesty and will say anything at all to promote their agenda as has been proven and demonstrated endlessly.

The more sensational they get, the less they are believed. What are the saying now, End of the world by 2030? 
Might just be but not from Globull climate crap that's for sure.

The vocal green party here that was on the TV every night during the bushfires pointing the finger, whinging about not enough being done, calling fire fighters wife bashers and generally making themselves more despised even to previous supporters, have gone VERY quiet now. Not a peep out of them as there is nothing to blame in their agenda for this although they did have a run at it early on and got smacked down from all sides.

Being one trick ponys they have NOTHING to offer in this crisis and have no leadership, policy's or initiatives.  They are totally and utterly redundant and useless. They have already lost the majority of their following and sympathy over their pathetic accusations with the bush fires, the minute they stick their moronic heads up again they are going to get the lambasting they deserve.
They want to run the  country and save the world yet they display NO ability to lead or have a clue about anything.

Even the Highly left Biased opposition is taking charge of the states it runs and working with the ruling federal party to get shit done. They have even handed their decision making powers over to the gubbermint so they can get things done quicker and more effectively.  Not a fan of their ideals but full credit to them where it's due. They have made some tough and wise decisions for the right reasons. Some are saying they are a bit over board, I think they are 100% correct to do things early rather than late.  At least they are stepping up and doing what they can.

The green whingers.... well they are probably hiding under their inner city beds somewhere cowering in fear because no one has heard a peep from them nor have they offered anything in the way of solutions or guidance in weeks.

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We start testing this week on the big island.  Is it paradise or are we going to protect our tourist trade?


Our Gubbermint was hell bent on protecting our tourist trade till it became clear even those in the industry were screaming to shut the airports and borders down.

We are supposed to have closed the borders but I can see on the airport arrivals board that the planes are still coming. Excuses have been made this is Aussies returning home or Cargo.  I'm pretty damn sure that the 4 planes From Kula lumpur that came into melbourne yesterday morning and another 2 into Sydney weren't  all Aussies coming home nor Cargo.  Not sure what's going on but something stinks. Also still planes coming from china and every where else. How this has escaped the media and everyone else's attention I don't know.
I have an app that tells you the arrivals for all the Oz airports and departures too.

Not exactly secret info or hard to find.

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If anything will help countries be more open and transparent it will be a racist response to China.  (straight talk alert)  If you remember dismissal and hiding the truth about the threat of C-19 was the track first adopted by Trump.

Of Course!
Have to get Racism and Trump in there somewhere to blame don't we?  I mean racism is the Term for anything the leftards don't want to talk about.  Slap the racism label on it to make the other side feel guilty and stop talking about things that don't push the leftist Narrative.  You can set your watch by it.  The old adage of Aussies betting on which fly will take off from the fence first would now considered racist in the mind of the leftie whingers.

This is going to be another casualty of the post Woo hoo flu era. ( is that racist? I certainly hope so!)
The reality check is going to bring a lot of people back to earth with all this PC crap. When people in their thousands are dying, No one is going to give a shit what precious snowflake they offend  or be bothered choosing their words carefully. Not that some  ever gave a damn about hurting the feelings of the Fairy floss girly brigade anyway.

The Libtard lefties are now even sooking saying calling it the China flu is Racist. No, It's FACT no matter how much the bedwetters want to hide that. There is a YT vid showing all the same leftie news organisations calling it the China Corona Virus as late as last week.
Yep, do as we say not as we do.

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We're back down to three as of yesterday.  The population is about 185,000.


Going exponential here every day.
Of Course they did just let 3000 people walk off a cruise ship last week and have now found about 30 of them have tested positive. How many  others they have passed this onto god knows.  That screw up alone could be responsible in the end for thousands catching this here.
How customs or health officials let this happen is beyond belief but typical gubbermint incompetence as happens everywhere.   
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on March 24, 2020, 01:39:25 AM

I'm sorry glort but the biggest struggle / challenge facing human activity in the long run is still climate change and ocean rise. 

Yeah well good luck with trying to sell that from now on. I think that barrow of manure just got a whole load harder to push up a much steeper hill.
I keep hearing about all the deaths Globull warming will cause but I'm yet to hear ONE Clear and reasonable explanation how all these people are actual going to die and what from? Then again, doesn't matter because the greenwashed and lefties have no sense or truth or honesty and will say anything at all to promote their agenda as has been proven and demonstrated endlessly.

The more sensational they get, the less they are believed. What are the saying now, End of the world by 2030? 
Might just be but not from Globull climate crap that's for sure.

The vocal green party here that was on the TV every night during the bushfires pointing the finger, whinging about not enough being done, calling fire fighters wife bashers and generally making themselves more despised even to previous supporters, have gone VERY quiet now. Not a peep out of them as there is nothing to blame in their agenda for this although they did have a run at it early on and got smacked down from all sides.

Being one trick ponys they have NOTHING to offer in this crisis and have no leadership, policy's or initiatives.  They are totally and utterly redundant and useless. They have already lost the majority of their following and sympathy over their pathetic accusations with the bush fires, the minute they stick their moronic heads up again they are going to get the lambasting they deserve.
They want to run the  country and save the world yet they display NO ability to lead or have a clue about anything.

Even the Highly left Biased opposition is taking charge of the states it runs and working with the ruling federal party to get shit done. They have even handed their decision making powers over to the gubbermint so they can get things done quicker and more effectively.  Not a fan of their ideals but full credit to them where it's due. They have made some tough and wise decisions for the right reasons. Some are saying they are a bit over board, I think they are 100% correct to do things early rather than late.  At least they are stepping up and doing what they can.

The green whingers.... well they are probably hiding under their inner city beds somewhere cowering in fear because no one has heard a peep from them nor have they offered anything in the way of solutions or guidance in weeks.

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We start testing this week on the big island.  Is it paradise or are we going to protect our tourist trade?


Our Gubbermint was hell bent on protecting our tourist trade till it became clear even those in the industry were screaming to shut the airports and borders down.

We are supposed to have closed the borders but I can see on the airport arrivals board that the planes are still coming. Excuses have been made this is Aussies returning home or Cargo.  I'm pretty damn sure that the 4 planes From Kula lumpur that came into melbourne yesterday morning and another 2 into Sydney weren't  all Aussies coming home nor Cargo.  Not sure what's going on but something stinks. Also still planes coming from china and every where else. How this has escaped the media and everyone else's attention I don't know.
I have an app that tells you the arrivals for all the Oz airports and departures too.

Not exactly secret info or hard to find.

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If anything will help countries be more open and transparent it will be a racist response to China.  (straight talk alert)  If you remember dismissal and hiding the truth about the threat of C-19 was the track first adopted by Trump.

Of Course!
Have to get Racism and Trump in there somewhere to blame don't we?  I mean racism is the Term for anything the leftards don't want to talk about.  Slap the racism label on it to make the other side feel guilty and stop talking about things that don't push the leftist Narrative.  You can set your watch by it.  The old adage of Aussies betting on which fly will take off from the fence first would now considered racist in the mind of the leftie whingers.

This is going to be another casualty of the post Woo hoo flu era. ( is that racist? I certainly hope so!)
The reality check is going to bring a lot of people back to earth with all this PC crap. When people in their thousands are dying, No one is going to give a shit what precious snowflake they offend  or be bothered choosing their words carefully. Not that some  ever gave a damn about hurting the feelings of the Fairy floss girly brigade anyway.

The Libtard lefties are now even sooking saying calling it the China flu is Racist. No, It's FACT no matter how much the bedwetters want to hide that. There is a YT vid showing all the same leftie news organisations calling it the China Corona Virus as late as last week.
Yep, do as we say not as we do.

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We're back down to three as of yesterday.  The population is about 185,000.


Going exponential here every day.
Of Course they did just let 3000 people walk off a cruise ship last week and have now found about 30 of them have tested positive. How many  others they have passed this onto god knows.  That screw up alone could be responsible in the end for thousands catching this here.
How customs or health officials let this happen is beyond belief but typical gubbermint incompetence as happens everywhere.

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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: dax021 on March 24, 2020, 06:51:22 AM
We have just passed the 400 infections mark, no deaths as yet, and are going into lockdown from midnight on Thursday.  This will last for 21 days and only essential services will be operating.  People will only be allowed to leave their houses to seek medical help, buy food, draw cash and other emergencies.  Not looking forward to it.  There is going to be an ungodly rush on the supermarkets and fuel stations in the next 2 days.  Luckily, I am rural and self sufficient with water and power.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 24, 2020, 07:52:20 AM

There has been talk of the same here only with people being allowed to go to work.
I think it's better to do it early as possible than have to do it when half the country is infected.

Mrs went to the supermarket on the way home last night to pick up some milk and meat. Came home with quite a bit of short dated Fresh stuff they were selling cheap. Had some nice Pies for lunch today with  still 3 days to run and she got a few other things similar.  We have at least 2 days from that alone without touching anything else in the cupboard. I said to the mrs maybe she bought too much and other people may have wanted it. She said they were pointing it out to people saying it would be thrown out if not sold and marking it right down on the spot.  I thought strange seeing the pies had 3 days to run and some coleslaw and salad had 4? Anyway, we'll have that and keep other stuff that will last longer.

I'm surprised in a way but not in another there HASN'T  been a run on fuel here. Then again,  with the initial shutdowns yesterday and 88,000 people supposedly put out of work, I guess there isn't a lot of places to go with every thing bar essential services shut down.  No pubs and clubs or anything else that's not vital.  Interestingly our big hardware chain seems to have closed the retail section but is promoting it's trade sections in the same buildings are open and ready for business.  Not sure how that works.

Daughter is home with a complication with a tooth extraction she has had a week and isn't sure if she will be going back to work.  Boss spoke to her today and thinks they will be open because as an electronics and white goods retailer they seem to be classed essential.
I said with everyone at home watching netflix, if the TV goes on the fritz and they can't buy another one, could be anarchy.
Then again, what Home doesen't have 3 TV's now? We have 2 perfectly good large sets I can't remember when we did turn them on the last time.

Quite a bit of food has been rationed.  Daughter went out  yesterday to get some ingredients she wanted to use to make lunch. One was a tin of Corn and the other a tin of beetroot.  She was told at the checkout only one canned food item per customer.  She apologised and said she was sorry didn't realise and would put it back. She didn't notice the sign had now included tin food.   She said I'll take the beetroot because I'm making a salad and I know dad likes that better than corn so I'll have the beetroot too.
Woman looked around and whipped both cans through and said to my daughter, thank you for understanding and being so nice about it, you have no idea how many people have abused me today. she said so many people have come through with mountains of stuff and then get irate when they are told they can't have it all.  She pointed to a security gaurd and said I have been here 8 years and we have never had a gaurd before but he's earning his keep I can tell you.

Amazing.
I hope they don't start limiting tinned pet food.  We often seem to have more of that than food for us. Only 2 cats and a dog now but eat like horses and they aren't fat either. Often we get a load when I am with the Mrs and I always wonder if people think WE are eating it with the amount we get.  Go through 4 tins a day every day.

I'm semi Rural and not too worried either.
If the world stops I can easily make power to keep the fridge running, the TV and computer on so we are fine.  The recent rain means I have 8000, litres of water in the tanks and I think we have enough food for 3 weeks although obviously milk and bread will run out.
We have a LOT of market gardens around us which we drove round the other day and I said to the Mrs if things get bad, we have the food bowl right at our door.  Not real happy they seem to be growing more Cabbage and Cauliflower than anything else but anyway.

Mrs pointed out the Hamburger on the hoof and said I wonder how many of them will disappear if things get bad?  I said dunno but they would be a real bugger to try and stuff in a shopping bag that's for sure.  :laugh:
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 25, 2020, 03:21:55 AM
Hmmmmm; How do people die from ocean rising?  When the land mass reduces by 10 or 15% and the hordes of people come onto your world cause their's is gone people are going to die.  When people come onto your world knowing that your unsustainable life style is what accelerated it people are going to die.  You might think we have a population problem now.

But this is all rhetoric.  We need this pandemic to get controlled by May 1st because I want to jump on an airliner, burn about 55 gallons of petroleum based fuel on my way back to Seattle to catch up on business.  Let's get serious here. 

Besides I just stuffed myself on salmon and am nodding off so goodbye.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 25, 2020, 08:52:03 AM
   the hordes of people come onto your world cause their's is gone people are going to die.

You mean like the Millions that Invaded Europe a while back?
That was all encouraged by the lefty do gooders that wanted open boarders and now are screaming for them to be closed.

All that mass Immigration worked out real well for Europe Didn't it?

