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Title: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: cujet on March 17, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
I have a 6/1 and a 20/2.

What kind of fuel tank setup do you have?

My 6/1 uses the original green tank that is mounted on the head. While it seems big enough (not sure of the capacity) it is rusting badly inside. The 20/2 uses a 6 gallon outboard engine fuel tank and that seems to be a good choice. But the fuel lines are getting stiff.

I'm considering welding up an aluminum tank to mount on the 6/1. One that holds about 5 gallons, so the thing can run all day without stopping. Also would like a large filler opening, so I can get my hand in there and clean it out.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 17, 2020, 08:21:59 PM
Hi cujet,

I used Boyd Welding to build a tank about 7 or 8 years ago. They are located in Ocala, Florida.

It looks like they have the parts you need to build a tank.

It might be worth checking to see if they can build what you need. They might have one in stock to suit your needs.

Henry

https://fueltankparts.com/collections/custom-flanges-parts-adapters

https://fueltankparts.com/collections/universal-tanks?__utma=163955756.2103795900.1584475353.1584475353.1584475353.1&__utmb=163955756.4.9.1584475368397&__utmc=163955756&__utmx=-&__utmz=163955756.1584475353.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=154399032
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: Hugh Conway on March 17, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
I am using a stainless steel beer barrel on one engine, and an original Lister tank for the other.
What I had to work with.
Cheers
Hugh
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 17, 2020, 11:51:06 PM
Hugh, thatís one tough fuel tank. I guess it would have no problem surviving a toss in the back of a pickup or rolling it down a driveway. Great fuel tank.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: Hugh Conway on March 18, 2020, 12:24:32 AM
Maybe I should have kept it in use as a beer keg
Cheers
Hugh
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: xyzer on March 18, 2020, 03:49:32 AM
Portable air tanks work nice with filler welded it.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: old seagull man on March 18, 2020, 05:21:04 AM
An old fire extinguisher, at the moment. still waiting for the genuine tank.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: dieselspanner on March 18, 2020, 09:34:52 AM
Hi All

I've got a 2 gallon fire extinguisher mounted sideways, with a BSA oil tank filler (the neck was cut out of a scrap tank)  in brazed the side - which is now the top! - and a 3/8" BSP socket for the valve beneath it.

I kept the fitting for the fire extinguisher and blanked it off for use as a port for inspection / cleaning.

I've done a neat job and it doesn't look too out of place.

I have an old 'Atco' lawnmower tank, (a horizontal cylindrical one, which looks quite period) with the intention that when the Lister goes into service I'll mount it some where handy on the top of the engine and fit a double banjo to the injector pump. The main tank will run the veg oil, with an easy change over to dino diesel at the end of each run, to aid starting, particularly in the colder months.

Cheers
Stef

Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: veggie on March 18, 2020, 06:20:47 PM
I use an oil reservoir used on hydraulic systems. Available in many sizes.
They are available in many shops and have the fill/drain ports already in place.

>> click picture to enlarge <<
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: cujet on March 18, 2020, 06:51:36 PM
I use an oil reservoir used on hydraulic systems. Available in many sizes.
They are available in many shops and have the fill/drain ports already in place.

>> click picture to enlarge <<

Stunningly nice!!!

I neglected to mention that both units are semi-portable. The 6/1 is on tires, the the 20/2 is on the steel pulleys, used as wheels, that came with the engines.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 18, 2020, 09:40:43 PM
If your not concerned about the tank being certified as a fuel tank this hydraulic tank Northern Tool might be something to consider.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200746889_200746889

At one time I was looking into an air tank from surplus center. Need to weld a fill neck on the tank.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Hoosier-Tank/6-31-Gallon-Mobile-Air-Tank-4-1754.axd

I prefer a metal tank over plastic plastic fuel tanks but some people like plastic tanks.

https://www.tank-depot.com/productdetails.aspx?part=A-SP0006-FUWB

Henry
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 19, 2020, 10:34:29 AM
I use an oil reservoir used on hydraulic systems. Available in many sizes.
They are available in many shops and have the fill/drain ports already in place.

>> click picture to enlarge <<

Very nice setup indeed! With everything going on I missed replying about your setup. My apologies.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 19, 2020, 02:34:39 PM
10 gallon drum. https://www.mcmaster.com/4115t64
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: glort on March 20, 2020, 12:59:32 AM
10 gallon drum.

$70?? WOW!

Here you just go down the industrial areas and you will find any amount of them. I picked up a couple of 200's and a couple of 60L the other day from the back of a car stealership workshop. they had about a dozen. Went in and asked  and the service manager was there and came out and wanted me to take the whole lot!

