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Title: start o matic twin,
Post by: chrismac on March 05, 2020, 05:58:40 PM
This beauty is for sale close to me, whats a lump it looks,

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Chris
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 05, 2020, 06:28:58 PM
Oh, very nice.... I believe that's a JP2 engine, given the enclosed pushrods, 18hp @ 1000rpm rating, and the direct drive on one of the flywheels.

Where is "nearby", if you're not buying yourself? Looks like Wales to me...
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: chrismac on March 05, 2020, 08:06:15 PM
Its in Orkney, not far by ferry!!!

Chris
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 06, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
Its in Orkney, not far by ferry!!!

Orkney! Damn, that's a bit of a logistical nightmare... for me, anyway. Wales would have been so much easier  ;D
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: sinna42 on March 06, 2020, 11:47:21 AM
Now that is rather nice !!
That'll be getting on for weighing 2 tons for sure !
Cheers,
Jim
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: chrismac on March 06, 2020, 11:59:52 AM
Its in Orkney, not far by ferry!!!

Orkney! Damn, that's a bit of a logistical nightmare... for me, anyway. Wales would have been so much easier  ;D

Would the 200 price tag make it more attractive, 
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: chrismac on March 06, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
Now that is rather nice !!
That'll be getting on for weighing 2 tons for sure !
Cheers,
Jim

Interesting to see what happens to it,

Cheers Chris
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 06, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
Would the 200 price tag make it more attractive,

It would be attractive at twice that price! Unfortunately, newly immigrated wife + baby only a couple of months away = no spare cash and, more importantly, no spare time with which to play!
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: sirpedrosa on March 07, 2020, 12:18:04 AM
Hi AdeV

Make a pleasant surprise to your lovely wife. Next March, 8 will be the woman international day. Nothing like that jewel to reinforce your love to her!

Cheers
VP
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: saba on March 10, 2020, 01:40:33 AM
There's a jp3 for sale in holland in better shape,
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1523623520

There for sale regularly but looks there's not really a market. To big and heavy for hobby and to old for use.

Nice sound though
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: glort on March 10, 2020, 12:37:11 PM

I see this here too.  Great big Hulking gensets doing 50 -200KVA and more, regularly in good running condition with low hours going  for less than a 5-10 Kw set. The local Engine society has about a dozen of them. They get calls, come and remove them and they are yours.

There was a genset the same I spotted at the scrapyard the other day. Was a runner but replaced because the company whom owned it had to have a backup no more than 10 years old. The thing had 200 odd hours on it.  I spoke to the guy at the yard and he said I could have it for .10C a KG which was more than they would get as scrap.

I thought about it long and hard. The cost would have been getting it home.would have weighed 2 ton minimum, probably 3+ Guy at the yard said it nearly tipped their forklift getting it off the truck and they have a pretty decent fork.  Then if I did get it home, I could never move it.  I'd have to build a shed around the thing. How Could I fire it Up? The thing would make an intolerable racket no matter what I did that would have the neighbours 3 streets away screaming louder than it was. My father has 10 Acres and I doubt that would be enough distance between ajoining properties if it was enclosed.  What would I use it for? Couldn't even hook it up to back feed my power meters, it would set the wires in the street on fire. If I had a swimming pool I could hook up a bunch of elements  and boil the pool in an hour.

Crying shame to see it go to scrap but.....

One day,  o n e  d a y.....  :'(
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 10, 2020, 06:09:07 PM
If I had a swimming pool I could hook up a bunch of elements  and boil the pool in an hour.

Sounds like you need a) a swimming pool, and b) a bigger one  ;D

One day,  o n e  d a y.....  :'(

I suffer from that problem too!
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: listard-jp2 on March 10, 2020, 07:13:34 PM
There's a jp3 for sale in holland in better shape,
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m1523623520

There for sale regularly but looks there's not really a market. To big and heavy for hobby and to old for use.

Nice sound though

I can go one cylinder better ;D


Here is one on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lister-J-P-4-Diesel-Marine-Diesel-engine/113995344977

It is worth that price for the electric start flywheel alone if the ring gear is any good.


Here is yet another example, this would be a JK4, but with terminal crankcase damage, but an ideal spares donor.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/174215880133
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 11, 2020, 12:26:01 AM

Here is one on ebay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lister-J-P-4-Diesel-Marine-Diesel-engine/113995344977

It is worth that price for the electric start flywheel alone if the ring gear is any good.


Hmm, I struggled to get 500 for mine, which was a runner with working electric start!
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: listard-jp2 on March 11, 2020, 06:22:03 AM
/\ If I remember correctly your JP4 engine had a cobbled together electric start arrangement, with an automotive flywheel taper locked onto the crankshaft, and an automotive starter motor meshing with it via a welded steel framework arrangement.

Whereas this ebay JP4 has the original fitment electric start flywheel.

Currently Marine Power Services will want the thick end of 600 just to fit one of their starter rings to your own flywheel.
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: glort on March 11, 2020, 06:56:21 AM
/\ If I remember correctly your JP4 engine had a cobbled together electric start arrangement, with an automotive flywheel taper locked onto the crankshaft, and an automotive starter motor meshing with it via a welded steel framework arrangement.

Sounds good to me!
Must remember to pick up some starter motors next time i'm in the wrecking yard. I already brought all the flywheels home!

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Currently Marine Power Services will want the thick end of 600 just to fit one of their starter rings to your own flywheel.

And that makes the above arrangement sound even better!
I can Imagine what they would want for a replacement starter whereas if you had a run of the mill automotive one....
Title: Re: start o matic twin,
Post by: AdeV on March 11, 2020, 07:59:25 AM
/\ If I remember correctly your JP4 engine had a cobbled together electric start arrangement, with an automotive flywheel taper locked onto the crankshaft, and an automotive starter motor meshing with it via a welded steel framework arrangement.

Whereas this ebay JP4 has the original fitment electric start flywheel.

Currently Marine Power Services will want the thick end of 600 just to fit one of their starter rings to your own flywheel.

My JP4 had a JK electric flywheel. I'm not sure what the starter was, I presume it was liberated from the same JK that gave up its flywheel. It certainly wasn't lashed together, it looked pretty OEM to be honest.

I think the one you're thinking of is my CS, which has an automotive flywheel bolted to the ST gen head, with a very much lashed together steel frame holding both the generator and the starter.