I won't even get into the well debunked sea level rising bullshit.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on March 25, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
glort you might find this interesting. https://www.resignation.info/list?q=Australia+ (https://www.resignation.info/list?q=Australia+)

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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 25, 2020, 03:47:31 PM

I see there is a revolt against China starting. I have beennrelatively supportive of chinese products but not any more. If there is one country that will benifit from all this and increase their power to further manipulate the world it will be them.

The only way to stop it is not buy their products.
Not easy at all but I'll certainly be looking much harder for alternatives.

No one will ever convince me that Trump wasn't right all along to try and get US industry and manufacturing going again. Maybe now some of the bitching bedwetters will wake up to the value of that in every western country this plauge is fking over.

I hope there is some way to hold the chinese gubbermint accontable and exact  repatriations from the corrupt bastards that lied to the world if not engineered this whole thing in the first place.

One thing is for sure, the world will be different after this. All the leftie do gooders and their open borders, globalisation climate change bullshit will meet with a lot of disdain and won't be accepted as it was before. If things go downhill, once any civil unrest occours it will likley spread around the world and people fed up with yhe corruption and mismanagement of many gubbermints and the leftard bs wont be putting up with it any longer.

Where  are all the greenwashed that were still ramming the "climate emergency " crap down our throats are fortnight ago?  Is the emergency suddenly over or was the world suddenly shown what a real emergency andbthreat looks like?
Seems to me what we are seeing now is exactly what their zero emissions world would be.

A lot will stay the same if things dont get too bad but a lot will change too.
Unfortunately humans are really pathetic about learning from history and not making the same mistakes. Greed sees to a lot of that.

Its very hard to fathom the economic effects of all this.  Oz has a LOT of small biz and so many of them are going to be in severe strife especially seeing so many have been weakend to begin with.

This  isn't going to be over for a long time yet.

Funny, I am always superstitious with new decades and 5 years. Most of the bad things including the very worst things in my life have happened in a xxx0 or a xxx5 year.
People including professionals have told me its just co incidence but how many co incidences does it take to be considered significant and more than just bad luck??

I cannot fathom how not buying Chinese products will stop the virus. As for the climate well already the amount of smog and pollution is dropping mostly due to less people driving and factories closing.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 25, 2020, 05:20:01 PM
I don't know if glort found the table of resignations interesting but I did.  My little gray cells are screaming "Why - What's going on" and "How is this implicated in this thread"?

Carrying On:
     When all the water is so infiltrated by salt water that you can't sustain life other's lives may be at risk. 

Migration:
     None of us would be where we are if the first modern man had not migrated from central Africa.  Perhaps they were chased out by the loving generous and all wise conservative rulers of pre-historic Africa.  You know; the same kind of folks that are running them out of Africa now.  To be honest lads; I don't really give a shit!  It will be interesting to see the 20 year impact on the EU.  I'd also comment if you want to see the Europe that is in your school books you might start looking for an airlines now but don't put your money down until you're within 90 days of take off.

And now some news from the wimps:  https://www.plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/video-explains-origins-coronavirus-1-minute?utm_source=Plant+Based+News+Subscribers+Combined&utm_campaign=7dab0dd42f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_24_03_51&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5651a57357-7dab0dd42f-268780089&mc_cid=7dab0dd42f&mc_eid=4fdb93b6ba (https://www.plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/video-explains-origins-coronavirus-1-minute?utm_source=Plant+Based+News+Subscribers+Combined&utm_campaign=7dab0dd42f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_24_03_51&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5651a57357-7dab0dd42f-268780089&mc_cid=7dab0dd42f&mc_eid=4fdb93b6ba)

In closing:  I went to Costco yesterday for their 8:00 AM "Open for Oldsters" program.  At 8:03 the line was three blocks long.  I went to Walmart, you know the China crap store, and it sucks compared to Costco.  We had a bumper crop of pumpkins this year.  I'm thinking I might just get pretty tired of pumpkin in April.

Aloha
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 25, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
I went to Aldi store yesterday they are open 11-1 for seniors and vulnerable people. I went at 11.30 it was full of hipsters, millennials and yummy mummies. I said to one dickhead in his 20's "you know it's 11-1 for seniors"? He replied that he was shopping for his aged mother. I concluded his aged mother was an especially small incontinent alcoholic because his shopping trolley contained 48 cans of beer and a bag of disposable nappies.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 26, 2020, 05:21:39 AM
And now some news from the wimps:

I certainly agree with the sentiment of that video.  The way Chinese treat animals and their health standards especially in those markets is beyond disgusting. Not a thing they won't eat.

My father and I often watch those airport customs shows. The ones we get are made in OZ and NZ.
Every single edition there is some chinese person/ couple turning up with 4 suitcases between them. One will have clothes ( or some clothes) and the other will have all sorts of foods which they NEVER mark down on their arrival card as having.  Some of the shit they bring in is unreal, often festering or decomposing.

My Father and I wonder what the hell is it with these people? Do they not think there is any fking food here or no other Asian people are here that eat their traditional foods and if they don't bring all the food they will need for their trip, they will starve to death?


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 26, 2020, 06:10:43 AM

I cannot fathom how not buying Chinese products will stop the virus.

Not a matter of stopping the virus but a matter of stopping the Chinese gubbermint ruling the world and a matter of other countries  going back to being more independent and manufacturing their own products and giving their people job and building their own economies instead of endless building that of the Chinese.


 
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As for the climate well already the amount of smog and pollution is dropping mostly due to less people driving and factories closing.

Yes, But is that " Sustainable" in civilisation in the long term? Already the world is facing very hard times and economic melt down.
As mentioned above there are lines for  food. You mention factories closing. That's fine for a while too till you can't get the things you need and have to go back multiple decades and do things all by hand or not be able to do them at all.
 I don't see that being able to go on.  Here they have said there are over 100K people put out of work and it could go high as a million.
Not against Clean air but is this the cost? How are these people going to feed themselves even if enough food is produced if they have no money? they can't be propped up forever especial when the Gubbermint itself is not getting near the income it was but expenditure just went nuts.

I spoke to my father this morning and his house keeper and her husband have both lost their regular Jobs.  They have a mortgage, vehicles and a child to pay for. They weren't greedy or over Commited by a long shot but take away long time incomes and things get real hard real quick. There are a 100K people like that right here right now just in this little country.  Multiply that out by the world in 6 Months and I think even the greenest zealot is going to have put  " the environment " a long way down the list.

What I'll REALLY be interested to see is how much the all singing, all dancing, all never ending hype of co2 levels actually drop by the time this is all over? Should Plummet if the green religion is correct.  With so little over all actually being man made, I expect it to drop by some tiny fraction of a percent.  The way greta and the other green obsessed carry on, it should drop by at least 50%.
No doubt what ever figures do come out will be exaggerated by the green side and spin doctored to be greater than they are again.

I do think that just -MAYBE-  some casualties of this may be the green gloom and doomers, The Lefties, The PC correct stupidity and the Mee too want everything given to them now attitude.  Lot of these people are going to get a BIG reality Check right in the face and their days of being self centred spoiled twats are over.

My daughter has as usual been looking at social media as has her friends and they all give me faith. They express hope for the future and seem to be appreciative that the situation isn't that bad and they still have jobs and homes.  They have all become useful people in society, manyof the blokes have become Tradies in their own businesses, One girl is on her way to becomeing a doctor, a bloke is doing law and they all have worked since leaving school and now started buying homes. Some to live in, some as investments. good choices either way.
One girl I did like because she seemed a particularly mature and caring girl has fallen prey to drugs.

The wider group tried to help her but when she continued to go down the wrong path with the wrong people, the distanced themselves very quickly.  It appears she is starting on the right road again the the group is starting to welcome her back.
Another young guy also got in with the wrong crowd for a while but seemed to have a moment of clarity at one point, signed himself up to the navy and has been in Submarines of all things for a while and appears to have his life well under control.
One has had an " Accidental " pregnancy but was in a long term relationship anyway rather than not having a clue whom the father was or only have met him once.  They were already living in their own home and at mid twenties, isn't a teenage pregnancy.

They are all laughing at the precious little snowflakes, many of them older than they are, that are complaining online about not being able to get their nails and hair dons and all the night clubs being closed and what can they do to entertain themselves? Some of the comments to them my daughter has shown me from her friends reflect they have been brought up to appreciate things and the parents and Grand parents have not let them grow up thinking things were also all fun and games. Unfortunately the ones they are laughing at missed out on this part of their growing up life skills in humility.

I also see many of my daughters friend are welcning the slow down and putting the increased spare time to use improving themselves. Some have spoken about reading classic literature , some are wanting to learn new skills, some are helping their parents.  One guy is going to work with his dad, not for the money but to help him and learn new things as well.  This has come at a good time when they are mature enough to learn and appreciate but young enough to be flexible and dig in during hard times.

They may be able to pass on the same to their kids memorys of when things got a lot harder in their lives too.

There are memes going round that maybe the world needed a break and a reality check. I tend to agree. With all the PC Bullshit and people endlessly trying to fabricate reasons to have duly elected leaders removed when they have done nothing wrong because  -they - don't like them and all the rest of the bullshit HAD to stop.  It may not stop, but it's sure been kicked back a long way I think and won't be tolerated like it left off.

My wife has long told me about some precious snowflakes she works with.  She has commented this week on the change in ther attitude and the ones that have tried carrying on have been swiftly and certainly put in their place by other staff that she thought didn't even have a voice and would put up with anything.

Then again, it's been a week full of self important morons coming in seemingly oblivious to what is going on outside their own self centred world and still wanting everything to suit them.  These are the twats that karma is going to kick in the arse hardest of all which will be fitting seeing they are also the most deserving. 

As one of my Daughters Friends posted somewhere:   We think we are hard done by not being able to go out with friends.  When my grandfather was my age he was going  out fighting on the front line of a war with his friends who were dying.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 26, 2020, 06:52:43 AM

" I won't even get into the well debunked sea level rising bullshit. "

Well, let me then

Glort I usually figure your half-educated, ill-informed, poorly-thought-through, mysogynist, racist, short-sighted, long-winded ramblings are kinda entertaining in a fact-free, grammer-free, content-free, accuracy-challenged way - so I usually just ignore them.  Never mind the fact they're too long to be worth reading anyway . . .

But.  That aside.  I have to point out that, while the man-made or otherwise content of global warming may be debatable, and the relatively short period of time over which this particular burst of warming has occurred may make it had to compare with previous warm/cold cycles - sea-level-rise is an evidence-rich, well-documented, scientifically-proven, univerally-accepted fact

Read my lips:  The fucking water is rising.  It's easy to measure.  Average annual rise last century was 1.4mm.  So far this century it's 3.6mm a year.  Any moron with a stick in the sand could figure it out.  You could probably shuffle down to the beach and nut it out yourself if you could muster an open mind

Just saying . . .
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 26, 2020, 07:29:26 AM

Glort I usually figure your half-educated, ill-informed, poorly-thought-through, mysogynist, racist, short-sighted, long-winded ramblings are kinda entertaining in a fact-free, grammer-free, content-free, accuracy-challenged way - so I usually just ignore them.  Never mind the fact they're too long to be worth reading anyway . . .

But you do read them anyway and obviously get sand in your Vagina over my comments and then can't contain your urge to reply with what you imagine is witty and clever repose in order to elevate your also imagined social standing with the other laughably like minded.   
This calls into significant question the intelligence and motivation of anyone who would hold an opinion such as that of someone else but then go on to not just read something they -supposedly- hold in such low opinion, but take time to reply to it.

I always laugh about those whom complain about others wrong doing/ lack of intelligence / whatever and then follow and get upset about it anyway especially when they are arguing for the biggest most laughable scam ever played on the whole world.   ::)
Geez I'd love to be around when this all does get actually proven and hear what Crap the useful idiots whom perpetuated all have to say.
No doubt more spin doctoring and lies.

Seeing you and your moral support  sidekick are such deep believers in all this Globull Warming hysteria, I have a great opportunity for you to buy the Sydney Harbour Bridge my great uncle left me at a Bargain basement price. It will make you a billionaire!  :laugh:

I have said many times in many places I'd like to see a register of the believers and disbelievers. You bet your entire financial worth, property etc  on your position  and when this is finally sorted one way or the other, everyone settles up. Too bad if you left everything to your Kiddies and they get thrown out on the street, the disciples of the green cult are always so cock sure and going on about their kids future, lets see them put their money where their mouths are.

 I'm more than prepared to but yet to find any of the bedwetters that have the balls to back up their Hysterics.

Can't even find any of them prepared to back it up right now as they have all disappeared into hiding.