Couldn't give away enough of the things. Very clean and I got about 2L of engine oil out of each one which was a nice Bonus.


For fuel drums I have used the 25L sq plastic drums that floor cleaner and disinfectant etc come in for restaurants and similar places.

Bore a hole in the cap and push a pipe through mainly but sometimes screw a tap in the bottom bung for gravity feed.
Header tanks of Cars can be good too if you don't need a lot of capacity. Some here off older Fords take about 4L so quite worthwhile for a lot of applications and they are a thick plastic designed for heat and pressure so very robust.

I have also used The petrol tins for lawn mowers and just soldered an outlet at the bottom of them. You can still buy the metal cans here as well as larger 10 and 20L Traditional Jerry cans which are easy to add a tap on as well.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: hwew on March 20, 2020, 01:50:49 AM
Yea, new drums of any type are expensive. I was looking for tanks and drums in the 5-10 gallon range. I used a 55 gallon drum once and it got to be too much to move when full. Not many good drums where I am I never seen 10 gallon drums either.

I do like the idea of Jerry cans. They would make good portable tanks. For Lister engines I would think they would look nice painted Lister green.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: George A on March 22, 2020, 02:07:18 AM
I scavanged a nice, rectangular tank off a larger Briggs and Stratton military engine. It holds about two gallons and even has a fuel gauge on top! I tossed the Indian original........somewhere.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: mikenash on March 22, 2020, 03:14:08 AM
I guess there is a couple of schools of thought

Some folks on here have beautifully-restored CSs and the like, so the ancillaries - tanks, generators, exhausts - tend to be things of beauty as well

Others, like me, and who often have a bit of "agriculture" in their background, see a fuel tank in utilitarian terms:

Where possible, wall mounting - or mounted on a couple of posts - seems ideal:  There are no vibration issues; the mounting-place can be selected for ease of refilling & maintenance; it's easy to mount a larger, low-tech filter anywhere you like etc etc . . .

I built one recently out of a 40-litre air-compressor tank onto the base of which I welded a 50mm BSP socket so that both the stand and the delivery/water-and-sediment trap/water-drain valve structure are just made from off-the-shelf bits of 50mm galv threaded pipe & fittings.  It has an 80mm filler neck so you can reach inside and scratch around or whatever.  The inside's a bit rusty but being full of diesel, it won't rust any further, and the long, 50mm diameter, sediment-trap will pick up any bits . . .

Look at how crude the open-top original CS "stand" units were
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: listeroil on April 05, 2020, 10:47:02 PM
Vegoil tank

(https://listerengine.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10039/normal_vegoil_tank.jpg)

Red diesel tank

(https://listerengine.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10039/normal_red_tank.jpg)
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: frogmobile on May 04, 2020, 08:08:16 AM
I use a 60 L drum sitting next to the cooling tower (44 Gal drum)
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: gadget on June 05, 2020, 05:47:38 AM
If your planning on storing fuel in the tank for extended periods, I would avoid metal. I have read that all metals have a catalyst affect to some extent and can increase the rate of fuel deterioration. I would go plastic or make sure there is a coating over the metal. Sorry, I can't find the reference but something to consider....
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: gusbratz on June 16, 2020, 04:12:51 AM
sounds like bs to me. we got a 1200 gallon steel tank on the backup gen at work they do next to no maintenance on it. it is 50 years old (plant was commissioned in 1968).  I can say in the last 20 years it has not been touched. we don't even add stabilizer to it.  we top it up when it gets down to 600 gallons like once every 8 years.  the inside of your fuel pump is steel, the inside of the injector is steel, the inside of the filter canister is steel, ect ect. plastic sucks.... that ibc tote in the pic is eventually going to crack from the UV rays hitting it. I wouldn't want to dump 250 gallons of $$$$ on the ground and have to clean it up.  just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: What are you guys using for fuel tanks?
Post by: glort on June 16, 2020, 07:25:00 AM
If your planning on storing fuel in the tank for extended periods, I would avoid metal. I have read that all metals have a catalyst affect to some extent and can increase the rate of fuel deterioration.

It's not metal that causes the problems, it's water.
If you have moisture in your fuel tanks, that's what will give you problems. This sounds like a parroted mantra they have in veg oil circles. Many people do not dry their oil ad it is the water that reacts with the metal tanks and causes issues. Of course if you use plastic the water is still there but there is nothing to rust.

The proper solution is to make sure there is no water or condensation in your fuel and if Using veg make sure you dry it before you store it.... or commit it to fuel status in the first place.