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Lister Engines => Things I want to Buy => Topic started by: Blueflame on October 08, 2019, 05:09:19 PM

Title: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on October 08, 2019, 05:09:19 PM
Hello all I overheated my 6-1 and used my spare head gasket. I seem to have damaged the fuel nozzle as it squirts a stream now. I also see much less compression probably from a thicker head gasket. I am looking to buy a few nozzles, some head gaskets and an adjustable decompression valve to raise compression for starting. I cant seem to find parts anywhere. Does anyone know how to get parts? Thank you
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: BruceM on October 08, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but no way your low compression is due to a thicker head gasket.  You likely have valve and/or ring damage.  Listening carefully at intake and exhaust should tell you about the valves.

You forgot to mention your location; in the US,  Gary at Diesel Electric Services is a great source for all Lister related parts.  https://diesel-electric.us/

There is also centralmaindiesel.com, who have the Listeroid CS parts.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on October 09, 2019, 02:25:26 PM
Thank you I will try Gary. I do think the valves are ok, broken ring is possible and I didn't check for that. the location is northern Michigan.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on January 15, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
The nozzle I replaced and now it starts easily despite what I thought was too low of compression. I may just seem to be when it wont start. I still need to locate head gasket spares that do not have extra holes between the main 2.  Engine is a powersolutions -jkson 2005 model 6-1. I had a lot of difficulty in getting coolant to circulate as in airlocked but got it eventually and now it transfers heat.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: broncodriver99 on January 15, 2020, 11:00:07 PM
Central Maine Diesel or Jim Calder up in Canada @ just live off grid. They both deal in Listeroids.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Hugh Conway on January 16, 2020, 01:33:15 AM
@Blueflame......
If you do decide to use a compression changeover valve, you must also adjust the bump clearance.
I have a JKSON too. Listeroids without the changeover valve use a different bump clearance, and it makes a big difference.
Wish I had one installed now, it's been -12 for days, Lizzie sits outside, and  is reluctant to start without a bit of heat down her throat. When it gets a bit warmer, no problem.
Cheers
Hugh
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on January 16, 2020, 01:56:41 AM
Thanks for the replies and i did order and get the compression changeover valve however I stopped trying to install it because I thought it would crossthread and put back in the standard plug with a glowplug. I hadnt used the glowplug in years. I sometimes arrive at camp in minus 10 by snowmobile and have to get the 6-1 running. I use a honda 1000 watt for lights and to run grundfos circulators on a wood fired boiler. The engine cooling system is a flatplate heat exchanger connected to this boiler and with another circulator on the engine side I preheat the engine to about 120 degrees so it cranks easy then would just use a hot nail in the intake pipe to start.  I previously tried to reach central Maine but they were moving.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: mike90045 on January 16, 2020, 03:44:10 AM
I've got a fairly newish HATZ diesel and it recommends adding a small amount of gasoline to the diesel to help it light off.

Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: mike90045 on January 16, 2020, 06:45:46 AM
It's in their printed manual, and I think petrol is gasoline, not kerosene or anything else.

Summer fuel = ordinary diesel
Winter fuel = winterized diesel for cold areas, less wax.

Manual was pretty clear, not for wax reduction, but for starting ease

Compression ratio rating is 21.5:1

Seems like a lot of gasoline/petrol for high compression.  It starts a little rougher than my 6/1 when it's frosty outside.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Oiler on January 16, 2020, 07:45:33 AM
Hatz is german and the german word for kerosine is petroleum ;)
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on January 16, 2020, 02:25:46 PM
I think my starting issues are over now with a new nozzle that actually sprays a mist not a stream. I tried everything imaginable to try to start it with the old nozzle and got it to start by heating the nozzle on the injector with a mapp gas torch. Got it very hot over several minutes and then quickly installed it and connected the line and it started. However it ran rough and there was a lot of smoke out the exhaust and at ran out of fuel in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: vdubnut62 on January 22, 2020, 07:23:33 PM
You might want to check you lube oil for fuel dilution,  just sayin. :angel:
Ron.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: mike90045 on January 23, 2020, 07:05:52 AM
You might want to check you lube oil for fuel dilution, 
Ron.

Is there a way to check without sending a sample and $50 to a lab ?
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: dax021 on January 23, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
You might want to check you lube oil for fuel dilution, 
Ron.

Is there a way to check without sending a sample and $50 to a lab ?

Yes, there is.  Not difficult to rub it between your fingers and "feel" the viscosity, i.e., maybe a bit thinner.  Not an exact science, but mechanics have been doing it for a century.  Also won't give you cancer.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: AdeV on January 24, 2020, 06:27:47 PM
You might want to check you lube oil for fuel dilution, 
Ron.

Is there a way to check without sending a sample and $50 to a lab ?

Generally.... does it look like there's more oil in it than you put in it? :) That's often what kills diesels - the fuel accumulates in the sump until the conrod(s) start flinging it about, when that happens it gets into the intake air via the crank breather & before you know it you've got a runaway.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: snowman18 on January 24, 2020, 07:55:15 PM
You might want to check you lube oil for fuel dilution, 
Ron.

Is there a way to check without sending a sample and $50 to a lab ?

I would change the oil.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on January 27, 2020, 02:15:38 PM
Thanks for to tip on oil dilution. I will change it next time im there.
Title: Re: 6-1 parts
Post by: Blueflame on November 20, 2020, 03:24:27 AM
I report the 6-1 is now running reliably without nozzle issues however has low compression and needs the glowplug to start. During the warm up period antifreeze will seep up around the studs on the intake and exhaust side of the head and when fully up to temperature of 200 the seepage stops and the engine runs steady with much less diesel "knock" than previously and with less power and more smoke. I want to find some head and base gaskets before I take it apart to inspect for broken or stuck rings that I do have spares for. I would consider an entire top end of the 5 stud style for spare parts and swap out my old set to fix the problem it seems I have in that the liner protrudes too far off the deck. Being that the engine is so far from home this option would be my preferred plan. I welcome any advice on where to get parts or what to do next.