Carry on Mike, your holier than thou attitude is making you a legend in your own mind even if no one else's.  ;D

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 26, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
Actually, no.  I usually just skim the first paragraph and figure the rest is content-free

However.  Since this started off as Covid-19, I will make you a token wager.  I'm prepared to bet the value of a box of beer or some such that the death-per-head-of-population in Australia as a result of Covid-19 will be at least three times as bad as in NZ because your PM is a moron

And, I'm sorry, but the sea is still rising :)
Title: Re: C-19 - more petrol to the fire
Post by: sirpedrosa on March 26, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
To whom It May Concern

Beautiful ... low the level, but interest goes up ... a lot.

Stay safe all.
VP
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 26, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
Or demand for new stuff made cheaply by people on crap wages is the reason why China got to its position as a manufacturing juggernaut. Who in the UK or America or any western style country will work in poor conditions for subsistence wages? Many western economies are based on "service" or value add economise they make very little because it's expensive to do so. Anyone that plays with Honda small engines knows that Chinese copy parts often cost less than the postage does for genuine parts.
If manufacturing is outsourced to China in their bizarre economic system only a very few get wealthy and the vast majority stay poor. It would take huge change in every country to change this. Starting with making things that can be repaired, removing built in obsolescence, and most of all reduce the desire of big western based companies to make more profit over and over selling the same things repeatedly to the same people. Razor blades I can understand but phones, televisions, cars furniture every blood thing has to be replaced or upgraded regularly and done on the cheap. We pay or have better quality long lasting stuff made locally.
The factories that are closed and the cars driving people to them were often making stuff that's not needed. That has really reduced emissions. Maybe this virus will act as a wake up call? We think we are in control but the control tenuous at best. Lifestyles have to change. Most of the people on this site seem to reuse recycle and restore stuff but it's all OLD stuff. We need to go back to that quality.
Anyone who thinks a politician has the answers is sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 26, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Gosh, this is great.  All you lads pulling together, speaking softly of and to one another.  (No sticks on the internet for quasi-civilized folk.)  I didn't realize this thread was going to bring the best out of some of you.  Mr?  I'm the pillar of salt.  Pure, wholesome, wise and all that other stuff delusions are made from.

Obviously sane, well thought out positions and beliefs just aren't going to get us all on the same train of thought.  And I'm thinking being nasty isn't part of unification code either.  So what could the answer be?  Perhaps if we tone down our rhetoric and consider that most of these differences are just that.  Just differences.  I'm thinking most all of us keep pretty busy trying to make our and our family of friends and relatives comfortable and safe.  That most of us are frustrated by awkward and "stupid" behavior and talk but can't accept that there always has and will be people that just aren't onboard.  I'm trying to get over it.  It's really hard. 

Would a couple of you try to join me in just laughing about how mistaken our friends and neighbors are.  I'm not asking you to accept or believe their misguided fumbles at wisdom but rather to just smile and realize there is more than one that might think the same about you. 

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 26, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Glort, glort, glort.

Need I confess again that I don't read all of the sentences in the many paragraphs of your unique posts.  I joke about my slow progress at dementia and lifelong reading skills but truth be told your just too pure for me sometimes.  I do admire your letting the laundry hang out there in the front yard but sometimes it's even more redundant than my greeny tree hugging idealistic rubbish.

Most of the great thinkers are remembered for their concise truths rather than their long winded often unread diarrhetic conglomerations.  Preach on brother!
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 26, 2020, 09:41:14 PM
On some forums you can ignore people and their posts dont show when you are on the site.....A possibility! After all the Luddites had their wasted day in the sun
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 27, 2020, 07:55:15 AM
Or demand for new stuff made cheaply by people on crap wages is the reason why China got to its position as a manufacturing juggernaut. Who in the UK or America or any western style country will work in poor conditions for subsistence wages? Many western economies are based on "service" or value add economise they make very little because it's expensive to do so. Anyone that plays with Honda small engines knows that Chinese copy parts often cost less than the postage does for genuine parts.
If manufacturing is outsourced to China in their bizarre economic system only a very few get wealthy and the vast majority stay poor. It would take huge change in every country to change this. Starting with making things that can be repaired, removing built in obsolescence, and most of all reduce the desire of big western based companies to make more profit over and over selling the same things repeatedly to the same people. Razor blades I can understand but phones, televisions, cars furniture every blood thing has to be replaced or upgraded regularly and done on the cheap. We pay or have better quality long lasting stuff made locally.
The factories that are closed and the cars driving people to them were often making stuff that's not needed. That has really reduced emissions. Maybe this virus will act as a wake up call? We think we are in control but the control tenuous at best. Lifestyles have to change. Most of the people on this site seem to reuse recycle and restore stuff but it's all OLD stuff. We need to go back to that quality.
Anyone who thinks a politician has the answers is sadly mistaken.

There have been legal arguments, I believe, in America, which have forced car manufacturers (kicking & screaming) to allow vehicles to be serviced by their owners rather than obliging owners to take them to the dealer?  Also, I think, legislation around making some classes of appliances "repairable"

It used to be that you had to buy a $40 battery for your phone every couple years - now it's a new $1500 phone every couple years.  Perhaps folks are beginning to have "had enough"

When I first heard of the Chinese virus I briefly harboured a hope it would reduce the population of China to, say, three or four hundred?  Sure we'd have to pay more for our T-shirts, but we'd have to start making stuff for ourselves again.  I'd be OK paying $20 for a T-shirt instead of $3 if the extra $17 was going to supporting a manufacturing industry in NZ rather than one in which Kiwis are paid to clean the floors & toilets in Chinese-owned tourist hotels and are told to call it "progress" and "good"
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 27, 2020, 08:02:50 AM

"  Would a couple of you try to join me in just laughing about how mistaken our friends and neighbors are.  I'm not asking you to accept or believe their misguided fumbles at wisdom but rather to just smile and realize there is more than one that might think the same about you."

Casey, you're a prince

Y'know, down here at the Bottom of the World we're short of plastic face-mask thingies for doctors & front-line medical staff.  Someone figured out you could just 3-D print 'em and put the template out on the net.  So this morning there are folks turning up at hospital doors with boxes of the things and just handing them over . . .

That's what I like
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 27, 2020, 05:50:11 PM
I was talking to a guy today who told me straight faced, that the C19 virus was created in China as a form of population control. He also thinks that as they "created" the virus they have the cure/antidote/vaccine. Luckily for humanity he just sells lawnmower parts.
Thats a good story Mike a similar thing has happened in my local hospital in Navan they got loads of boxes of gloves donated. Also a local guy that breaks and restores tractors donated a load of masks and disposable boiler suits. People do pull together.
Thats very true about the phone batteries too it's madness to have to dump anything over a battery.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 28, 2020, 12:43:11 AM

A very entertaining short vid summing up the current situation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGw5Ucmwk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGw5Ucmwk8)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: veggie on March 29, 2020, 03:41:50 PM

I thought this one was quite funny...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPlR9n_6uas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPlR9n_6uas)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 30, 2020, 01:18:08 AM
Hey Veggie,

Two thumbs up from this house.

We're up to six on the big island, Hawaii.

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 30, 2020, 03:55:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_tEdQvFcc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_tEdQvFcc&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 31, 2020, 03:53:32 AM
Well, Six minutes in and not quite half way there I knew who wrote it.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on March 31, 2020, 09:02:35 AM
I did listen to the first couple of minutes, Casey
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 31, 2020, 10:46:30 AM

Got to admit I am pretty worried about this. Been looking at some vids from qualified and experienced Doctors on this and whom the most suseptable are NOT to make it.
That's me.
My complications make my odds of getting though it even if there is all the care I need available... which there is a good chance there won't be. Then again, they say only the good die young so being the bastard I am, I should be here till I'm 150.

If my father gets it, no chance in hell he'll pull through it.  He has asthma and has had Pneumonia before and it kicks the shit out of him.  He also has recently Diagnosed heart problems. The local butchershop hospital for the region are less than useless at the best of times.  He lives in a place where there are more probably over '70s than 60 or anyone else.  Told me yesterday that there had been cases in his town and the next.  That's what they know of so far of course let alone whom it has and will be passed onto.
Only 3 people in the world I really give a shit about or can hurt me now and he's one of them.

Never thought I was going to see old age but might be over even quicker than I assumed.  Few years back I wouldn't have cared if I lived or died, in fact I stacked the odds against my self many times but nothing ever happened even though I well set it up to so I figured I was meant to stay around.
 Now, I'd like to go a bit longer although I know if that happens there will still be so much more heartache and pain in store as there has been my whole cursed life.

Might be time to have a talk to the daughter if things come to the worst and write some notes.  Maybe if I do that I won't need them bit if I don't.....

Still, my early demise wouldn't  exactly break everyone's heart.
Always figured with a history of cancer on both sides of the family, that would be how I'd go. Already got a list of scores I'm going to settle big time in my final weeks if that happens. 

Hope I don't get cheated out of that last bit of satisfaction and I do get through this.
Wife and daughter will be OK if they get it but if they do, it will be game over for me. 
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on March 31, 2020, 04:11:24 PM
This is a wake up call for many people.  I think we're going to see some pretty significant changes in Western lifestyle people.  Facing mortality is just a first step.

Shall we put our little gracy cells together and see if we can predict those changes?

Less or more risk taking? "I could be dead from a virus in two weeks.  Yeah, give me that rock climbing gear."

"Money in the stock market?  It all just runs away when times get tough."

Conservation? 

Eating meat?

Will we move our manufacturing base back to this country? 

Political winners / losers?
 
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: sirpedrosa on March 31, 2020, 05:33:54 PM
Hi Casey

You got the point fast!

Cheers, and stay safe.
VP
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on March 31, 2020, 09:30:38 PM
The virus moved from China to the west probably because of trade between them and most countries are finding it hard to cope. These countries have advanced medical systems. it will move on to Africa, the middle east and countries where there is poverty, refugee camps, corruption and superstition. They don't have a chance, Ireland is struggling now America is out of it's depth it would be devastating to an impoverished country.
Glort why not settle a few scores today or better still bury the hatchet. Takes balls to do both.....
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 31, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
Glort why not settle a few scores today or better still bury the hatchet. Takes balls to do both.....

You aren't aware of the Magnitude of the scores I am talking about to settle. I'm not talking petty things here or anything I could ever just forgive and forget. The balls I have had to find and the things I have had to do to still be here are already well beyond what I ever imagined I was capable of. On one hand it has completely broken me, on the other there is nothing I can't do, particularly on the evil side.

While I am able to be here to look after my wife and daughter, I will continue to do so. When that no longer becomes a possibility, then I will indulge myself in some final satisfaction and finish my time knowing I did have the balls to right some wrongs done against us.

I fully agree with your assessment of the impact on poor countries.  Once this gets into places like India with their vast slum areas, the spread will be like wild fire and there will be no treatment available at all to those that catch it.  I don't know if it can be spread by contamination but Imagine if this gets in the Ganges river. Population numbers will take a hit.
Other parts of asia will also suffer as will the places you point out.

 Many people seem to think this is a month or 2 thing. My thoughts are it's 6 Months +.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on March 31, 2020, 11:09:18 PM
This is a wake up call for many people.  I think we're going to see some pretty significant changes in Western lifestyle people.  Facing mortality is just a first step.

Shall we put our little gracy cells together and see if we can predict those changes?

*  The end of Climate Change Hysteria.
People are going to be far more worried about keeping roofs over their heads and food on the table in the face of Mass unemployment and economic upheaval than to have the luxury or concern to be worrying about what happens in 10 or 50 years.  Their concern will be getting through the next 12 Months to 3 years. Lot of people that can't afford heating will be welcoming warmer weather!

* The end of political correctness.
When people are fighting over bog roll and tinned food,  No one is going to give a shit about hurting some precious little snow flakes feelings.  The whole world had had a massive dose of Concrete and is about to harden the Fk up.  Those that don't, no one is going to give a damn about any more.

* The end of green Politics and subsidies.
Already green Politicians have proved they have nothing to offer in the current situation and will all but if not totally disappear.
The hand outs and subsidies for " green" programs like tree planting and RE will also disappear. Gubbermints everywhere are all trying to borrow Billions and trillions which will have to be paid back or there will be an economic collapse.  Either way, funding for any crucial and non essential expenditure will cease especially that which was largely to pacify a concern that has now vanished from people giving a rats arse.
Get ready for more truly reliable coal fired power stations that are not subject to the vagrancies of the weather which was why windmills were moved away from in the 1800s. The green screams are going to fall on deaf ears now. People won't give a shit where the power comes from as long as the lights do stay on... which in many places is looking far from a sure thing now. 

