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Slow Speed Diesel Engines => Red Stone Engines => Topic started by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 06:29:57 PM

Title: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 06:29:57 PM
Hi guys, I really dropped the ball on this one.
Last year I found this website and contacted the company;but due to personal reasons I didn't attempt to purchase anything from them.
http://www.0086up.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=129 (http://www.0086up.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=129)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 06:34:36 PM
Today I went back into my emails and found the pics and messages; I thought I would share in case anyone is interested.
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=b5c723de1e&attid=0.2&permmsgid=msg-f:1610395377747923634&th=16594610569892b2&view=att&disp=safe)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=b5c723de1e&attid=0.3&permmsgid=msg-f:1610395377747923634&th=16594610569892b2&view=att&disp=safe)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 06:38:10 PM
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=b5c723de1e&attid=0.4&permmsgid=msg-f:1610395377747923634&th=16594610569892b2&view=att&disp=safe)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 07:16:30 PM
I also found this ad and apparently the company also makes the more familiar Chinese horizontals as well.
https://sdtamec.en.made-in-china.com/product/hqoxZWJlbXRr/China-JSD1800-JSD1800D-Diesel-Engine.html (https://sdtamec.en.made-in-china.com/product/hqoxZWJlbXRr/China-JSD1800-JSD1800D-Diesel-Engine.html)
Click the product Description tab.

I was quoted US$1,000.00 each FOB Quingdao Port.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: veggie on November 23, 2019, 08:20:09 PM

Yes, they certainly look like redstones to me.

I can only view the picture in your first post. The rest are missing.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 09:09:54 PM
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=b5c723de1e&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r6036391991015820724&th=16e9a18884a13104&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=f_k3c2fknu0)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=b5c723de1e&attid=0.2&permmsgid=msg-a:r6036391991015820724&th=16e9a18884a13104&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=f_k3c2fkot2)
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 09:12:00 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ECr5u9U6CtpE1mm7
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 23, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
I had to get my son to help me reduce the size of the pics.

Moderator, please delete the first 3 (oversize) pics.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/xU3nDub4jMuday146

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nDpFBpKdXZdy9SAZ7
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: vdubnut62 on November 24, 2019, 04:47:32 AM
I thought (oh ow brain pain) that Redstones had only one flywheel, or one small and one large or something?
Never mind I have probably drifted away into an alternate reality or something.
Ron.

PS. Yes I have lost my mind, I went and watched a video and the Redstone does indeed have a pair of flywheel that look to be nicely matched.
  Now if I can just figure where that other brain fart I had came from :o
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: old seagull man on November 24, 2019, 07:59:40 AM
The Mighty Redstone.


These are pictures of one taken "back in the day" 3 or 4 years ago any way.
 So it looks like you have found a supplier.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: LowGear on November 24, 2019, 05:07:23 PM
As I set here looking at the pictures I'm wondering why a Lister CS needs the great big water tank and these seem happy with a couple of gallons.  I'm sure it's in the archives but a simple answer would be so wonderfully easy for me.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: vdubnut62 on November 24, 2019, 10:48:39 PM
Hi Casey, hopper cooled engines Redstone, Changfoids, and just about all the old Antique Hit and Miss engines use evaporation
to cool, the water actually boils in the hopper, so they run at close to 212 degrees. The Lister(oids) circulate coolant like more modern
things cars, farm tractors, trucks and the like.  The only downside to hopper cooling, my opinion only, is that you have to babysit the things. During power outages here when I run The Great Walla Walla Xing Dong, I am up and out every hour or two filling the hopper, and just generally checking on things. It is just not a start it and forget it proposition.
Hope this helps.
Ron
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 25, 2019, 03:07:56 AM
Vdubnut62: please remind me exactly what is The Great Walla Walla Xing Dong?
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: glort on November 25, 2019, 08:47:51 AM

I have seen plates made for these evap engines to circulate coolant through them.  Seen other people put great big Hoppers on the top for more water capacity as well.

