Lister Engine Forum
Lister Engines => Listeroid Engines => Topic started by: veggie on January 08, 2019, 05:23:46 PM
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If you teach new students this type of manufacturing, you will get more of .... this type of manufacturing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Bd7JczBMU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Bd7JczBMU)
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Very neat video. I wonder when it was filmed?
Men; Go this way in your black tops and Ladies; Go this way in your pink tops. Aside from the interesting cultural difference that's a lot of twins and a boat load of singles. Where in the world are they going? Not to the USA. I wonder if there are any distribution data available?
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Yes, a very cool video. I assume most of those engines were for domestic (Indian) use. Somewhere I read that it's only a small number that get exported. Not sure where I read that but I guess it makes sense.
I remember seeing a video of them casting things right in the "ground". I think they were casting air cooled Petteroid cylinders. If I recall it shows them breaking up scrap iron by hand with sledge hammers (big truck engines and stuff like that). Then it shows them melting and skimming, and pouring into the "ground" with a big two-man ladle. These guys are hard workers.
The company I work for once got a job machining big cast iron parts. The rough castings were from India. I remember someone asking the machinist how it was cutting the iron. He said, "It's not too bad until you hit a file". We weren't sure there were actually files in there but those castings certainly had inclusions. You could see them plain as day in the cut. And, I guess they would ruin the tool on some of them. I always thought of this when looking at my flywheels.
-John (Boston)
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Like cutting into a big old Macrocapa hedgerow tree and hitting a steel fence standard from 40 years ago with the new chain on your Jonsered
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Yes the iron quality is spotty at best. I have run into flywheels that are so hard at the rim that they refuse a carbide end mill.
I wonder when they add the sand to the crankcase????? I didn't notice any laying about in the video ;D
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Actually, somewhere I saw a video of the jib key setting as well. Poor engines. They were positively ramming the keys in. These were smaller engines - maybe petteroids - and each blow of the hammer rocked the engine sideways. I'm surprised they don't crack the crank case.
One of my keys is stuck (can't get it to budge) and after seeing the video I became concerned about stress risers at the square corners of the slot in the flywheel. That's a lot of force on a taper that doesn't even fit to begin with. The key I got out had a shim wrapped around it, painted green so probably a factory "repair". I fitted a new key to that side the best I could. Took a lot of careful filing to get good contact.
On the sand, they probably won't show that. It's a trade secret :)
They only showed a little blip of a load test. I saw a better video of the test - pretty interesting. If I recall they use a water cooled wrap of heavy rope on a drum to apply a load. Looks like they can vary the load and even maybe measure it in terms of pull on the rope.
-John (Boston)
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The sand secret is shown, you just missed it. The same "test run" oil is used over and over, without filtration, in crankcases that were made and "finished" on dirt floors, with no pressure washing of the crankcases after casting. They left out the video of dirt floor, cottage parts manufacturing there in Rajkot and the absence of sand cast parts cleaning. The assembler in the video is pretending to be a manufacturer, but has zero QC of incoming parts.
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and then there is this guy
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Wonder if this guy was one of the students? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B34BmTqWg4
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As if beating a piston into the cylinder with a four pound hammer wasn`t bad enough, this guy decides to change the injector pump element in a field! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAvY_Q70kOw
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I have great sympathy for these poor workers and the conditions they work in. It's a pity that the quality culture of Rajkot was not able to change even with great encouragement and effort by a number of US importers in the pre-ban era. I'm greatful that they are able to continue to make Lister CS parts. I thank my lucky stars I was not born poor in India.
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Wonder if this guy was one of the students? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B34BmTqWg4
All those years I've had a couple of those steel foot-rules in the toolbox & never knew what they were for . . .
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Ok since we seem to be sharing videos.
This is for all my new friends who have just rebuilt a ST5 Generator head, and helped me do mine, or have ever worked on one.
This was my secret guide to rebuilding Mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2SK9xDnXjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2SK9xDnXjc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2SK9xDnXjc)
Remember these are professionals, and "Nobody should try this at home".
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Oh sh1t OSM. I do hope you followed my approach rather than theirs.
Bob
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Hey BruceM, I do hope that you don`t think that I was being disparaging about the two men in the videos, I wasn`t. Poverty is a curse and we should do everything to eradicate it, that said, I have traveled through India and found it to be one of the richest cultures I have seen, despite the poverty of the people.
Education is everything, in these situations, and India is beating the rest of the world with it`s educational standards at present. I am sure that India will become the next industrial power house with standards to rival any country on earth.
I just find it frustrating to watch men doing their best in such rotten circumstances, a bit of plastic sheet, some clean rags, a paintbrush and a pint of diesel in an old plastic bucket would have made their lives so much easier and probably extended the engines lives by a considerable margin.
Bob
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Yes Mate i posted that Just for you.
And Glort, and BruceM and a few others would get a cringe out of it.
I sat there with a die grinder cleaning out the bearing mounting, and fitting SFK bearings, and loctiting then in place.
The video did make me almost cry, check out the diode bridge used, and the bike is just to, i don't know what.
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Irish need not apply.
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another visit to the factory. This time it's the Listeroid CS test area...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYGnEOFSu4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KYGnEOFSu4)
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I've asked it before and I'll ask it again.
Where the devil are all these engines going?
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Yup, that's a big market. Amazing.
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... and in the local market they end up in places like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRh0TQx6OAA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRh0TQx6OAA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hqLPiuFhlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hqLPiuFhlU)
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Actually glort; I didn't see any tracking mechanism that isn't hand wrench dependent.
We are funny animals. One of us sees a backward society/culture while another sees life giving water flowing at a wonderful rate without much noise and most likely without stench or risk of petroleum contamination.
No cooling tanks in veggies links?
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Pretty much as I imagined it. I bought one of these listeroids 15 years ago. I went to use one of the pry points on it with very slight pressure and the pry point snapped off. I immediately sold it. I kind of wish I had kept it now. They seem to have increased in value.
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Big difference between the seal at the top of the bore in the original video and this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKgItD4f6S8 No wonder dysentery is rife.