* An end to the Leftist Do gooder ideals.
Immigration will be locked down in many places as they struggle to look after the people they have and rebuild economies. Most immigrants are more of a drain in the western world than they are an asset. Gubbermint numbers PROVE that no matter how much the now Defunct Lefties and bed wetters want to complain about it.  People will no longer give a damn about being accused of being racist. They will be too concerned with looking after their own welfare than making things harder by trying to look after blow ins.
There will be no room for all the lofty leftie ideals.  Their position was laughable in the old world. Now it's just not going to be viable at all in most cases.
The " Right's" of whining minority groups will go out the window. No one will give a dam if some whiny cup cake is offended for some fabricated reason.  There will be much bigger issues than to pander to these self centred attention seekers.

* A return to individual Independence and self sufficiency.
The majority here won't be seen as old fashioned, eccentric or whatever.  Those with DIY ability are going to be the ones that come though this best.  The inner city, professional protester latte sippers are going to have a REAL hard time as are a lot of professionals in corporate and admin fields. The ones with hands on skills, the tradies are going to become the very well off if not rich with more work than they can handle and the ability to charge what they like.... even more than before. Those whom Feign short attention spans as bullshit excuses for to dismiss ideal they can't argue sensibly about that don't agree with their own softcrock ideals might have to pull their heads out there collective arses and face the fact their days of getting away with being conceited arsewipes are at an end as well.
I also see a mass exodus from the cities to more rural to semi Rural areas where people do have the space and freedom to grow a garden and have the land to help provide for themselves.

* The younger generation just got the biggest kick in the teeth.
 The Teens to early 20's  just saw their previous lifestyle disappear.  No more jumping on planes for OS holidays twice a year . No more endless going out and good times. Times are going to be tough and they aren't going to forget them even when things settle down.  Wait till they see what real unemployment looks like.
Parents are going to be lucky to get kids out of home time they are 30. There will be no more of the Bullshit of taking days off work and not having to have a Dr's certificate and the unreliability of so many. The dead wood will be weeded out fast and all the unions and tribunals will have better things to do than protect the " Rights" of the bludgers.

* The age of disposable appliances and products is over.
People are going to be doing it tough and the consumerism of the past is going to take a big hit.  People will be wanting to save money and repair where they can not just toss out and go buy new  the minute something stops working. 

* Tesla is finished.
By their own admission, they are a luxury purchase and a significant one.
The average age of vehicles on the road will get older as people try to keep them going longer to get by with.  Even if they have a job and can afford new cars, economic uncertainty will curtail a lot of sales.
EV's just got set back 5-10 years and won't achieve near the numbers predicted. Uncertainty of power supply will also curtail a lot of sales.

* We will loose a lot of the older generation.
Once this is finished the most vulnerable will have taken a hard hit. A lot of experience and wisdom will be lost in the world.
Maybe older people will be revered more as in the past than seen by many as a burden.
As suggested elsewhere, this may hit some 3rd world countries hard enough to impact their population numbers.

* People will take the law more into their own hands.
It's likely crime will increase and law enforcement which was already near useless and ineffective in many parts will be over run.  Over crowed Jails will be bursting at the seams.  As frustration in the community grows and policing declines, a return to older days where both the community and the police took care of business on the spot will return.
There may be a return to moral standards where people who are dishonest, unreliable and self centred without concern for others don't get away with it as they did before and are called out for it.

* China's economy WILL take a big hit. The Commie party may fall.
As reliant as the world has become on them, there is already a very bad taste in the mouths of many in regards to china.
If the population get access to uncensored internet as groups are trying to do now, once the people see the outside world there will be an overthrow of the chinese Nazi party. 

* No Home in the civilised world will have less than 3 Months supply of Toilet paper on hand at all times and most people will aim for a minimum of 6 months reserve. 


One thing is for sure, we have now hit a point of before and after in the world and things from here, many no one can foresee atm, are going to be VERY different.


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 12:28:33 AM
I like this
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 12:50:10 AM
Glort why not settle a few scores today or better still bury the hatchet. Takes balls to do both.....

You aren't aware of the Magnitude of the scores I am talking about to settle. I'm not talking petty things here or anything I could ever just forgive and forget. The balls I have had to find and the things I have had to do to still be here are already well beyond what I ever imagined I was capable of. On one hand it has completely broken me, on the other there is nothing I can't do, particularly on the evil side.

While I am able to be here to look after my wife and daughter, I will continue to do so. When that no longer becomes a possibility, then I will indulge myself in some final satisfaction and finish my time knowing I did have the balls to right some wrongs done against us.

I fully agree with your assessment of the impact on poor countries.  Once this gets into places like India with their vast slum areas, the spread will be like wild fire and there will be no treatment available at all to those that catch it.  I don't know if it can be spread by contamination but Imagine if this gets in the Ganges river. Population numbers will take a hit.
Other parts of asia will also suffer as will the places you point out.

 Many people seem to think this is a month or 2 thing. My thoughts are it's 6 Months +.

Ireland is in lock down by another name only allowed to go to the shop, pharmacy or for fuel. Try doing that in Mumbai! I agree with you Glort that many parts of the world could quickly be depopulated. There are many pointy headed blokes working on a vaccine it really has to be found soon it has to be effective and it has to be free. My hope is they can do it before it's too late, it's not a money issue it's a time issue.
I can imagine you Glort in your shorts and sandals body temperature at 40c and outside it's 45c. Your aching and your sight is blurred and you're staggering down a deserted road, driven by rage, with a shotgun, gnashing your teeth half blinded with sweat to extract revenge!
Back to the Chinese again and a proverb. "Water does not stick to the mountain, and vengeance does not stick to a big heart."
Poet, Robert Service "the thought came back of an ancient wrong and it stung like a frozen lash"


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 01, 2020, 06:14:34 AM

There are many pointy headed blokes working on a vaccine it really has to be found soon it has to be effective and it has to be free. My hope is they can do it before it's too late, it's not a money issue it's a time issue. 

Something I saw a while back and has been corroborated with things I have seen more recently, is that most vaccines and medicines take 10 years  to  develop.  I saw an interview with a doctor the other day where the interviewer asked about a vaccine in 3 months and the Dr said it would be a miracle to get one in 18 Months. They have already discovered different strains of this Virus and the Dr thought it would likley mutate further as it goes into different areas and adapts to it's surrounds.

 I think we can all see the damage will be well and truly done in even a years time. 

That's what makes this so scary.  No way in the first world we are going to be able to hole people up for that long. In the 3rd world.... Well lets just say the few that are left aren't going to have near the problems they had before with food, shelter and population.

We don't know how this is affecting people in China. The gubbermint has proven what vile , evil lying murderers they are so there could be a million dead there already and the rest of the world wouldn't have a clue. Even if western world Gubbermints did, the last thing they are going to do is let  the sheeple know and cause more panic.


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I can imagine you Glort in your shorts and sandals body temperature at 40c and outside it's 45c. Your aching and your sight is blurred and you're staggering down a deserted road, driven by rage, with a shotgun, gnashing your teeth half blinded with sweat to extract revenge!

Not the way I see it.  I think I might have a peace and satisfaction I haven't had in some time and will never have as long as I do survive.


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"Water does not stick to the mountain, and vengeance does not stick to a big heart."

Big heart? Me?? Mine was shattered and what is left is cold as steel trust me.  So often I hear and see things that others are mortified by and my only concern is because I don't feel anything at all when I know I should.  :embarassed:

I'm not sure the world will ever be the same again and in so many instances, I'm far from convinced that will be a bad thing.
The environmentally concerned may well see their goals and aspirations realised just through the sheer reduction in population this may bring.

We are definitely  living (so far) through a period future generations will read about in history books that's for sure.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 01, 2020, 06:33:43 AM
I'm pretty sure I like the poem more.  ::)

I know I read all of it. 

Thank you glort for putting the star things on the paragraph topic sentence.  They pulled me into two more of the paragraphs.  Pretty dark, brother.

The City of Miami is spending $400 million on raising roads and installing pumps.  Reminds me of the stories about the building of Holland.  Miami has a population of 463+ thousand divided into $400,000,000 = $863 apiece.  If it works then they'll spend some real money.

We're up to 18 verified C-19 people with 11 of them being clean for 14 days.  The other 7 are in home quarantine.  No hospitalizations as of yet.  This is out of a population of 186+ thousand.  A young fellow wanted to return from New Jersey to help with the farm and I had to say no.


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 08:26:16 AM
The WHO says the mortality rate of C19 is 3.4%. Assuming the worlds population is 7.5 billion then the deaths worldwide would be 255,000,000 that's America and the UK totally depopulated. Of course most people catching the virus will recover, I don't think I would survive it due to age and multiple health issues.
It appears that people aren't keeping their distance or socially isolating and there's a new form of assault, people spitting on cops and emergency service workers, WTF is wrong with people? That takes a doctor, nurse, firefighter of cop off the scene for 14 days as they must self isolate. This will pass if people take simple steps like avoiding people. Give the doctors time to develop a vaccine or other treatments. In Ireland drink stores are open (essential stores only are supposed to be open) some people are buying booze and having big house parties. Most people aren't that selfish
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 01, 2020, 08:38:02 AM
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 09:23:00 AM
IMHO there's an interesting thread running through this commentary which is sort of asking . . .

"After this is over, will we go back to the same old shit?  Or will it be a wake-up call that will encourage us to do things that are good for everyone, not just a privileged few and - gasp - maybe better for the planet?"

Bets, anyone?

I think there might be some changes. People can't have failed to notice that the casino in Wall street isn't paying like it was. Of course it's all smoke and mirrors anyway derivatives, futures, short trading etc are only a way for a few rich people to get extremely rich. Rich people like the Saudis who have decided to hit Russia where it hurts, in their pockets. Oil is at a 20 year low because they can, pretty much.
On the other hand doctors and nurses from many countries are trying hard to get home to their home countries to treat people and help their local health authority. This is potentially dangerous and there's no money in it. Why? Because most people are intrinsically good I believe. Most politicians, here at any rate, are working together for the good of the country. That's unusual!
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 01, 2020, 01:48:33 PM
The WHO says the mortality rate of C19 is 3.4%. Assuming the worlds population is 7.5 billion then the deaths worldwide would be 255,000,000 that's America and the UK totally depopulated.

When I see those Numbers the thing that troubles me is WTF you going to do with all those Bodies?
Certainly not enough space to bury them, not enough Crematoriums to incinerate them,  Probably not enough timber of fuel to burn them.. maybe Dump them at sea in weighted nets and let the fish have a feed?

Problem I see is the worst hit places will be the ones less able to deal with this.
So many body's pose a great risk to health and infectious diseases in themselves.




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Of course most people catching the virus will recover, I don't think I would survive it due to age and multiple health issues.

I'm trying to convince myself this won't meet expectations because if it does, things are going to be VERY different in the world and take decades to recover..... to what ever level that is manageable. It follows a dooms day scenario very well.

I wonder in reality how many of the doomsday preppers have locked themselves in their bunkers to ride this out?
It seems to me that this will get worse for at least the next 2-3 Months and the longer it goes the greater the risk of needing more supplies. At this point, I'd say 6 Months is a minimum to be able to ride it out.

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It appears that people aren't keeping their distance or socially isolating

Well I'm very much in 2 Minds about that here.
On one hand the police are out fining people for not social distancing and there are all sorts of things you can't do.
What you CAN still do is get on a Bus, a train or a fking aircraft and pack in with everyone else.  It needs to be social distancing with everything which would mean maybe 15 people on a bus max, or the Buses, trains and planes all stop.

Atm it's like trying to keep the flies out by fitting a new flyscreen door on the front while the back door is swinging wide open.
Useless.


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and there's a new form of assault, people spitting on cops and emergency service workers,

Well the cops have guns, they should be able to drop these pricks that are threatening their life sure as pointing a gun at them. Anyone did that to me or mine and one of us would not be walking away and the odds would be in my favour with that one.

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WTF is wrong with people?

Well this is one of the things in the post China Pandemic that I see will go away.  Shit like that won't be tolerated in the future and as much as the soon to be extinct lefty snowflake mentality will have a sook and a cry about it, These people WILL be delt with by the community in a direct manner instead as the weak as legal system we have now. This Bullshit didn't go on in our parents age where things were delt with more directly and despite standards slipping in past decades, I predict there will be a return of moral and community standards that the present filth will have to abide by or find themselves  facing  a very unpleasant lesson.

The bullshit of the lives of scumbags and filth being precious is also going to go out the window when scores of Good people are lost through no fault of their own.

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That takes a doctor, nurse, firefighter of cop off the scene for 14 days as they must self isolate.