It would seem easy to put a pump on a timer to dose the engine with more water as well. You could always over dose them a bit, so what if some water ends up on the floor? I think it would be hard to do much with a float switch with the way they vibrate .
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: mike90045 on November 27, 2019, 04:18:28 AM
i'd think an adapter for a 5 gallon water bottle, inverted - just like on a water cooler.  But maybe the plastic wont like the boiling.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: EdDee on November 27, 2019, 07:27:40 AM
+1 Mike.... An old Ali fire extinguisher would do the trick.....
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Hugh Conway on November 28, 2019, 12:58:09 AM
George Breckenridge (Utterpower) sold the original Redstones in the U.S. Here in Canada they were sold by John Ferguson out of Ontario. They were hopper cooled, but came with an adapter plate to convert them to either pumped water cooling or thermosyphon. Some of the Utterpower site is still functional, but unfortunately the Redstone content is no more.
Here are c couple of links with photos of an adapter plate to replace the hoppers on the Changfa type engines, the Redstone adapter was much the same.
https://www.utterpower.com/diesel.htm
https://www.utterpower.com/changfa.htm
A friend bought a Redstone at the same time I got my Listeroid, we shared shipping costs. His is set up with a plate to allow thermosiphon, seems to work OK.
There were not very many imported by Breckenridge and Ferguson, as production stopped. The last ones to come to North America we reportedly assembled by "volunteers", that may be true, as we stripped one down on arrival and it was full of casting sand, untorqued bolts, and some stripped threads in the castings. After a really good internal cleaning and reassembly it ran (and still runs) well. What a beast though, it is almost unbearably noisy.
If the photos provided by Willw are indeed Redstones, and they are back in production, they are pretty well designed engines and may be worth having if they fit your power requirements.
Jim Calder (justliveoffgrid.com) bought out John Ferguson some years ago, and may still have Redstone parts. He sells Laidong single cylinder horizontals, as well as Listeroids and spare parts.
Cheers
Hugh
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: vdubnut62 on November 28, 2019, 11:22:15 PM
Sorry!  The Great Walla Walla Xing Dong is a hopper cooled Xing Dong S1100 driving an ST12
My avatar is a tiny picture of it.
For some silly reason it just reminded me of the old song about the Witch Doctor( oo EE oo AhAh walla walla ding dong) and I appropriated
and bastardized it :o
Glort, my 1115 has one of the conversion plates.  I plan to plumb it in with a shell and tube heat exchanger.
Ron.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: glort on November 29, 2019, 01:15:50 AM

For some silly reason it just reminded me of the old song about the Witch Doctor( oo EE oo AhAh walla walla ding dong) and I appropriated
and bastardized it :o

I knew that's where it had to come from! That said, I thought that was more an Aussie song. Guess not.

Quote
Glort, my 1115 has one of the conversion plates.  I plan to plumb it in with a shell and tube heat exchanger.
Ron.

Are you planning to use the heat for Co-gen?

I was running my little 3 Cyl inline Kubota yesterday.  I was surprised at the amount of heat coming out of it even after it had been Idling a while.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: Willw on November 30, 2019, 10:52:49 AM
vdubnut62:  8)  :laugh:
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: vdubnut62 on December 02, 2019, 07:06:41 AM
Yes Glort, I plan to plumb the thing in with the woodboiler's storage tank. I figure that if the lights go out, I might as well get all the bang for my buck that I can. Besides, I scored a couple of super cool antique brass and copper shell and tube exchangers, I wouldn't want them to go to waste.

Ron.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: evilpsych on January 01, 2020, 04:29:22 PM
anyone else notice these on ebay? they look a heck of a lot like redstones.. maybe im wrong.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Single-Cylinder-15HP-Horse-Power-Diesel-Powered-Engine-Free-Ship-to-by-Sea/372476302569?hash=item56b95154e9:g:j9AAAOSw-tlby3FG
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: glort on January 02, 2020, 07:02:49 AM

They are just the standard run of the mill Yanmar / Changfa Chinese Knockoffs. Millions of the things in asia.

I downloaded a picture of a place with what must have been several hundred of the things on 2 wheel walking tractors in what must have been a tractor dealer's or wrecking yard. They often come with headlights in the end cowling because they are mounted  with the shaft to the side on these tractors.

I have 4 of those style engines now, an aircooled  3.5 HP that will outpull any other 6 HP I have, a 5.5 Hp and 2x 12 HP versions which are water cooled.  They are very good engines which last well and have a load of favourable attributes. In many ways they are superior to the Lister CS types.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: vdubnut62 on January 05, 2020, 02:40:06 AM
 Not a redstone. Redstones have 2 flywheels.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: old seagull man on January 05, 2020, 03:34:35 AM
A couple of pictures off the Mighty Redstone.
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: glort on January 05, 2020, 10:31:57 AM

They do look like the common Changfa type clones with an extra flywheel.
Was there anything specific about the redstones that gave them the reputation they have ( other than twin lister style flywheels) or are the single  flywheel clones as good?

Anyone know if twin wheel China clone engines are available?
Title: Re: Are these Redstone diesels?
Post by: veggie on January 05, 2020, 03:23:52 PM

They do look like the common Changfa type clones with an extra flywheel.
Was there anything specific about the redstones that gave them the reputation they have ( other than twin lister style flywheels) or are the single  flywheel clones as good?

Anyone know if twin wheel China clone engines are available?

Yes. They are available here...
http://www.0086up.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=129 (http://www.0086up.com/ProductShow.asp?ID=129)

Although I went to other main suppliers of Changfa style engines and could not find them.
JiangDong usually has all the styles http://www.enginejd.com/list_2_60_67.html (http://www.enginejd.com/list_2_60_67.html)
but they do not have the double flywheel.
I wonder if that double wheel unit is a previous generation and just a few plants are left building them?