To me that's pretty much irrelevant' I know what you are saying, we can I'll afford to have these people taken out of action BUT, to me it's attempted Murder.  That simple. Should be treated exactly the same way.
This sounds like something straight out of the Leftard Loonie play book like those ANTIFA Filth. There is a group that should be arrested the second they stick their covered faces up and left on a leaky boat 20 Miles out to sea.

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This will pass if people take simple steps like avoiding people.

We'll it real mixed measures where I am.

I do see a lot of people here Hunkering down and quite enjoying the break so far. I see many on social media pissing and moaning because their lives are so inconvenienced by not being able to go to the gym but a lot just the same are trying to do the right thing.
There are others like my wife that has to go to work and cannot avoid people.  Just like all the Doctors, nurses, cops and everyone else out there the population depends on.  I really think if they gave everyone a weeks notice and said from this day for a fortnight EVERYTHING  shuts down, no one on the street at all, It would go a LONG way to levelling things out.
No going to work, no transport, no going out your door bar to the hospital.... that's it.

People all should be wearing masks outside but the Chicoms have seen to that.  Even a scarf or kerchief over their faces would be helpful if not a certain preventative.  I often wear one when tearing up the road On the motorbike in winter to keep the chill off. I got them out the other day and said to the mrs if I go out I am wearing this.

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Give the doctors time to develop a vaccine or other treatments.

Like I said, I think that is going to take a lot longer than most people not of the medical persuasion understand.

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In Ireland drink stores are open (essential stores only are supposed to be open) some people are buying booze and having big house parties. Most people aren't that selfish

I have maintained for years in all seriousness that a stiff drink does wonders for me when I get a cold. I can be sniffling and snoting and hacking my head off and a good couple of belts and the next day the improvement is as undeniable as it is dramatic.

In my ignorant opinion, if you put ethanol on your hands to kill Viruses, Putting it your blood stream must have SOME beneficial effect.
If I get any symptoms, I'll be heading to the Liquor cabinet that's for sure!  Sure as hell wont hurt if it does not help and what is to loose?
I am not a big drinker by any standard and I do not for the life of me get the compulsion so many have to booze but then again, I have never been drunk in my life.

If I did anything to make me throw up which I hate, I'd be bloody careful not to do it again.
I don't mind a drink, I just don't see it as the necessity so many do.
Probably why I have the best stocked Liquor Cupboard of anyone I know.

Who knows, those getting pissed off their faces might be dong more good than harm in this scenario.

I'm sure it's not that simple or the preventative for this would be very easy, however, maybe in this case the mental belief may be as good as any other treatment at this point in time.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 01, 2020, 02:11:57 PM

Most politicians, here at any rate, are working together for the good of the country. That's unusual!

I agree.

There are still the whinging point scorers out to try and elevate their own status by pointing out the failings of others, real or imagined, in times there is no play book to go by. The public are revolting against that behaviour as sure as they are bring pressure on the gubbermint to prevent Chinese buy up of struggling businesses here which they HAVE been trying to do to make acquisitions and bargain prices.

The loud and vocal greens have all but disappeared although I did see some laughable bullshit today predictably blaming this CCP deliberate Virus on .... You guessed it, Climate change!  ::)  These people's stupidity and treachery knows no bounds at all.

For the main apart though, I also see unusual levels of co operation  between many old sparring partners. 
Maybe they know if they Fk this one up, none of them will be  around to fight over anything.
Not a lot of Pollies here under 50 yo.

They are -saying- there has been an improvement here in the infection rate.  Might be true, might be to calm the masses. No way to tell.
Hopefully this does not meet expectations because some of the qualified people I have seen making predictions are terrifying.
As a friend said to me today who also has some health issues. "It's hard to know whether to be more worried about our parents or ourselves".

The first world maybe able to help themselves but if it catches in the 3rd world, No pollie's or anything bar divine intervention will save them.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 02:13:27 PM
Just 3 points Glort, Irish cops are armed if you could call it armed with a truncheon that's all. I have partied a good bit in my time but this isn't the time. These young people are mixing, getting off their face then going home unaware if they have the virus and possibly passing it on to older people. Many young people have no or near to no symptoms when they have the virus, no booze no parties is logical, we only have a small police force, parties are hard to police grog shops much easier.. Buses here are separating passengers not hard when most people are prevented from working and the bus service was a joke anyway.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 02:18:04 PM
A lethal pandemic in the 3rd world? That's a racists wet dream
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 01, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Where are people spitting on others?

I'm concerned that the cleaver wealthy and their adversaries are going to rob the treasure chests that are being opened by our governments.  It smells like corporations are getting two dollars for ever single dollar that goes to the people directly here in the states.  The hypocrisy of the conservative arena is simply amazing.  Socialistic actions are devastating unless it's going into their pockets.

As for the numbers.  The death numbers are for people that actually show significant symptoms not the entire population.  This is why we lose well below 1% of the population to the annual flu.  3 million would be 1% of the population in the states while we lose <40,000.  A crazy number that still has me falling backwards.

Be careful.


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 01, 2020, 06:51:46 PM
As*holes in Ireland are spitting on emergency services and cops. Stoned and drunk not that thats any excuse I have often been both
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 01, 2020, 09:26:17 PM

Just 3 points Glort, Irish cops are armed if you could call it armed with a truncheon that's all.

Sad but perhaps a necessity these days  that is reviewed and they are given more of a deterrent.
 Maybe they wouldn't be spat on if they were armed but I get that a lot of ( law abiding ) people may not want that.

I have heard of the same thing going on here though, not just against cops etc but the general public and even old people. I believe so Piece of shit oxygen thief was arrested either friday or Saturday for it in Melbourne buy thats citys well documented Resident Terrorists, The Sudanese  thugs.


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These young people are mixing, getting off their face then going home unaware if they have the virus and possibly passing it on to older people.


Didn't mean to sound like I was condoning it.  If there is one thing I can't stand its people that get pissed and then cause trouble or use it as an excuse. Far as I'm concerned no one threatened your life if you didn't drink so therefore it's on you 10%


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Buses here are separating passengers not hard when most people are prevented from working and the bus service was a joke anyway.

Well that's better than here.  Last time I caught peak hour public transport, you could have halved the people and still been crowded.
From what I have heard from friends, public transport  has a lot fewer people using it but there are a lot of services being cancelled so the ones that are running are  packed as ever.
Can't even social distance on the city underground ( or any other) railway platforms.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: veggie on April 02, 2020, 04:14:00 PM
Sorry for the very late reply to to a comment made earlier in the thread,

mikenash stated:
Read my lips:  The fucking water is rising.  It's easy to measure.  Average annual rise last century was 1.4mm.

It's very easy to add cuss words and emotion to a statement in order to make it seem true and real.
The data that I have studied suggests otherwise.

Tide gauges all over the world are giving opposing trends. Florida shows some rising. Alaska shows the ocean level is falling.
Continental plates are moving all the time.
70% of the coastal major historical sites which once dotted the shorelines 3000 years ago are now under 70 ft (or more) of water due to natural rising levels resulting from glacier melt and tactonic plate movement.
We modern people think that we are somehow special compared to the hundreds of cities that have already been engulfed by natural sea rise in the past.
If man is dumb enough to build a city 4 ft. above sea level (most built in the 1600's or earlier before natural ocean rise was known) then they will succumb to the same fate as previous cities until the next ice age moves in and starts the cyclical drop in ocean levels.

Fort Denison in the Sydney harbor has one of the longest running tide gauge datasets in the world.
No remarkable sea rise is being recorded there.



Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 02, 2020, 05:00:10 PM
Tide gauges all over the world are giving opposing trends. Florida shows some rising. Alaska shows the ocean level is falling.
Continental plates are moving all the time.


It was well known before " climate science" Voodoo came along that sea levels rise and fall around the world.
Factors like position of the moon, heating and cooling, sea currents, wind direction and speed and other natural factors cause the sea level not to be the same all over the globe at all and they do shift.

Those with a bit of knowledge may recall that the sea levels at either end of the Panama canal are different and it has locks yet obviously the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are connected. There are also plenty of their Pet NASA authority pictures showing many land masses are expanding which are of course dismissed even though the source is the same as they normally hold out as proof positive of their fanatical beliefs. 

It's useless trying to explain anything to those that fall for climate science because they go on and on about science yet when any scientific fact is presented which counters their own, they will refute it as the source not being creditable or refuse to accept anything which undermines their position.

The WORST thing you can can say to a believer is something factual and undeniable which they cannot possibly argue about.  That is the ultimate sin and will without exception bring on the temper tantrums.

What I said and the reply's are Typical. I said  the climate change game is over, Gubbermints won't have the money for it and people will have more to worry about and the response was climate change is real and anyone who does not believe in it is an idiot.
Automatic default to the defensive and don't even address the issue made but create an argument with themselves.

I don't bother getting involved to trying to convince them. They will link newspaper and media articles from the dodgiest of gutter level journals and be adamant something published if only on the net is irrefutable proof.

I'm just sitting back laughing now. They can run round and stomp their feet and glue themselves to the road as much as they want. The rouse is over, the world can no longer afford it and people now have a real emergency and recovery  to worry about.
 If they went blue in the face before because not enough " action" was being taken, well get ready for noting at all to happen for the next 3-5 years if ever again and a nice new coal driven power station coming to a state near you.

Finally the green washing is over even if the congregation doesn't yet realise the cult has had the pin Pulled. Doesn't matter if it's real or not any more, the money and interest from the public and the pollies after their vote is gone and it's all over. 

Looks like every cloud does have a silver lining after all.  0)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 02, 2020, 05:57:54 PM
I'm kinda of with glort on this sea lever rise.  While there is little doubt in my mind that the water is rising I know nothing I saw, write or substantial information I provide some folks just ain't gonna buy it.  So why bother.

Some of us like street language.  I don't know why but I'm sure it's some sort of mality in our moral composition.  No Shoe Polish!

The Big Island of Hawaii has a few more verified cases but no one has gone to the hospital as of yet diagnosed with C-19.  T. Gabbard is working hard to keep us informed and tests are still very rationed.  New, faster, more reliable tests are on the way.   

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 02, 2020, 10:25:55 PM
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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 03, 2020, 07:21:47 AM
Re sea-level rise . . .

FWIW I don't think there's any real doubt that the water is rising (after all, there's less ice - where the hell else is it gonna go).  Where I grew up as s kid in the almost-coastal town of Hastings there were several beach-front settlements and all have retreated now as the water has risen over 50 years . . .

BUT as for whether the change in our climate is entirely natural, or completely man-made, or a combination of the two - I'm not sure we have been measuring it long enough to be as definitive as we think we are about that.  Sure we are putting greenhouse gases into the air and that's dumb - maybe they're responsible for 90% of the changes?  Maybe they're responsible for 10% of the change.  i suspect we're a bit too close to the events to know

There's a famous strategist and Vietnamese General Nguyen Ngoc Loan (possibly miss-spelt) and he is the man who said - of the vietnam war "Tens of thousands of men are going to die.  What of it?  Men die every day.  If you don't have the stomach for that - you shouldn't be leading men"

Anyway he was something of a philosopher & student of history and, culturally, French, and was once asked.  "What affect do you think the French Revolution has had on French Culture?"

He thought for some time and eventually responded with "Too soon to say"

That's how I feel about the climate debate

Also - on the original subject from which I have digressed again - COVID19.  Our small country has done something interesting - although possibly financially fatal - in introducing four weeks of a very strict lock-down very early in the pandemic.

Our government took the attitude (unlike Uncle Nguyen) that killing some tens of thousands of our people was Just Not On and that if the economy takes a hit to save a big number of lives - so be it

I will watch with interest to see how our experience compares with those of other countries (Hawaii might be comparable, as an island, maybe?)

Good luck to one and all as the virus runs its course
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: dieselspanner on April 03, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
I've only heard one sensible statement concerning mankind's reaction to climate change.........

A, If it's happening and mankind has nothing to do with it then anything we can do is pointless

B, If it's happening and we are the cause then we'd better get cracking and do what we can - pronto.

C, It's not happening.

In any case, doing whatever we can, will, in the worst case, have no effect.

Doing bugger all may very well drop us right in it.


From a personal view point I don't really care, I'm 65 and live at 935m (3000 feet) above sea level in a valley with enough sheep, cows, deer, boar, fish and vegetable plots to support the population much as it did for hundreds of years up, to and beyond, WWI. There's plenty of scope for hydro electric power too.

I'll probably be dead before we hit the Mad Max scenario, if not, the CS and all that veg oil in the shed will come in handy!

Why everybody who is raising a young family is not doing everything they can (be it necessary or not) to counter 'climate change' I fail to understand, completely. The problem, should it occur, will fall on their kids.

Meanwhile I'll keep on carrying on......

Cheers
Stef 

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 03, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
Doing bugger all may very well drop us right in it.

With the Current situation and the effect on the world economy, There is going to be bugger all money to put towards this CC and bugger all concern from the great majority of the worlds population from here on in for the next 5 years at least. 

That said, The doing of Bugger all by the western worlds population for the next month or 6 may have far better results than anything that was ever thought of before.

I look forward ( and hope I'm still around) to seeing the drop in Co2 levels.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 03, 2020, 06:56:24 PM
Doing bugger all may very well drop us right in it.

With the Current situation and the effect on the world economy, There is going to be bugger all money to put towards this CC and bugger all concern from the great majority of the worlds population from here on in for the next 5 years at least. 

That said, The doing of Bugger all by the western worlds population for the next month or 6 may have far better results than anything that was ever thought of before.

I look forward ( and hope I'm still around) to seeing the drop in Co2 levels.

The old order changeth yielding place to new And God fulfills himself in many ways Lest one good custom should corrupt the world. Tennyson
The world as we know it will be changed forever people have had to learn hard lessons and there's harder lessons ahead. One thing that will change is the attitude to China not about the virus but about the sh1t quality of their stuff. Ireland ordered €200 million plus of PPE they sent a load of crap. People will stop moaning about the cost of the NHS or similar after seeing what medics do and what sacrifices they make for others. Blowhard politicians have had their day for a few decades as have the spoofers and chancers and outright liars. The green part in Ireland has been shown to be all of that and will get the kicking they richly deserve soon as a ballot box appears.
People have started to realise technology isn't the be all and end all so hopefully the upgrade to the latest plastic crap will slow down. Staying away from others will prolong your life should also introduce a bit of self sufficiency that has long been lacking.
Nothing since the plague has been so dangerous
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 04, 2020, 12:05:05 AM

I don't know about the blow hard Politicians having had their day, I think they are the most persistent Diseases of all, but I certainly think a lot of things will change as you suggest, the main one being peoples attitudes. I see that happening already and I think we are at the very beginning still and the end is the best part of 6 Months away and they we will start to rebuild and recover.

After the hard ships and reality checks many will get in the next 6 Months alone, let alone after, There will be a far greater expectation for everyone to pull their weights and much less tolerance for those that don't and think they are still " special".

I think we just took a 50 year + rewind.  The snow Flake generation with their no consequences attitude of not upholding their word are going to get a big lesson in having consideration for others  and personal responsibility for one thing. I think a lot of Millenials are also in for a BIG attitude and responsibility adjustment.

I think the world has also learned just how fragile our survival is and how dependent we are.  One rumour and there is no food on the shelves and people can be in real trouble. I think shortages of things yet to come will grow and give people a much greater appreciation for how easily their comfy lifestyle can vanish and they can be in real trouble.

I predict the gardening industry will take a big upturn as those with the space start trying to be a bit more self sufficient. Might even knock on to the housing industry where people that rushed in to buy whatever cardboard shoe box they could and call it a home will now actually look for something with a useable backyard with a greater area than 2 lawn Chairs.
The repair Industry will also take an upturn as those with things that still can be repaired look to get as long as they can out of them rather than automaticaly Chuck them out and buy new.

The appliance and product manufacturers may be forced to take a 50 year rewind as well and make things that are made to last beyond 5-10 years and can be repaired when they do break down.  It will be interesting to see if this goes to thinks like vehicles and whether the aftermath of this will be severe enough to impact their designs. Instead of 50 completely and utterly useless features, maybe we will see a more back to basics and reliability approach.

The west will definitely go back to an attitude of more self sufficiency and doing things " In house" far more than ever before and free trade is highly likely to not be anywhere near as free flowing.

I definitely see this as a pre and post point in history where we will look back at the way things were before but are no longer.
Not all of that will be bad.

I was wondering when all the craziness with so many things would end and where the world would finish up and now I'm seeing it.
Just hope I get to live though it.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 04, 2020, 12:34:55 AM
I agree with most of what you said mate I would just add a couple of other changes I can see coming. One is the massive inequality in the west, loads of wealthy peoples kids were on school trips to Italy recently I believe they helped spread the virus in Ireland. When I was at school a school trip was a half day at the beach or a national monument. Cheap air flights will stop being the norm, it's  as cheap to fly return to New York from Dublin as it is to have a good meal and a night in a Dublin hotel. That's madness, of course I pay 62% tax on a gallon of paraffin aviation fuel is exempt.
I saw on the news the news this evening that the virus is ramping up in South Africa. 40 years ago, when my sister lived there the country was wealthy and there was work and opportunity. It's still technically a first world country but they have nothing and nothing to buy any supplies with, it's a disaster happening before their eyes, When this is over I imagine the survivors will be keen to get shot of the useless politicians and corruption.
America is also in a lot of trouble and it's looking bad for the people there. Again useless politicians, stupid so called pastors and "religious" making mad statements and the president trying to raise the price of oil so American shale oil will be profitable and help his re-election. PT Barnum said “Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public.”  I think he's wrong on this occasion people will die by the bus load deaths that could have been prevented.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 04, 2020, 01:09:20 AM
John we have painted ourselves into a corner imho

Once upon a time the bell curve had a medium width section for poor-ish folk, a monstrous fat rump of working/middle class folks who did OK-ish and whose kids could go on a half-day school trip most years, and a wee sharp peak of millionaires

In the decades since we have bought onto the lie of privatisation+progress and this, coupled with technology (which hasn't delivered the promised Universal Three Day Working Week but has just made the folks who own the tech uber-rich), has upended the bell curve

Now it has a wide,wide,wide base of folks with nothing, a skinny, shrinking, debt-burdened middle class middle bit, and a steeple tall peak of billionaires

IMHO again, only a transformative societal change as extreme as something like a Universal Basic Income and something amounting to a partial nationalisation of essential assets will suffice

That, and getting back to making stuff that lasts and bugger the Chinese

McCarthy wanted to nuke 'em back to the 6th century back in the 50s "while we have the chance" but he was overruled (not because it was "wrong" but because it was "politically unpalatable" lol

Without the Chinese we'd have to pay $8 for our Tee shirst not $2.50.  But I'd be OK about that if lots of Kiwis had jobs with fair wages in the T-shirt factory  :-\
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 04, 2020, 08:28:24 AM
Mike I agree with you. But I don't think it's too late. The model is wrong, "investors" which is another name for greedy rich people who want to get richer without any effort or production of anything have lost "confidence". That weird looking bowl haircut Zuckerberg is a billionaire from producing nothing, reselling nothing. A lot of paper wealth is built on advertising or futures nothing tangible. The UK recently left the EU and a lot of people there work in "service" and "financial service" so called industries. They produce very little tangible goods and are mostly dependant on the confidence of investors ....Ireland produces very little now too although we can still feed ourselves many countries have lost even that basic ability. It was unsustainable and like the Dutch tulip bulb frenzy built on sand and not casting sand at that.
Many western countries rely on China and other poorer countries to make stuff, do the work. That means we can have disposable clothing, cheap coffee grown by subsistence farmers and phones that cost a grand. WTF is the point? There is more awareness that the system as we know it can't go on and some politicians are offering simplistic solutions to big problems. Sadly the solutions on offer are blaming others and racism not ideas that tend be be productive. Making stuff that last, growing your own food, repairing stuff so that polluting factories are no longer needed to produce disposable goods. I have been recycling my waste for years and its getting harder and harder. Plastic bottles and containers are everywhere some aren't recyclable or made out of a combination of different plastics,, plastic film, plastic coated cardboard etc this shit isn't recyclable and it's unnecessary. It's all linked into how people are and how they live. 
Like most people  on this site I'm fairly self sufficient, I fix stuff we grow some veg, we recycle  but many people can't and just don't know how how. They are bombarded with advertising and gadgets that are supposed to make their lives easier. They are educated to be "academic" or a failure nothing practical is taught not even how to think. I see people who have to "google" everything they have no abilities and no way to remember basic things because they were never taught basic stuff like learning by rote. These are the people that are behaving stupidly during this crises, , it's unfair to call people that don't know stuff stupid but it's easy to do that.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 04, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
Who will win the hearts of these new countries as they come out of this pandemic?  The sellers of "cool", "fast", "easy", "sexy" and WANT or the ideas of "self sufficiency", "local", "repairable" and of course "work"?  Kinda scary.

I think it somewhat depends on how many die.  And how soon the next one hits.  It's like using the same plans to build a replacement house of one that burned or flooded.  Unless you want to experience another chapter of what put your back up against the wall you have to make a few changes.

I still shop a bit at Walmart.  I admire their training program.  Will they start shopping the world?  Will governments start requiring a certain percentage of goods be manufactured in the home country?  Will the wild pony / work horse market economy start getting some stronger bridles?  Let's not shoot the horse because the barn burned down.

Stay tuned boys and girls for next weeks show.  New settings?  New stars? 

I have only been off the farm twice in the last week (further than I can walk) and it looks like I may be in full hermit mode this coming few weeks.  Can you imagine being trapped in an apartment in a 250 apartment complex?  Well, I'm going over to another channel now to see how much of Rome burned last night. 

Aloha,

PS:  The big island still has less than 20 active cases and has yet to have someone put in the hospital for C-19.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 04, 2020, 07:55:51 PM
Who will win the hearts of these new countries as they come out of this pandemic?  The sellers of "cool", "fast", "easy", "sexy" and WANT or the ideas of "self sufficiency", "local", "repairable" and of course "work"?  Kinda scary.

I think it somewhat depends on how many die.  And how soon the next one hits.  It's like using the same plans to build a replacement house of one that burned or flooded.  Unless you want to experience another chapter of what put your back up against the wall you have to make a few changes.

I still shop a bit at Walmart.  I admire their training program.  Will they start shopping the world?  Will governments start requiring a certain percentage of goods be manufactured in the home country?  Will the wild pony / work horse market economy start getting some stronger bridles?  Let's not shoot the horse because the barn burned down.

Stay tuned boys and girls for next weeks show.  New settings?  New stars? 

I have only been off the farm twice in the last week (further than I can walk) and it looks like I may be in full hermit mode this coming few weeks.  Can you imagine being trapped in an apartment in a 250 apartment complex?  Well, I'm going over to another channel now to see how much of Rome burned last night. 

Aloha,

PS:  The big island still has less than 20 active cases and has yet to have someone put in the hospital for C-19.

Things won't return to the way they were. Things changed drastically after the black death and a century after that the enlightenment began. Interestingly the plague came west from China along the old trade routes. Between those 2 events the peasant revolt occurred it also ended indentured servants basically slaves that worked for their food and board to a local baron or lord. Might not be those type of changes but lord Zukerberg, lord Bezos et al might have things to worry about in future.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 04, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 04, 2020, 08:26:26 PM
Is that load of bollocks some conspiracy nonsense?
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 04, 2020, 08:32:16 PM


Things won't return to the way they were. Things changed drastically after the black death and a century after that the enlightenment began. Interestingly the plague came west from China along the old trade routes. Between those 2 events the peasant revolt occurred it also ended indentured servants basically slaves that worked for their food and board to a local baron or lord. Might not be those type of changes but lord Zukerberg, lord Bezos et al might have things to worry about in future.

John, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.  But it worries me that the power of entrenched interests won't be shaken without a BIG upheaval and that they'll just Bounce Right Back

I guess we'll see.  I might go buy a couple cases of beans and maybe a few thousand rounds of .308 lol
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 04, 2020, 08:47:04 PM
People power Mike the thing most politicians fear. 40% of Irish people don't vote politicians love that. If the people decide that they want some particular direction for the country then that's what has to happen. I don't know where you live or how things are there but Ireland is a wealthy enough country with full employment until recently. People with reasonable jobs sleeping in cars because there are no places to rent or buy. 50 kids in a classroom lousy roads everything you want to buy costs way more here than anywhere else in Europe and the politicians keep referring to their God the markets. Their god seems to have feet and legs of clay. People aren't totally stupid (I hope)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: broncodriver99 on April 05, 2020, 08:45:44 AM
Is that load of bollocks some conspiracy nonsense?

Sure sounds like it to me. Then again I have been drinking Jameson all night. Not that that has anything to do with anything. I still think you are correct.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 05, 2020, 08:52:40 AM
broncodriver99 I much prefer the corn whiskey your country produces to Jamieson I think it would take the paint off a gate!


Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 05, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
People power Mike the thing most politicians fear. 40% of Irish people don't vote politicians love that. If the people decide that they want some particular direction for the country then that's what has to happen. I don't know where you live or how things are there but Ireland is a wealthy enough country with full employment until recently. People with reasonable jobs sleeping in cars because there are no places to rent or buy. 50 kids in a classroom lousy roads everything you want to buy costs way more here than anywhere else in Europe and the politicians keep referring to their God the markets. Their god seems to have feet and legs of clay. People aren't totally stupid (I hope)

John, you could be talking about New Zealand - which is where I live.  Very similar in many ways - even culturally up until recently; these days kinda Irish with Polynesian influences lol

People SAY they're not happy with things but getting them to vote for change is hard - especially when there are a few options offering change - which makes it easy for vested-interest big parties to do divide-and-rule

Our Prime Minister Jacinda Adern has done great stuff (imho) with the Covid, and she has become something of a player on the World Stage in a small way.  Last election she had a coalition with the Greens and a Centrist party,  This time we might even get a majority Labour government and, if there was public will, substantial changes could be put in place?

My fear is that the great unwashed, as soon as this shit is lifted, will flock to the Warehouse and the pub, breathe a collective sigh of relief and go back to buying plastic consumer crap, watching the Telly and drinking beer

Makes me sound like a goddamn snob - sorry
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 05, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
Mike maybe both of our countries will emerge better places after this. Both being Island economies we import container loads of rubbish every day. This virus is killing people the lack of disposable plastic crap isn't having much effect. People can learn to live without constant consumption. People are doing stuff they haven't being doing in this country for years, interacting with family and helping each other more.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 05, 2020, 06:21:29 PM
I don't think the flat earthers will make much headway as a result of this temporary inconvenience but there will be changes for sure.  The British courts were loading the New World with indentured servants right up to the US revolutionary war.  The plague has over a 50% death rate when untreated.  That's at least 50 times greater than this scary inconvenience we're going through now. 

Is Australia better off or not now that the government doesn't require 50% of replacement parts on autos be manufactured in Australia?  I think we'll see some seeds similar to this happen in countries that actually hear the wake up call.

Have you noticed the air quality pictures.  At least we know have good evidence that bad air is our work and not a natural cycle caused by a wobbly planet or star.  Don't we?

Wow snowman18.  I didn't realize what an old stick in the mud conservative I am until I read your eye popping post.  Thanks.  I'll be sending them to a couple of friends that call me libratardacaded. 
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 05, 2020, 08:37:23 PM
Jaysus!  Is that libratardacation contagious?
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 04:06:12 AM
I don't think the flat earthers will make much headway as a result of this temporary inconvenience but there will be changes for sure.  The British courts were loading the New World with indentured servants right up to the US revolutionary war.  The plague has over a 50% death rate when untreated.  That's at least 50 times greater than this scary inconvenience we're going through now. 

Is Australia better off or not now that the government doesn't require 50% of replacement parts on autos be manufactured in Australia?  I think we'll see some seeds similar to this happen in countries that actually hear the wake up call.

Have you noticed the air quality pictures.  At least we know have good evidence that bad air is our work and not a natural cycle caused by a wobbly planet or star.  Don't we?

Wow snowman18.  I didn't realize what an old stick in the mud conservative I am until I read your eye popping post.  Thanks.  I'll be sending them to a couple of friends that call me libratardacaded.

Here's another you can forward, I don't necessarily believe it either.

News release 12 August 2019
INTEL: "Bridge Event" in UK . . . Royal Funeral Allegedly Imminent

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/intel-bridge-event-in-uk-royal-funeral-allegedly-imminent (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/intel-bridge-event-in-uk-royal-funeral-allegedly-imminent)


Operation London Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_London_Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_London_Bridge)


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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 06, 2020, 08:10:59 AM
Snowman you're quoting a far right conspiracy theory and hate speech site for "news".  If you want to quote news sites how about starting with the NY Times, BBC, Washington Post, Reuters, CNN, Associated press etc. Cross reference a story, if 2 or 3 of the big wire services are carrying a story its likely true. The BBC is gold standard for news.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 06, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
Gotta love conspiracy theorists and tinfoil-hat wearers.  "Time on their Hands" syndrome in action lol
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 06, 2020, 09:13:37 AM

 If you want to quote news sites how about starting with the NY Times, BBC, Washington Post, Reuters, CNN, Associated press etc.

This is sarcasm right?


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The BBC is gold standard for news.

Now I know you are taking the piss.

Big time!  ;D

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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 06, 2020, 10:09:06 AM
 ::)  "Watching with Interest"   ::)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 06, 2020, 10:30:14 AM

 If you want to quote news sites how about starting with the NY Times, BBC, Washington Post, Reuters, CNN, Associated press etc.

This is sarcasm right?


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The BBC is gold standard for news.

Now I know you are taking the piss.

Big time!  ;D

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Glort. You may find it difficult to find a new service that caters for paranoiacs who skirt around the margins of society carrying a massive chip on their shoulder, bewailing their lack of utter respect from others  whilst constantly talking bollocks. You may also know of a liquid useful for making coffee and tea that's superior to water but the consensus is against you on that too. The BBC is the standard for many reasons the main one for me is no advertising. In some ways you remind me of my brother who didn't speak to me for 9 years because I said to him "I did answer your fuc*ing stupid question I just didn't give you the answer you wanted"  I'm sure you have encountered similar treatment, deservedly so in my opinion.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 06, 2020, 10:57:08 AM
 ::)  Continuing to Watch with Interest:   ::)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 06, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
Glort. You may find it difficult to find a new service that caters for paranoiacs who skirt around the margins of society carrying a massive chip on their shoulder, bewailing their lack of utter respect from others  whilst constantly talking bollocks. You may also know of a liquid useful for making coffee and tea that's superior to water but the consensus is against you on that too. The BBC is the standard for many reasons the main one for me is no advertising. In some ways you remind me of my brother who didn't speak to me for 9 years because I said to him "I did answer your fuc*ing stupid question I just didn't give you the answer you wanted"  I'm sure you have encountered similar treatment, deservedly so in my opinion.

These are trying times Paul.
Perhaps a walk around the yard and some fresh air will make you feel better or go out and give the Lister a fire up.
Playing with our Mechanical toys always makes things less stressful.

Sounds like you patched things up with your Brother which is Good.
My only brother was killed when he was 18. I was 21. Not a day goes by even 30 odd years later when I don't miss him and the nightmares are still all too frequent.
Life is too short for petty squabbles with family whom are irreplaceable.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 06:03:30 PM
Snowman you're quoting a far right conspiracy theory and hate speech site for "news".  If you want to quote news sites how about starting with the NY Times, BBC, Washington Post, Reuters, CNN, Associated press etc. Cross reference a story, if 2 or 3 of the big wire services are carrying a story its likely true. The BBC is gold standard for news.

Explain these BBC resignations.

Resignations - Search for "bbc" (8 Results)
https://www.resignation.info/list?q=bbc (https://www.resignation.info/list?q=bbc)

Resignations - Search for "australia" (436 Results)

https://www.resignation.info/list?q=australia (https://www.resignation.info/list?q=australia)


Resignations - Search for "new zealand " (10 Results)
https://www.resignation.info/list?q=new+zealand+ (https://www.resignation.info/list?q=new+zealand+)


Resignations - Search for "usa" (6968 Results)
https://www.resignation.info/list?q=usa (https://www.resignation.info/list?q=usa)

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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 06:30:56 PM
Must be True the New York Post published this shocking tid bit.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-admin-weighs-legal-action-over-alleged-chinese-hoarding-of-ppe/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-admin-weighs-legal-action-over-alleged-chinese-hoarding-of-ppe/)

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 06:42:48 PM
Here's something to wrap your head around, shrink wrap license.

Shrink Wrap License Law and Legal Definition

A shrink wrap license is an end user agreement, concerning the use of a copyright work, that is enclosed with software in plastic-wrapped packaging.

It includes pre-drafted terms and conditions of sale that consumers are required to agree before unpacking and using the work, usually a software product.

The terms and conditions are usually non-negotiable.

They are generally displayed on a piece of paper than can be read through shrink-wrap packaging. Once the end user opens the packaging, a consumer is deemed by the copyright owner to have agreed to the terms and conditions of use.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 06, 2020, 06:47:51 PM
Oh Yeah!  Just because you showed me yours I'm showing you mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFC5n-KnuA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR38mN6yq5vQQ556Ja3eVNdiM2mwvcqweDR4lBMb9CrHaIEFU_9p58zK8g4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVFC5n-KnuA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR38mN6yq5vQQ556Ja3eVNdiM2mwvcqweDR4lBMb9CrHaIEFU_9p58zK8g4)

Now are you actually going to take the word of thousands, maybe millions of people on Publicly circulated often blood thirsty competitive media all over the world or a half dozen "citizen" reporters on YouTube?

I wonder where they got their video?  (Is that Sarah Palin without makeup.)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
Fortunately someone had the forethought to archive this page before it was scrubbed.

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

https://archive.is/ONUmi (https://archive.is/ONUmi)



Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 06, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
Fortunately someone had the forethought to archive this page before it was scrubbed.

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

https://archive.is/ONUmi (https://archive.is/ONUmi)

Thousands of coronavirus-infected New Yorkers treated with anti-malarial drug

https://www.foxnews.com/health/thousands-of-coronavirus-infected-new-yorkers-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug (https://www.foxnews.com/health/thousands-of-coronavirus-infected-new-yorkers-treated-with-anti-malarial-drug)

Contains quinine.
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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 06, 2020, 09:50:28 PM
Fortunately someone had the forethought to archive this page before it was scrubbed.

Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.

https://archive.is/ONUmi (https://archive.is/ONUmi)

Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story. For more info about the coronavirus, see cdc.gov.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 06, 2020, 10:04:39 PM
Snowman do you know what phrenology is? If not look it up, here's a clue, it's discredited "science" like eugenics . Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus. None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed. Without that it's just a couple of guys that took anti malarial drugs and got better anyway, the drugs did nothing that can be proven. Results have to be reproducible otherwise they are not results.
Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 06, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
Looks like Sarah Palin to me
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 06, 2020, 11:13:56 PM
What Fox news misses our girl Sarah will reveal to us no matter the personal cost (million or multi-million dollar book deals not included).

I once had six beers in the morning and felt much better the next day.  I'm cured.  I'm cured.  I'm cured!  Double blind randomized tests are for whips and little people that lack faith in their ideas. 

We're down to five active cases on the Big Island.  No one has gone to the hospital yet for Covid 19 but there have been three deaths on the other islands.

Boris, it would seem, isn't doing so well.  I hope your medical team gets it turned around. 

You know; I'm not going to Costco today or tomorrow.  Even isolated here on an island it's still pretty scary.  And poor Prince Charles.  Yikes, he's 4 years younger than I am.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 07, 2020, 12:37:49 AM

 Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus.

That statement as well as the sentient behind it, is patently and demonstrably incorrect and ignorant.

MANY drugs have MULTIPLE uses and applications.  In the cited case of Lupus, Have a look at that it is treated with:

https://www.womenshealth.gov/lupus/lupus-diagnosis-and-treatment

One of them is the antimalarial drug you espouse is only for Malaria. Most of the others cited are demonstrated to be used for other things.
On the list, seems few or any of the treatments are actually specificaly for lupus, they are for other conditions and work with lupus as well.


 
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None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed.

How exactly do you expect that to happen in the time frame we have had the China flu sweeping the world? Testing takes time, Time a lot of people don't have.
As for the testing and approval of drugs, yeah.  I have been given shit, and that's' exactly what it was, shit, on multiple occasions for my ailments that fked me up 6 ways to Sunday and only made me worse than I started out.   One of them, had I taken the Correct dose and not 5 Times less than prescribed, WOULD have Killed me no 2 ways about it. Knocked the shit out of me  for days as it was. But it was tested and approved for the condition I had.
And NO, taking less was NOT the problem, taking less means I'm here upsetting you all now.

Believing in drug testing and that this makes them safe and effective is like believing the Main stream Media is truthful and honest.

If I get this china Virus,  I'm Fked. End of story.
Given that is the case from the outset, what's to loose if they do give me something that's not peer reviewed and the drug co hasn't had time to buy off medicos and get and approval pushed through so they can start making Billions out of it? I'll take my chances seeing I have none left anyway and maybe, just maybe, there is something in it that will help. Exactly what would I have to loose? 

Of course if it does pull me through there will be those that predictably carry on about it not being tested  and therefore I must have been going to get better on my own anyway.

In not being tested, it should also be remembered was well as not being proven to work, it's also not proven that it DOESN'T work so it's already in with a 50% chance of helping people.

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Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.

You really should Consider going for a walk and getting some Fresh air Paul.

No one is espousing Quackery of defying common sense or Physics.  All that is being suggested is that one drug may have benefits in treating  other conditions that there has been no time given the speed and severity of the emergency to test thoroughly. 
These are not new Drugs cooked up in a back shed ( although not tested and approved, no one is saying they don't work) they are long used medications that as above ARE used in a multiple treatments like so many other drugs out there.

In any case, what better way or time to test than right now?
At worst, they may do absoloutley Nothing at all but the patient believing they are helping might fight harder and have more motivation to pull Through.

I never underestimate the Human mind and what it can do well beyond explanation.  It can lead people to do things and achieve things there is no scientific explanation for. I have seen that with my own eyes with people that were given no chance but are Living very well now because they were Fked if they were going to die so they Didn't. I am Very good friends with a Young guy just like that.

OTOH, there are people that can believe in all sorts of Fairy tales and Bullshit and believe everything the Media they think is Infallible tells them and doomsday end of world Scenarios which they let totaly control their thoughts and position and turn them in zealots which they cherry pick facts to support there delusion.

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 07, 2020, 01:02:10 AM

We're down to five active cases on the Big Island.  No one has gone to the hospital yet for Covid 19 but there have been three deaths on the other islands.

Official Sources paint a far less rosy picture than you espouse Casey.

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdisease2019/


    Total cases: 387 (16 newly reported)
    Hawai’i County: 23
    Honolulu County: 292
    Kaua’i County: 17
    Maui County: 44
    Pending: 9
    Residents diagnosed outside of Hawai‘i: 2

    Required Hospitalization: 26
    Hawaii deaths: 5
    Released from Isolation: 89
    Cumulative totals as of 12:00pm, April 6, 2020

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 01:36:23 AM
It all ties in to current events.

Liz Crokin Claims Celebrities Are Getting Coronavirus From Tainted ‘Adrenochrome Supply’
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/liz-crokin-claims-celebrities-are-getting-coronavirus-from-tainted-adrenochrome-supply/ (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/liz-crokin-claims-celebrities-are-getting-coronavirus-from-tainted-adrenochrome-supply/)

The harvesting of an adrenal gland from a live victim to obtain adrenochrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenochrome)

Process for preparing adrenochrome  - Patent.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4501923A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/US4501923A/en)

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/25xfjw/why_does_the_vatican_have_a_giant_sculpture_of_an/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/25xfjw/why_does_the_vatican_have_a_giant_sculpture_of_an/)

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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 01:53:41 AM
Just another conspiracy, right in yer face.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/frazzledrip?lang=en (https://twitter.com/hashtag/frazzledrip?lang=en)

The movie Cast Away, remember Wilson
(https://i.postimg.cc/j5VCjt79/wilson.jpg)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 03:59:04 AM
According to this guy, Boris does not make it.

https://twitter.com/ROYALMRBADNEWS/status/1247336860650700800 (https://twitter.com/ROYALMRBADNEWS/status/1247336860650700800)
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 04:13:47 AM
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Title: Re: C-19
Post by: Johndoh on April 07, 2020, 07:57:07 AM

 Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus.

That statement as well as the sentient behind it, is patently and demonstrably incorrect and ignorant.

MANY drugs have MULTIPLE uses and applications.  In the cited case of Lupus, Have a look at that it is treated with:

https://www.womenshealth.gov/lupus/lupus-diagnosis-and-treatment

One of them is the antimalarial drug you espouse is only for Malaria. Most of the others cited are demonstrated to be used for other things.
On the list, seems few or any of the treatments are actually specificaly for lupus, they are for other conditions and work with lupus as well.


 
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None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed.

How exactly do you expect that to happen in the time frame we have had the China flu sweeping the world? Testing takes time, Time a lot of people don't have.
As for the testing and approval of drugs, yeah.  I have been given shit, and that's' exactly what it was, shit, on multiple occasions for my ailments that fked me up 6 ways to Sunday and only made me worse than I started out.   One of them, had I taken the Correct dose and not 5 Times less than prescribed, WOULD have Killed me no 2 ways about it. Knocked the shit out of me  for days as it was. But it was tested and approved for the condition I had.
And NO, taking less was NOT the problem, taking less means I'm here upsetting you all now.

Believing in drug testing and that this makes them safe and effective is like believing the Main stream Media is truthful and honest.

If I get this china Virus,  I'm Fked. End of story.
Given that is the case from the outset, what's to loose if they do give me something that's not peer reviewed and the drug co hasn't had time to buy off medicos and get and approval pushed through so they can start making Billions out of it? I'll take my chances seeing I have none left anyway and maybe, just maybe, there is something in it that will help. Exactly what would I have to loose? 

Of course if it does pull me through there will be those that predictably carry on about it not being tested  and therefore I must have been going to get better on my own anyway.

In not being tested, it should also be remembered was well as not being proven to work, it's also not proven that it DOESN'T work so it's already in with a 50% chance of helping people.

Quote
Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.

You really should Consider going for a walk and getting some Fresh air Paul.

No one is espousing Quackery of defying common sense or Physics.  All that is being suggested is that one drug may have benefits in treating  other conditions that there has been no time given the speed and severity of the emergency to test thoroughly. 
These are not new Drugs cooked up in a back shed ( although not tested and approved, no one is saying they don't work) they are long used medications that as above ARE used in a multiple treatments like so many other drugs out there.

In any case, what better way or time to test than right now?
At worst, they may do absoloutley Nothing at all but the patient believing they are helping might fight harder and have more motivation to pull Through.

I never underestimate the Human mind and what it can do well beyond explanation.  It can lead people to do things and achieve things there is no scientific explanation for. I have seen that with my own eyes with people that were given no chance but are Living very well now because they were Fked if they were going to die so they Didn't. I am Very good friends with a Young guy just like that.

OTOH, there are people that can believe in all sorts of Fairy tales and Bullshit and believe everything the Media they think is Infallible tells them and doomsday end of world Scenarios which they let totaly control their thoughts and position and turn them in zealots which they cherry pick facts to support there delusion.

How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions? Calling people ignorant because they don't follow "the world according to glort" says more than your long winded, badly punctuated and poorly informed diatribes ever could.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 08:52:23 AM

 Anti malaria treatments work on malaria lupus treatments work on lupus.

That statement as well as the sentient behind it, is patently and demonstrably incorrect and ignorant.

MANY drugs have MULTIPLE uses and applications.  In the cited case of Lupus, Have a look at that it is treated with:

https://www.womenshealth.gov/lupus/lupus-diagnosis-and-treatment

One of them is the antimalarial drug you espouse is only for Malaria. Most of the others cited are demonstrated to be used for other things.
On the list, seems few or any of the treatments are actually specificaly for lupus, they are for other conditions and work with lupus as well.


 
Quote
None of these treatments have been clinically tested, blind tested and peer reviewed.

How exactly do you expect that to happen in the time frame we have had the China flu sweeping the world? Testing takes time, Time a lot of people don't have.
As for the testing and approval of drugs, yeah.  I have been given shit, and that's' exactly what it was, shit, on multiple occasions for my ailments that fked me up 6 ways to Sunday and only made me worse than I started out.   One of them, had I taken the Correct dose and not 5 Times less than prescribed, WOULD have Killed me no 2 ways about it. Knocked the shit out of me  for days as it was. But it was tested and approved for the condition I had.
And NO, taking less was NOT the problem, taking less means I'm here upsetting you all now.

Believing in drug testing and that this makes them safe and effective is like believing the Main stream Media is truthful and honest.

If I get this china Virus,  I'm Fked. End of story.
Given that is the case from the outset, what's to loose if they do give me something that's not peer reviewed and the drug co hasn't had time to buy off medicos and get and approval pushed through so they can start making Billions out of it? I'll take my chances seeing I have none left anyway and maybe, just maybe, there is something in it that will help. Exactly what would I have to loose? 

Of course if it does pull me through there will be those that predictably carry on about it not being tested  and therefore I must have been going to get better on my own anyway.

In not being tested, it should also be remembered was well as not being proven to work, it's also not proven that it DOESN'T work so it's already in with a 50% chance of helping people.

Quote
Maybe you also believe in homeopathy? there's "cures" and treatments aplenty for Covid 19 from homeopaths in the UK. I looked into homeopathy once, literature said diluting things 1000 times with water increased their efficacy so I got 999 ml of water and added 1 ml  of Jim Beam whiskey. Turns out I had a litre of water. I tried it 5 times now I had over a gallon of water. Discredited nonsense before my experiment.

You really should Consider going for a walk and getting some Fresh air Paul.

No one is espousing Quackery of defying common sense or Physics.  All that is being suggested is that one drug may have benefits in treating  other conditions that there has been no time given the speed and severity of the emergency to test thoroughly. 
These are not new Drugs cooked up in a back shed ( although not tested and approved, no one is saying they don't work) they are long used medications that as above ARE used in a multiple treatments like so many other drugs out there.

In any case, what better way or time to test than right now?
At worst, they may do absoloutley Nothing at all but the patient believing they are helping might fight harder and have more motivation to pull Through.

I never underestimate the Human mind and what it can do well beyond explanation.  It can lead people to do things and achieve things there is no scientific explanation for. I have seen that with my own eyes with people that were given no chance but are Living very well now because they were Fked if they were going to die so they Didn't. I am Very good friends with a Young guy just like that.

OTOH, there are people that can believe in all sorts of Fairy tales and Bullshit and believe everything the Media they think is Infallible tells them and doomsday end of world Scenarios which they let totaly control their thoughts and position and turn them in zealots which they cherry pick facts to support there delusion.

How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions? Calling people ignorant because they don't follow "the world according to glort" says more than your long winded, badly punctuated and poorly informed diatribes ever could.


LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/ (https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/)

Special Report: Doctors embrace drug touted by Trump for COVID-19, without hard evidence it works

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hydroxychloroq/special-report-doctors-embrace-drug-touted-by-trump-for-covid-19-without-hard-evidence-it-works-idUSKBN21O2VO (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hydroxychloroq/special-report-doctors-embrace-drug-touted-by-trump-for-covid-19-without-hard-evidence-it-works-idUSKBN21O2VO)

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: glort on April 07, 2020, 08:55:43 AM

How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions?

I posted links to confirm exactly what I said with regard to your incorrect assertions about Drugs being treatment specific. I'm sorry if that undermined your assertions but it does not cahnge the fact what you said was demonstrably wrong.

If you want scientific evidence, how about you lead by example and post research that backs up your own opinions?
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: snowman18 on April 07, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
How about you post some scientific research results instead of your opinions? Calling people ignorant because they don't follow "the world according to glort" says more than your long winded, badly punctuated and poorly informed diatribes ever could.

Your head is so far up yer ass, its a wonder you can breath.

An orphan drug is a pharmaceutical agent developed to treat medical conditions which, because they are so rare, would not be profitable to produce without government assistance. The conditions are referred to as orphan diseases.

Ya think C-19 qualifies.
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: mikenash on April 07, 2020, 09:19:37 AM
Is it just me?  Or does anyone else suspect that some of us are enjoying irony while others are failing to identify it?
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: dieselspanner on April 07, 2020, 10:06:42 AM
Dunno Mike, but my bullshite detector is swinging both ways.

If the guys want to waste pixels slinging crap at each other that's fine by me, what I don't understand is how anyone thinks that quoting a a quote that quotes a quote that's so long no one read it in the first instance is going to reinforce a point of view or a conspiracy that most of us couldn't give a bugger about anyway!

I'm sure there's a site or forum somewhere that would be appreciative, until you you find it, lads, carry on on here, I suspect most of the members on here are old and wise enough not to want to waste one of our few remaining fucks on this sort of drivel.......

Cheers
Stef
Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 07, 2020, 06:10:44 PM
Hey glort,

Those numbers are very close to mine.  The page you showed doesn't subtract the out of isolation or "cured" people - about 18 which leaves about 5 active cases on the big island.  No deaths or hospitalization in Hawaii County - each island is a county.  And always throw in the third world math factor.

Oahu is a completely different animal with almost a million people there to our 186,000 and then you throw in their 186 sq miles to our 4,000.  Really different place.

Snowman18,

Do you actually believe all that stuff or are you just teasing us with the stuff Fox News thought was a bit too out there?

Title: Re: C-19
Post by: LowGear on April 07, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
Yes mikenash.  Yes.  And enjoying it.  I find this site and many of the threads to be a nice start to the morning.  And the snowman18 is right up there as far as the enlightenment factor goes.  I may not agree with many of his reveals but I appreciate his faith in his own views. 

Rant on, brothers.